Week 17 out of 18 - Giants @ Bears, Noon

[minnesotacubsfan]

what are the chances we keep quinn around now?

I can't see how they can let him go. I love to see what difference he and Mack can do when they are both healthy. Doesn't he have one more year? Or will it just be the franchise tag?

He's signed through 2024, but all the guarantees are paid out.

 

I could see him traded, especially if there's a clean FO sweep.

I didn't realize he has that much left on his contract. But how often are worthwhile trades made? What could you get for him, a 3rd and a average DE? Why not just keep him at least through 2022 and worry about filling the other talentless positions rather then creating another hole?

[Soul]

I can't see how they can let him go. I love to see what difference he and Mack can do when they are both healthy. Doesn't he have one more year? Or will it just be the franchise tag?

He's signed through 2024, but all the guarantees are paid out.

 

I could see him traded, especially if there's a clean FO sweep.

I didn't realize he has that much left on his contract. But how often are worthwhile trades made? What could you get for him, a 3rd and a average DE? Why not just keep him at least through 2022 and worry about filling the other talentless positions rather then creating another hole?

 

Just my humble opinion, but it's a bad look for a one of the new FO's first moves to trade their best pass rusher, a franchise-record pass rusher. I'd be shocked and dismayed. Shocked and dismayed I say!

 

Seriously though, if they did I'd want to know their plan to put pressure on QBs. I feel like there's not a good answer.

[jersey cubs fan]

He's signed through 2024, but all the guarantees are paid out.

 

I could see him traded, especially if there's a clean FO sweep.

I didn't realize he has that much left on his contract. But how often are worthwhile trades made? What could you get for him, a 3rd and a average DE? Why not just keep him at least through 2022 and worry about filling the other talentless positions rather then creating another hole?

 

Just my humble opinion, but it's a bad look for a one of the new FO's first moves to trade their best pass rusher, a franchise-record pass rusher. I'd be shocked and dismayed. Shocked and dismayed I say!

 

Seriously though, if they did I'd want to know their plan to put pressure on QBs. I feel like there's not a good answer.

Presumably, the plan would be to support the offense as much as possible, without too much concern over wins and losses early in the new regime's run. They probably wouldn't mind losing a ton in 2022, if they get Fields right and score points. Then you fix your defense with the 2023 draft.

[Bertz]

Feels like trading Quinn would be a good litmus test for how progressive our (hopefully new) FO is? Everything except Quinn's sack number paints a picture of more of a good season than a great one. Selling high on what is likely an inflated sack total for a guy over 30 is probably the savvy play?

[raw]

He's signed through 2024, but all the guarantees are paid out.

 

I could see him traded, especially if there's a clean FO sweep.

I didn't realize he has that much left on his contract. But how often are worthwhile trades made? What could you get for him, a 3rd and a average DE? Why not just keep him at least through 2022 and worry about filling the other talentless positions rather then creating another hole?

 

Just my humble opinion, but it's a bad look for a one of the new FO's first moves to trade their best pass rusher, a franchise-record pass rusher. I'd be shocked and dismayed. Shocked and dismayed I say!

 

Seriously though, if they did I'd want to know their plan to put pressure on QBs. I feel like there's not a good answer.

 

The next regime is going to have to make a decision at edge rusher either way. If they keep Mack and Quinn at their current cap hits (combined about 47Mil) then that's going to make it difficult to build a team. Like has been mentioned, Quinn can be cut after 2022 pretty cleanly. But there's a big decision on Mack as well. His cap hit is 30M next year. If the Bears pay him 30M toward the cap, that says to me they are trying to get that big number off the books, and he'd also be gone after 2022. If they think he can retire as a Bear and still be productive for a few more years, then they probably should restructure and save a bunch of money in 2022. Could be looking at both gone after 2022 if no restructures. And if the plan is for both to be gone after 2022, then there's really no reason to pay them 47Mil toward the cap next year for a team that isn't going to be a championship contender.

