Week 1 - Packers @ Bears - Soldier Field - September 10th 3:25PM

[Wilson A2000]

1 hour ago, Cubfanintheknow said:

Impossible to guess who to pin this loss on: bad players or bad coaching? They both sucked in equally large parts.

Everyone

[SpongeWorthy]

6 minutes ago, raw said:

And you assume he checked down because he's incapable of the only thing he did well last year, throwing wise? 

You really don't want to know what you are the ultimate guy of

last year he averaged a little over 21 attempts per game, today was by far his career high at 37

so sure he was more willing to go downfield within a very different context of much lower volume

otoh, we're all guessing based on what the broadcast feed showed, maybe the all 22 shows guys just weren't getting open downfield and checking down was the right move

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

8 minutes ago, raw said:

And you assume he checked down because he's incapable of the only thing he did well last year, throwing wise? 

You really don't want to know what you are the ultimate guy of

Yes.  Because he could only do it last year while also taking sacks on more or less every play, and they had to coach that out of him, so this is the overcorrection.

[UMFan83]

1 minute ago, SpongeWorthy said:

last year he averaged a little over 21 attempts per game, today was by far his career high at 37

so sure he was more willing to go downfield within a very different context of much lower volume

otoh, we're all guessing based on what the broadcast feed showed, maybe the all 22 shows guys just weren't getting open downfield and checking down was the right move

 

I'm legitimately not sure which option is worse

[Wilson A2000]

11 minutes ago, raw said:

Better QBs definitely would have chosen to simply throw like 8 of those 14 called screen passes down the field. 

I mean, you can say the issue is they don't trust Fields to throw the ball down the field more (in which case, it's an even bigger indictment on the team that passed on a chance to upgrade him with the #1 pick), but you saying a better QB would have chosen to throw deeper more often is you talking out of your anus, per usual.

Also he had 0 problems throwing the ball down field last year. He had a high ADOT and as I pointed out was pretty accurate from 10-20. And if he is still incapable of processing and making throws down field, again, indictment on an organization by moving on from him and consistently talking him up all camp.

Bears had other needs last draft and maybe they didn’t like Bryce Young. This year’s draft is very QB heavy and if they want to move on from Fields there will be plenty of opportunities.

[UK]

It's possible everyone is right at the same time. It doesn't matter which came 1st or more detrimental, Fields made poor choices and some poor throws, Getsy called a terrible game, and the Oline was trash. None are really going to be successful if any of those are off. Given the lack of talent/coaching, you're likely to see at least 1 of the 3 being bad every week usually more.

It just sucks that the possibility of going into next year wondering if Fields is worth extending or moving on from is very likely.

[jersey cubs fan]

8 minutes ago, raw said:

I mean, yall complained last year he wasn't checking down enough and looking to run and took too many sacks. 

Obviously, we all want a happy medium but Fields stated that this was the gameplan in the tweet I posted. 

Y’all? I don’t remember complaining that he didn’t check down enough. 
 

Fields had an awful game. He was without a doubt the guy I wanted in the draft. Very happy to have him.
Very disappointed with his inability to improve on several issues that have plagued him. Holding ball too long. Turnovers. Check downs. Creating his own sacks. 
It’s year 3 and Fields was bad today, the trend is not his friend. Neither are his coaches or GM. 

 

[raw]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Yes.  Because he could only do it last year while also taking sacks on more or less every play, and they had to coach that out of him, so this is the overcorrection.

Ok. Then who is that on?

And for the record, I'm not absolving Fields of anything. I said he was bad. I said all-22 probably shows guys open down the field. I also said he wasn't good enough last year. But most normal teams help their QBs more than the Bears have the last 3 to 115 years. The OL isn't good enough. The WRs weren't good enough last year. The playcalling wasn't good enough today (it was probably good enough last year). 

Fields may very well be not good. But all I want to know is definitely if it's him or if it's everything around him. Jordan Love probably still isn't any good (made 1 completion in tight coverage), but GB, knowing his WRs are young and maybe not that great, surrounded him with a great OL. Granted, the OL was already there when he took over, but we still don't know if our GM knows how to GM, our coaches know how to coach, so obviously we aren't going to know if our QB knows how to QB. 

[jersey cubs fan]

2 minutes ago, UK said:

 

It just sucks that the possibility of going into next year wondering if Fields is worth extending or moving on from is very likely.

I think the clarity on this question will be obvious. 

[raw]

3 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Y’all? I don’t remember complaining that he didn’t check down enough. 
 

Fields had an awful game. He was without a doubt the guy I wanted in the draft. Very happy to have him.
Very disappointed with his inability to improve on several issues that have plagued him. Holding ball too long. Turnovers. Check downs. Creating his own sacks. 
It’s year 3 and Fields was bad today, the trend is not his friend. Neither are his coaches or GM. 

 

Yes, which is exactly what I'm saying.

*Yall was just a general thing, not you specifically.

[Brian707]

All summer I thought of worst case scenarios for week 1 and what happened today exceeded that.

 

Eburflus and Poles can horsefeathers off after this season. I want no part of them getting to select a QB. If they didn't believe Fields was the guy why did they trade the #1?.  Maybe  they felt this class was underwhelming? Either way this team wasn't prepared to go today and some of it is lack of talent. 

