Week 17 out of 18 - Giants @ Bears, Noon

[UMFan83]

If we beat Minnesota next week are we still 3rd or is there a scenario that we are 2nd? Wondering if we are getting the 2nd or 3rd place schedule.

 

Do they use the same tiebreakers as the ones they use for the playoffs?

 

If so they’d have the same record, same H2H, same division record, same common games record, same conference record so it would come down to strength of victory which the Vikings are leading (current SOV for Minnesota is .436 Bears SOV is .354)

 

Breaking it out even more, the Viking wins have a combined record of 13 games under .500, Bears wins have a combined record of 32 games under .500. Maybe possible for the Bears to catch up there but seems unlikely

[WrigleyField 22]

Wow this is kind of cool.

 

[itisallpartoftheplan]

If we beat Minnesota next week are we still 3rd or is there a scenario that we are 2nd? Wondering if we are getting the 2nd or 3rd place schedule.

 

Do they use the same tiebreakers as the ones they use for the playoffs?

 

If so they’d have the same record, same H2H, same division record, same common games record, same conference record so it would come down to strength of victory which the Vikings are leading (current SOV for Minnesota is .436 Bears SOV is .354)

 

Breaking it out even more, the Viking wins have a combined record of 13 games under .500, Bears wins have a combined record of 32 games under .500. Maybe possible for the Bears to catch up there but seems unlikely

 

You’d think it’d be the same. Thanks for the mini research, hopefully the Bears are safe from 2nd!!

 

Edit: I went to the playoff machine on espn and put all the teams they beat with losses and all the teams we beat with wins in week 17 and it still shows us 3rd.

[Soul]

If we beat Minnesota next week are we still 3rd or is there a scenario that we are 2nd? Wondering if we are getting the 2nd or 3rd place schedule.

 

Do they use the same tiebreakers as the ones they use for the playoffs?

 

If so they’d have the same record, same H2H, same division record, same common games record, same conference record so it would come down to strength of victory which the Vikings are leading (current SOV for Minnesota is .436 Bears SOV is .354)

 

Breaking it out even more, the Viking wins have a combined record of 13 games under .500, Bears wins have a combined record of 32 games under .500. Maybe possible for the Bears to catch up there but seems unlikely

 

You’d think it’d be the same. Thanks for the mini research, hopefully the Bears are safe from 2nd!!

 

Edit: I went to the playoff machine on espn and put all the teams they beat with losses and all the teams we beat with wins in week 17 and it still shows us 3rd.

Funny they use the same mechanism to determine which crappy team will “win” the right to get clobbered the following season.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Wow this is kind of cool.

 

What's cool about Eddie Jak refusing to tackle?

[raw]

Wow this is kind of cool.

 

What's cool about Eddie Jak refusing to tackle?

 

That is actually really cool. Fun fact: Eddie Jackson has missed ONE (1) tackle since Week 8 (I know he missed games as well).

[raw]

If we beat Minnesota next week are we still 3rd or is there a scenario that we are 2nd? Wondering if we are getting the 2nd or 3rd place schedule.

 

Do they use the same tiebreakers as the ones they use for the playoffs?

 

If so they’d have the same record, same H2H, same division record, same common games record, same conference record so it would come down to strength of victory which the Vikings are leading (current SOV for Minnesota is .436 Bears SOV is .354)

 

Breaking it out even more, the Viking wins have a combined record of 13 games under .500, Bears wins have a combined record of 32 games under .500. Maybe possible for the Bears to catch up there but seems unlikely

 

This is correct. Bears will finish 3rd in the division, regardless of result.

 

Difference will be playing @ Falcons, home vs. 49ers and Texans instead of @ Saints and home vs. Indianapolis and Arizona. On paper, that's a huge difference especially when you factor in the difference of playing in Atlanta vs. NO's home field advantage.

[WrigleyField 22]

Wow this is kind of cool.

 

What's cool about Eddie Jak refusing to tackle?

Let's Quinn get home for the record breaking sack.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Wow this is kind of cool.

 

What's cool about Eddie Jak refusing to tackle?

Let's Quinn get home for the record breaking sack.