 

Gipson has played pretty well in a starter's role for most of the season. So, I have no hesitation to go forward with him at one edge. I'd probably look to trade Quinn. Even if you get a 3rd and 5th for him (Calais Campbell, Yannick Ngakoue trades from 2020), the cap savings (4.2M before June 1, 12M after) would be worth it in the long-term.

[jumbo]

Feels like trading Quinn would be a good litmus test for how progressive our (hopefully new) FO is? Everything except Quinn's sack number paints a picture of more of a good season than a great one. Selling high on what is likely an inflated sack total for a guy over 30 is probably the savvy play?

 

I agree it would be the savvy play to acquire draft capital and shed declining, high priced veterans. They would have to be in a tank or semi-tank mode due to the dead money hit to the salary cap. Essentially any bonuses for 2022 and beyond would hit the 2022 cap all at once, so if he got a $30 signing bonus on a $70 deal, then it would cost $18 in cap space for 2022 to trade him, lowering what you can spend on the rest of the roster.

 

You can only cut/trade so many expensive vets doing that before you have to fill out the roster with flotsam to field a team. They can, of course, restucture other guys to make more space back, but then you are kind of stuck in this cycle. Lots of teams do that every year (Saints are famous for it) but it can catch up to you at the wrong time and basically put you in cap hell.

 

If the team determines that they can get a good enough pick and have enough cap space I think they should do it, but it would have to make sense with the whole offseason strategy. For example, last offseason RRH signed with Jacksonville and was going to get the Bears a comp pick, but then by signing Dalton that cancelled the pick. So if you're going to trade guys like Quinn for draft capital, don't sign big money FA's unless you don't mind them cancelling out ARob's comp pick, which will likely be a 3rd rounder.

 

So much to determine about the next regime (I still think Pace is gone)

[UMFan83]

 

Bears listed as one of the two teams. He's called Chicago his NFL dream job before. I have to say I like him a lot more at Michigan than in Chicago.

[Soul]

 

Bears listed as one of the two teams. He's called Chicago his NFL dream job before. I have to say I like him a lot more at Michigan than in Chicago.

 

I'd be pretty upset with that hire. I can't imagine a less progressive move, digging into Bears history for a former player from a bygone era.

[UMFan83]

 

Bears listed as one of the two teams. He's called Chicago his NFL dream job before. I have to say I like him a lot more at Michigan than in Chicago.

 

I'd be pretty upset with that hire. I can't imagine a less progressive move, digging into Bears history for a former player from a bygone era.

 

Definitely not a fan. I think he's a floor raiser as a coach...possibly an immediate floor raiser. But I think he has to have a strong dedicated OC to run a good offense. Developing Fields is the most important thing for this org, and I'm not sure after watching Jim at Michigan for 7 years, he's the guy to get the most out of him. So he'd have to hire a great OC/QB coach and let him run wild. I know he's had success with QBs like Luck in the past, but his offensive numbers with the 49ers were rather pedestrian.

[jersey cubs fan]

acknowledging all the downside, I really wouldn't mind it, and think he could put together a quality staff given his ties to both college and NFL teams. The league has already run through all of the hot young prospects.

[raw]

 

Bears listed as one of the two teams. He's called Chicago his NFL dream job before. I have to say I like him a lot more at Michigan than in Chicago.

 

I'd be pretty upset with that hire. I can't imagine a less progressive move, digging into Bears history for a former player from a bygone era.

 

Definitely not a fan. I think he's a floor raiser as a coach...possibly an immediate floor raiser. But I think he has to have a strong dedicated OC to run a good offense. Developing Fields is the most important thing for this org, and I'm not sure after watching Jim at Michigan for 7 years, he's the guy to get the most out of him. So he'd have to hire a great OC/QB coach and let him run wild. I know he's had success with QBs like Luck in the past, but his offensive numbers with the 49ers were rather pedestrian.

