Whole lotto suckin’ (Blackhawks 2023 offseason)

[17 Seconds]

the hockey world is pretty mad about this, which is understandable 

[Tim]

Just now, 17 Seconds said:

the hockey world is pretty mad about this, which is understandable 

The TV gaffe made it worse, which is awesome.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 minute ago, Tim said:

You said 10 years. There's nobody in the next couple drafts at Bedard's level, So in 10+ years after McDavid, he's the best prospect. 

But I also said I'm ok with there being none sometimes.

There's some room for dissent, but the majority of experts seem to think he's not as good of a prospect as McDavid or Crosby was.   If he's being put into the same group as them, we might as well plan to subdivide it into Supergenerational and regular generational because we will need something to differentiate the levels.

 

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm struggling to come up with a comp for Bedard.   I've seen some people say smaller Crosby, but I kind of like describing him as a SuperKane.

He's got possibly the best wrist shot on the planet right now, let alone projecting it as he gets stronger 

His skating is not quite McDavid but in a world where McDavid didn't exist you'd call it elite.  He's got every bit as much agility as a young Kane, with more top-end speed.

He's also Kane's size and just as disinterested in the defensive zone and backchecking as a young Kane was.  He's going to need linemates who can go to the boards and retrieve pucks for him.  But the best defense in hockey is still taking the puck and skating it down to the other end of the ice 180 feet away from your net.

If league scoring stays high and he gets decent linemates, it would be completely unsurprising to see him putting up 120 points seasons in a few years 

 

[WrigleyField 22]

19 minutes ago, Tim said:

The #2 pick in this draft is a guy who very likely would have gone #1 pretty easily in the past few drafts. But there's no doubt that Bedard has clear separation over him as the #1 pick. He's had 100 goals - goals, not points - in his 83 games played this year. I won't say "generational", but he's really, really good.

Would have gone #1 at that time? Not a 2023 to 2021/22 comp. But like would have gone #1 as a 15/16 year old in 2021/22?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just now, WrigleyField 22 said:

Would have gone #1 at that time? Not a 2023 to 2021/22 comp. But like would have gone #1 as a 15/16 year old in 2021/22?

Possibly.  The 2022 draft sucked 

[WrigleyField 22]

2 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Possibly.  The 2022 draft sucked 

Well caveat then *assuming nuetral draft strength*

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 minute ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Well caveat then *assuming nuetral draft strength*

Neutral draft strength?  Probably not quite then.  But he'd be a no. 1 pick at this age in neutral draft strength 

[Tim]

15 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Would have gone #1 at that time? Not a 2023 to 2021/22 comp. But like would have gone #1 as a 15/16 year old in 2021/22?

I was meaning that Fantilli's prospect status now would have qualified him as the #1 pick in previous years. Not that he would have gone #1 as a 15/16 year old.

[UMFan83]

29 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

the hockey world is pretty mad about this, which is understandable 

Yeah, horsefeathers em.  I get where they are coming from, and I still have difficulties reconciling the Kyle Beach situation with my fandom of the club so I can understand the anger from fans of other teams that already disliked the Blackhawks and think they should have had this 1st round pick taken away from them.  If the roles were reversed I'd probably be bitching about it too.

But horsefeathers, the 4 Chicago teams that I root for have combined for 2 playoff wins in the last 6 years, one of them in a 4-1 series defeat in a series they were only in because of an unprecedented global pandemic, and the other in another 4-1 series defeat.  I'm going to enjoy the heck out of something good actually happening to one of my teams.  Do they deserve it? Probably not, but I don't care lol.

[WrigleyField 22]

17 minutes ago, Tim said:

I was meaning that Fantilli's prospect status now would have qualified him as the #1 pick in previous years. Not that he would have gone #1 as a 15/16 year old.

Yea that's what I mean. In any sport the "generational" tag needs to be reserved at least for guys who would have been easy #1s the year before they actually came out / were eligible. Caveats with really strong/weak drafts being beside the point. 

If it's just a guy who's an easy #1 in his draft year  then he's a bona-fide/consensus #1 or something, but not a "generational prospect".

 

Probably arbitrary, but that's how I've been likenining it with cross sports references. Like so far out ahead of the field theat everyone saw it/would have capitalized on it for like 24 straight months. 

[Tim]

2 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Yea that's what I mean. In any sport the "generational" tag needs to be reserved at least for guys who would have been easy #1s the year before they actually came out / were eligible. Caveats with really strong/weak drafts being beside the point. 

If it's just a guy who's an easy #1 in his draft year  then he's a bona-fide/consensus #1 or something, but not a "generational prospect".

 

Probably arbitrary, but that's how I've been likenining it with cross sports references. Like so far out ahead of the field theat everyone saw it/would have capitalized on it for like 24 straight months. 

Right. And my point is that Bedard has been that far ahead of Fantilli, who is himself worthy of #1 pick status most years. 

[Derwood]

Leave it to NSBB to turn a thread about the draft lottery into a semantic argument over the definition of "generational"

[WrigleyField 22]

9 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Leave it to NSBB to turn a thread about the draft lottery into a semantic argument over the definition of "generational"

It's called protecting the brand

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm stunned the B'Hawks won the 1st pick,, but whatever. Bring on Bredard!

 

 

[jersey cubs fan]

12 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Leave it to NSBB to turn a thread about the draft lottery into a semantic argument over the definition of "generational"

The thread is about the Blackhawks off-season, technically 

[bukie]

It's nice for the Blackhawks to be relevant nationally for a good thing for a change in contrast to the last 5 years.

[minnesotacubsfan]

petition to change thread title from "lotto suckin'" to "Lotto WINNIN'" or some such lingo

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, Derwood said:

Leave it to NSBB to turn a thread about the draft lottery into a semantic argument over the definition of "generational"

I'm not sorry.  I can learn to live with BPA and I'll even keep my mouth shut on "ceiling" and "floor."

But once sports fans are done doing to "generational" what they did to "elite," we're gonna be running out of words.  It's part of how language evolves but I still hate it.

[WrigleyField 22]

If we let them ruin generational it will really put into question my "#1 Dad" mug. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

6 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

If we let them ruin generational it will really put into question my "#1 Dad" mug. 

It's probably not consensus.

[WrigleyField 22]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

It's probably not consensus.

It's a consensus of at least 3 and #4 will weigh in soon 

[17 Seconds]

the biggest difference between Kane and bedard is probably the shot. like kyle said, bedard has one of the best wrist shots in the planet already (and that has come from the mouths of current nhl stars). kane's shot was always pretty mediocre. 

[17 Seconds]

kane heartbreaker celebration and everything

 

 

[UMFan83]

As a Chicago fan, the coolest thing about this is that it moves the Blackhawks into the fold of teams I have some excitement for.  Previously I didn't expect to be excited to watch them for at least another 2-3 years.  Now, while I still expect the Hawks to be bad next year, I will at least have some enjoyment watching them as soon as next fall. Bedard is literally the only person the Blackhawks could have gotten to move them up that timeline.  

The Bulls are now the only team that I have no excitement about.

1. Bears

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4. Bulls

Edited May 9, 2023 by UMFan83