I know, I was just taking a cheap shot at EJax for past indiscretions

[jumbo]

I predict both Nagy and Pace are gone next Monday

[Soul]

I predict both Nagy and Pace are gone next Monday

 

Seldom has a mere week seemed like such a long time.

[Tryptamine]

The nightmare scenario where the Bears win the final 3 games and they bring back Nagy for finishing strong is still alive and I hate that I'd almost be surprised if it didn't happen.

[gflore34]

The nightmare scenario where the Bears win the final 3 games and they bring back Nagy for finishing strong is still alive and I hate that I'd almost be surprised if it didn't happen.

 

Isn't it sad that's a real possibility?

[jersey cubs fan]

The nightmare scenario where the Bears win the final 3 games and they bring back Nagy for finishing strong is still alive and I hate that I'd almost be surprised if it didn't happen.

 

Isn't it sad that's a real possibility?

I do not think it is a real possibility. The only possible chance is if Fields has a HOF performance. I said going into the season I thought there wasn't a playoffs or you're fired situation here. What they needed to do was make the offense look capable. Losing games 34-29 wasn't going to doom them, necessarily. But the offense has been crap all season, including in that game yesterday that was won by Glennon's incompetence. If they hang a 50-burger on the Vikings and Fields throws for 300+ yards, runs for a bunch with no turnovers, I could see a situation where George looks at the progress as justification to allow Nagy one more season. But his contract is up after next season, and if he hasn't already signed a cheap extension in secret, they aren't going to bring him back in a lame duck situation.

 

The only other scenario is if they do hire a guy like Trace Armstrong as the big boss, and he decides to take a year to evaluate things, and chooses not to fire his client right away. That would be a strange choice.

[UMFan83]

There's a 99.9% chance that there is a thread title named "Guess what an idiot with a visor did this time" a week from today.

[WrigleyField 22]

The nightmare scenario where the Bears win the final 3 games and they bring back Nagy for finishing strong is still alive and I hate that I'd almost be surprised if it didn't happen.

 

Isn't it sad that's a real possibility?

I do not think it is a real possibility. The only possible chance is if Fields has a HOF performance. I said going into the season I thought there wasn't a playoffs or you're fired situation here. What they needed to do was make the offense look capable. Losing games 34-29 wasn't going to doom them, necessarily. But the offense has been crap all season, including in that game yesterday that was won by Glennon's incompetence. If they hang a 50-burger on the Vikings and Fields throws for 300+ yards, runs for a bunch with no turnovers, I could see a situation where George looks at the progress as justification to allow Nagy one more season. But his contract is up after next season, and if he hasn't already signed a cheap extension in secret, they aren't going to bring him back in a lame duck situation.

 

The only other scenario is if they do hire a guy like Trace Armstrong as the big boss, and he decides to take a year to evaluate things, and chooses not to fire his client right away. That would be a strange choice.

I think this post is on the money.

 

Pace is another story. He may well stick around. Feels like a toss up at this point.

[CubinNY]

The nightmare scenario where the Bears win the final 3 games and they bring back Nagy for finishing strong is still alive and I hate that I'd almost be surprised if it didn't happen.

 

Isn't it sad that's a real possibility?

I don't think it's a real possibility.

[Soul]

 

Isn't it sad that's a real possibility?

I do not think it is a real possibility. The only possible chance is if Fields has a HOF performance. I said going into the season I thought there wasn't a playoffs or you're fired situation here. What they needed to do was make the offense look capable. Losing games 34-29 wasn't going to doom them, necessarily. But the offense has been crap all season, including in that game yesterday that was won by Glennon's incompetence. If they hang a 50-burger on the Vikings and Fields throws for 300+ yards, runs for a bunch with no turnovers, I could see a situation where George looks at the progress as justification to allow Nagy one more season. But his contract is up after next season, and if he hasn't already signed a cheap extension in secret, they aren't going to bring him back in a lame duck situation.

 

The only other scenario is if they do hire a guy like Trace Armstrong as the big boss, and he decides to take a year to evaluate things, and chooses not to fire his client right away. That would be a strange choice.

I think this post is on the money.

 

Pace is another story. He may well stick around. Feels like a toss up at this point.

 

I'll be just as upset if they keep Pace.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Pace is another story. He may well stick around. Feels like a toss up at this point.