 

Exactly. Mediocre offense at SF. Hasn't developed any of his handpicked QBs at Michigan. And his passing offenses have routinely finished in the 60s in FBS, despite the ability to recruit at a top 20 level. I agree with the floor raising. It's very possible Harbaugh could come in and win 10 games per season consistently. Harbaugh can probably keep bringing in defense and linemen to make his offense and defense do just enough to win a bunch of games. He may even win a ring. But I don't want 10-win seasons and maybe a ring, as weird as that sounds. I want GB, NE, PIT, IND 2000s success. I want a team that is a credible contender every year because it has a top 5-10 QB in the game and a strong overall roster and system to support him. I want the Steelers 18 straight years without a losing season. I want the only thing our rival can say about the Bears is that they only got 1 ring in 8 NFCC appearances with elite QB play. I don't want a guy who's shown his best case is about the same thing that Lovie Smith did.

[Soul]

 

I'd be pretty upset with that hire. I can't imagine a less progressive move, digging into Bears history for a former player from a bygone era.

 

Definitely not a fan. I think he's a floor raiser as a coach...possibly an immediate floor raiser. But I think he has to have a strong dedicated OC to run a good offense. Developing Fields is the most important thing for this org, and I'm not sure after watching Jim at Michigan for 7 years, he's the guy to get the most out of him. So he'd have to hire a great OC/QB coach and let him run wild. I know he's had success with QBs like Luck in the past, but his offensive numbers with the 49ers were rather pedestrian.

 

Exactly. Mediocre offense at SF. Hasn't developed any of his handpicked QBs at Michigan. And his passing offenses have routinely finished in the 60s in FBS, despite the ability to recruit at a top 20 level. I agree with the floor raising. It's very possible Harbaugh could come in and win 10 games per season consistently. Harbaugh can probably keep bringing in defense and linemen to make his offense and defense do just enough to win a bunch of games. He may even win a ring. But I don't want 10-win seasons and maybe a ring, as weird as that sounds. I want GB, NE, PIT, IND 2000s success. I want a team that is a credible contender every year because it has a top 5-10 QB in the game and a strong overall roster and system to support him. I want the Steelers 18 straight years without a losing season. I want the only thing our rival can say about the Bears is that they only got 1 ring in 8 NFCC appearances with elite QB play. I don't want a guy who's shown his best case is about the same thing that Lovie Smith did.

 

I think we can be friends.

[Derwood]

I read today some speculation that Harbaugh has wanted out for the past several years, but there hasn't been a good opportunity for him. Vegas and Chicago are much better opportunities than anything the past few years.

 

Feels like Michigan is screwed either way: either they lose their coach mid-recruiting season (and see a pile of guys enter the portal or pull their commitments) OR they overpay to keep him and they're back to 8-4 mediocrity for the next 5 years

[WrigleyField 22]

I read today some speculation that Harbaugh has wanted out for the past several years, but there hasn't been a good opportunity for him. Vegas and Chicago are much better opportunities than anything the past few years.

 

Feels like Michigan is screwed either way: either they lose their coach mid-recruiting season (and see a pile of guys enter the portal or pull their commitments) OR they overpay to keep him and they're back to 8-4 mediocrity for the next 5 years

The overpay to keep him will probably be cheap in a few years through.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Bears listed as one of the two teams. He's called Chicago his NFL dream job before. I have to say I like him a lot more at Michigan than in Chicago.

 

I'd be pretty upset with that hire. I can't imagine a less progressive move, digging into Bears history for a former player from a bygone era.

 

Definitely not a fan. I think he's a floor raiser as a coach...possibly an immediate floor raiser. But I think he has to have a strong dedicated OC to run a good offense. Developing Fields is the most important thing for this org, and I'm not sure after watching Jim at Michigan for 7 years, he's the guy to get the most out of him. So he'd have to hire a great OC/QB coach and let him run wild. I know he's had success with QBs like Luck in the past, but his offensive numbers with the 49ers were rather pedestrian.

Harbaugh/Brady/Fangio. Let's go.

 

Actually Brady should probably the top OC candidate no matter who is HC, unless they get someone with ties to Shanahan/McVay tree.

[UMFan83]

I read today some speculation that Harbaugh has wanted out for the past several years, but there hasn't been a good opportunity for him. Vegas and Chicago are much better opportunities than anything the past few years.