Above all I blame the ****** ownership that has plagued this franchise for decades. It will never change 

 

[UK]

1 minute ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I think the clarity on this question will be obvious. 

Depends if this was the floor or not. I think he'll play better than today but I can see myself wanting to move on if they're bad enough to be in play for Maye and especially Williams.

[minnesotacubsfan]

19 minutes ago, raw said:

And you assume he checked down because he's incapable of the only thing he did well last year, throwing wise? 

You really don't want to know what you are the ultimate guy of

It was puzzling, as well as Fields threw downfield last year that he somehow excelled at the check down today

[raw]

7 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I think the clarity on this question will be obvious. 

Agree with this. It will be obvious. What won't be is if Poles is capable of finding the guy that is, if Fields isn't and if Flus and co. are capable of coaching the guy that is. 

Fields not making it, undoubtedly, will lead to another: Pace, Nagy, Trubisky or Emery, Trestman, Cutler or Angelo, Lovie, Grossman, or Hatley, Jauron, McNown. 

[SpongeWorthy]

Just now, UK said:

Depends if this was the floor or not. I think he'll play better than today but I can see myself wanting to move on if they're bad enough to be in play for Maye and especially Williams.

i promise you if we're that bad you'll be fine moving on

i think the real bummer is if we're that bad, if we had a real organizational brand that wasn't a joke especially as it pertains to offensive football, we would somehow screw up selling the next hot young offensive mind the opportunity to work with one of the top 2024 QBs

[jts1207]

Flus and co were out coached. We hired a dinasaur.

[UK]

12 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

All summer I thought of worst case scenarios for week 1 and what happened today exceeded that.

 

Eburflus and Poles can horsefeathers off after this season. I want no part of them getting to select a QB. If they didn't believe Fields was the guy why did they trade the #1?.  Maybe  they felt this class was underwhelming? Either way this team wasn't prepared to go today and some of it is lack of talent. 

Above all I blame the ****** ownership that has plagued this franchise for decades. It will never change 

 

Poles will get his chance with a QB. I do like Warren, I hope he can help bring an end to FO futility.

I've seen enough with Eberflus, I know they still lack talent but they seem completely unready to play.

I will say that if this teams continues to suck like today, I'd want Poles fired even though it won't happen. We've seen enough passive moves from him to generate an accurate description of his flawed approach.

 

 

 

Edited September 11, 2023 by UK

[UK]

4 minutes ago, SpongeWorthy said:

i promise you if we're that bad you'll be fine moving on

i think the real bummer is if we're that bad, if we had a real organizational brand that wasn't a joke especially as it pertains to offensive football, we would somehow screw up selling the next hot young offensive mind the opportunity to work with one of the top 2024 QBs

I didn't feel that way last year with the #1 overall pick. This year should hopefully eliminate the "what ifs" even though the Oline sucks and Getsy was/is possibly terrible.

[raw]

2 minutes ago, UK said:

Poles will get his chance with a QB. I do like Warren, I hope he can help bring an end to FO futility.

I've seen enough with Eberflus, I know they still lack talent but they seem completely unready to play.

I will say that if this teams continues to suck like today, I'd want Poles even though it won't happen. We've seen enough passive moves from him to generate an accurate description of his flawed approach.

 

 

 

Off the top of my head, the only other game they looked completely unready and unenthusiastic to play was the Detroit game late in the year. And that was deep into full-on tank mode. There's plenty of reasons to have issues with Flus, getting the team ready shouldn't be one of them. 

[Derwood]

Don't worry guys. In a couple of years when they fire Eberflus they'll just bring in Matt Ruhle to save the team

[Sosa21MVP]

Pain. Nothing but pain.

[UMFan83]

28 minutes ago, SpongeWorthy said:

i promise you if we're that bad you'll be fine moving on

i think the real bummer is if we're that bad, if we had a real organizational brand that wasn't a joke especially as it pertains to offensive football, we would somehow screw up selling the next hot young offensive mind the opportunity to work with one of the top 2024 QBs

If I’m a highly prized QB and the Bears are in the position to take me I’d tell my agent to send out signals that I won’t play for Chicago. Irrational or not it’s a QB graveyard. Doesn’t matter the FO or coaching staff you’ll be a bust if you end up in Chicago. Actually if im a highly prized QB and the Bears are zeroing in on me, I might start to doubt my own worth as a QB. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

21 minutes ago, raw said:

Off the top of my head, the only other game they looked completely unready and unenthusiastic to play was the Detroit game late in the year. And that was deep into full-on tank mode. There's plenty of reasons to have issues with Flus, getting the team ready shouldn't be one of them. 

they had all of training camp and 3 preseason games to get ready and were completely owned. That is 100% Eberflus

 

 

[Outshined_One]

There are two depressing possibilities and one horrifically depressing possibility.

It may be possible that Fields is a talented QB and this coaching staff is trash in terms of unlocking that potential and utilizing his talent to the best of his abilities.

It may also be possible that Fields is fool's gold who can't be trusted to make reads and place the ball with any accuracy more than five yard downfield, and the coaching staff is doing everything they can to gameplan away from those flaws.

Worst of all, both options could be true.

[Old Style]

Fields wasn’t great today but the play calling was atrocious. And don’t get me started on the lack of pressure on Love. Did we blitz at all or just keep rushing 4 hoping eventually they’ll pressure the QB on their own?