 

I'll be just as upset if they keep Pace.

I want a clean sweep. But I can't share that sentiment. Nagy is such a larger issue to me than Pace. If the keep Pace I'll groan, roll my eyes and then see what he does.

 

Nagy stays, I riot.

[Tim]

 

Pace is another story. He may well stick around. Feels like a toss up at this point.

 

I'll be just as upset if they keep Pace.

I want a clean sweep. But I can't share that sentiment. Nagy is such a larger issue to me than Pace. If the keep Pace I'll groan, roll my eyes and then see what he does.

 

Nagy stays, I riot.

How many games were there this year when you felt the Bears had a talent advantage over the opponent? Yesterday and...Detroit?

 

How many times did you feel they were at a talent disadvantage?

[raw]

 

I'll be just as upset if they keep Pace.

I want a clean sweep. But I can't share that sentiment. Nagy is such a larger issue to me than Pace. If the keep Pace I'll groan, roll my eyes and then see what he does.

 

Nagy stays, I riot.

How many games were there this year when you felt the Bears had a talent advantage over the opponent? Yesterday and...Detroit?

 

How many times did you feel they were at a talent disadvantage?

 

This yeah was about as standard as they come for the Bears, as far as W/L goes. Basically, their record was pretty predictable on paper.

 

Clearly better teams- GBx 2, Tampa, Arizona, LA Rams all losses, all by double digits

Clearly worse teams- Detroit x 2, NYG all wins, all by double digits except the one on short rest with the backup QB starting

They beat a really good Cincy team before they became a really good team. And they lost against a really good Cleveland team before they became a mediocre team.

Other than that, Raiders, Steelers, Ravens (with backup QB), Vikings and Seahawks they went 2-3 against the teams that are similar levels of mediocre as they are, and the games for the most part were really close. Probably beat the Vikings and their backup QB to go to a perfectly mediocre 3-3 against mediocre competition.

 

I believe the Bears are the same 8-8 team they have been the previous 2 years, but they just had a tougher schedule.

[SpongeWorthy]

what are the chances we keep quinn around now?

[WrigleyField 22]

I want a clean sweep. But I can't share that sentiment. Nagy is such a larger issue to me than Pace. If the keep Pace I'll groan, roll my eyes and then see what he does.

 

Nagy stays, I riot.

How many games were there this year when you felt the Bears had a talent advantage over the opponent? Yesterday and...Detroit?

 

How many times did you feel they were at a talent disadvantage?

 

This yeah was about as standard as they come for the Bears, as far as W/L goes. Basically, their record was pretty predictable on paper.

 

Clearly better teams- GBx 2, Tampa, Arizona, LA Rams all losses, all by double digits

Clearly worse teams- Detroit x 2, NYG all wins, all by double digits except the one on short rest with the backup QB starting

They beat a really good Cincy team before they became a really good team. And they lost against a really good Cleveland team before they became a mediocre team.

Other than that, Raiders, Steelers, Ravens (with backup QB), Vikings and Seahawks they went 2-3 against the teams that are similar levels of mediocre as they are, and the games for the most part were really close. Probably beat the Vikings and their backup QB to go to a perfectly mediocre 3-3 against mediocre competition.

 

I believe the Bears are the same 8-8 team they have been the previous 2 years, but they just had a tougher schedule.

Yea I agree. They've been roughly a mid-range talent team since like 2017, with mostly schedule variance explaining the rest. Pace has built average teams. He hasn't done so particularly efficiently either. But he's not like totally lost either.

 

Nagy is just bad. Hasn't put together a single impressive offense in 4 years. Team constantly is under prepared and ill disciplined too. Only thing he does well is "culture".

[minnesotacubsfan]

what are the chances we keep quinn around now?

I can't see how they can let him go. I love to see what difference he and Mack can do when they are both healthy. Doesn't he have one more year? Or will it just be the franchise tag?

[WrigleyField 22]

what are the chances we keep quinn around now?

I can't see how they can let him go. I love to see what difference he and Mack can do when they are both healthy. Doesn't he have one more year? Or will it just be the franchise tag?

He's signed through 2024, but all the guarantees are paid out.

 

I could see him traded, especially if there's a clean FO sweep.