 

Feels like Michigan is screwed either way: either they lose their coach mid-recruiting season (and see a pile of guys enter the portal or pull their commitments) OR they overpay to keep him and they're back to 8-4 mediocrity for the next 5 years

 

Certainly his value was dipping pretty low the last couple of years. Given the forced pay cut that had to be humbling and his resurgence this season leading Michigan to the CFP (and sobering beatdown that exposed Michigan as still not where they need to be to compete for championships) it seems like a perfect storm for him to go back to the NFL. He's said all the right things about the pay cut and the desire to stay at Michigan forever, but that of course doesn't mean what he's said is true.

 

Also as the defacto Michigan fan here, I have to point out that Harbaugh has done better than 8-4 in 5 of his 6 full seasons at Michigan. His UM resume certainly has its warts but I also think the perception of his performance is lower than it actually has been, likely due to the inability to consistently beat rivals.

 

10-3

10-3

8-5

10-3

9-4

12-2

[WrigleyField 22]

 

I'd be pretty upset with that hire. I can't imagine a less progressive move, digging into Bears history for a former player from a bygone era.

 

Definitely not a fan. I think he's a floor raiser as a coach...possibly an immediate floor raiser. But I think he has to have a strong dedicated OC to run a good offense. Developing Fields is the most important thing for this org, and I'm not sure after watching Jim at Michigan for 7 years, he's the guy to get the most out of him. So he'd have to hire a great OC/QB coach and let him run wild. I know he's had success with QBs like Luck in the past, but his offensive numbers with the 49ers were rather pedestrian.

 

Exactly. Mediocre offense at SF. Hasn't developed any of his handpicked QBs at Michigan. And his passing offenses have routinely finished in the 60s in FBS, despite the ability to recruit at a top 20 level. I agree with the floor raising. It's very possible Harbaugh could come in and win 10 games per season consistently. Harbaugh can probably keep bringing in defense and linemen to make his offense and defense do just enough to win a bunch of games. He may even win a ring. But I don't want 10-win seasons and maybe a ring, as weird as that sounds. I want GB, NE, PIT, IND 2000s success. I want a team that is a credible contender every year because it has a top 5-10 QB in the game and a strong overall roster and system to support him. I want the Steelers 18 straight years without a losing season. I want the only thing our rival can say about the Bears is that they only got 1 ring in 8 NFCC appearances with elite QB play. I don't want a guy who's shown his best case is about the same thing that Lovie Smith did.

In the vain of just poaching all the top orgs:

GM: Kahn (Pitt). He's more a contract guy not a scout so need a great VP of Player Personnel

Asst GM/ Player Personnel: Elliot Wolf (GB, NE)

Head Coach: Greg Roman (Balt)

 

President: Someone from an org who's recently done a bad ass new stadium recently

 

Let's go.

[UMFan83]

[raw]

 

Doesn't say as GM......how well can he handle a push broom?

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Doesn't say as GM......how well can he handle a push broom?

He prolly leg-chained himself to Michaels desk

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Doesn't say as GM......how well can he handle a push broom?

He prolly leg-chained himself to Michaels desk

Why does Michael still have a desk.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Doesn't say as GM......how well can he handle a push broom?

He prolly leg-chained himself to Michaels desk

Why does Michael still have a desk.

 

Michael, Ed, George, they are all the same people really. Soon there will be Ryan McCaskey and he will look suspiciously like Ryan Pace

[WrigleyField 22]

He prolly leg-chained himself to Michaels desk

Why does Michael still have a desk.

 

Michael, Ed, George, they are all the same people really. Soon there will be Ryan McCaskey and he will look suspiciously like Ryan Pace

Ryan Pace being elevated to co-owner after eloping with Ginny.

[raw]

Why does Michael still have a desk.

 

Michael, Ed, George, they are all the same people really. Soon there will be Ryan McCaskey and he will look suspiciously like Ryan Pace

Ryan Pace being elevated to co-owner after eloping with Ginny.

 

I mean, that's the kind of progressive thinking I want leading this organization.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I hadn't even contemplated the "marry in" scenario, I was more thinking they'd adopt poor Ryan.

 

My mind is blown and I want to cry