Trade Deadline Thread (non-Cubs)

[champaignchris]

I almost have to start rooting for the Giants to win that division simply because an all-or-nothing Dodgers/Padres wild card game will be absolutely IN-SANE!

[soccer10k]

 

OMG

 

must be nice

 

I guess this is kind of what we did when our rebuild started to blossom. The problem is we ended up with guys like Heyward and Quintana and Chatman/Davis rentals instead of Machado, Darvish and Scherzer.

 

Kind of cherry picking there. Pads also ended up with Eric Hosmer and Blake Snell (5.44 ERA this year). Cubs also signed Lester, Zobrist and brought back Fowler. If we’re just looking at on field performance, lumping in Chapman/Davis with Heyward (and to a lesser extent, Quintana) isn’t fair to those two reliever. And even Heyward, hindsight is 20-20. Was there a Cubs fan who wasn’t excited about bringing in a dude who was 26, put up 12.4 WAR over the prior 2 years and averaged 5 WAR over his first 6 years? Maybe you balk a bit at the length/total money but nobody thought Heyward to horsefeathers the bed the way he did offensively.

[UMFan83]

 

OMG

 

must be nice

 

I guess this is kind of what we did when our rebuild started to blossom. The problem is we ended up with guys like Heyward and Quintana and Chatman/Davis rentals instead of Machado, Darvish and Scherzer.

 

Kind of cherry picking there. Pads also ended up with Eric Hosmer and Blake Snell (5.44 ERA this year). Cubs also signed Lester, Zobrist and brought back Fowler. If we’re just looking at on field performance, lumping in Chapman/Davis with Heyward (and to a lesser extent, Quintana) isn’t fair to those two reliever. And even Heyward, hindsight is 20-20. Was there a Cubs fan who wasn’t excited about bringing in a dude who was 26, put up 12.4 WAR over the prior 2 years and averaged 5 WAR over his first 6 years? Maybe you balk a bit at the length/total money but nobody thought Heyward to horsefeathers the bed the way he did offensively.

 

I was totally cherry picking. I thought that's what we do here, make ourselves feel more miserable about the Cubs (except for Tom)

[toonsterwu]

The Cubs made the right moves (non-developmental portion ... that's a whole different bag) ... and often times, it just didn't work out. I mean, almost all their major moves have been reasonable. The Heyward signing - made sense (it's sort of sad to think that the Heyward signing might end up being the downfall of this core in some respects, with the contract hanging over things, but it doesn't change the fact that at the time, it made sense, and when they got Fowler back, it was the cherry on top). Darvish was considered a mild discount, IIRC. I disliked the Quintana trade because of who we gave up, but the value was fine and I understood it, considering Quintana's performance and contract.

 

About the only major trade you could possibly quibble on value would be the Aroldis and Gleyber trade, but okay, they thought the addition of Aroldis was the difference to winning a title, and hey we won a title. That doesn't necessarily justify moves, but you live with it when you get a title instead of running through hypothetical scenarios.

 

Sometimes moves just don't work out. As fun as the Padres moves have been, unless they get Scherzer on the cheap (which there fans seem to think, I have my doubts that the Nationals gave him up without getting a top shelf prospect), they've really torn down the system for this one run.

[toonsterwu]

 

OMG

 

It's interesting that the Padres fans seem to think that they got him without giving up a top level prospect. Dunno, seen enough random comments. I'm very curious - it's hard to imagine that Scherzer didn't get some top shelf offers, so unless he specifically wanted to force his way to San Diego (no indication of that, sounds like he was open to a contender), I have to think that the Nationals got something quality. Is it Abrams/Gore/Hassell quality (to be clear, not all three, just mean did they get one as a headliner), or a notch below? Have to wait and see I guess.

[Tim]

The Cubs made the right moves (non-developmental portion ... that's a whole different bag) ... and often times, it just didn't work out. I mean, almost all their major moves have been reasonable. The Heyward signing - made sense (it's sort of sad to think that the Heyward signing might end up being the downfall of this core in some respects, with the contract hanging over things, but it doesn't change the fact that at the time, it made sense, and when they got Fowler back, it was the cherry on top). Darvish was considered a mild discount, IIRC. I disliked the Quintana trade because of who we gave up, but the value was fine and I understood it, considering Quintana's performance and contract.

 

About the only major trade you could possibly quibble on value would be the Aroldis and Gleyber trade, but okay, they thought the addition of Aroldis was the difference to winning a title, and hey we won a title. That doesn't necessarily justify moves, but you live with it when you get a title instead of running through hypothetical scenarios.

 

Sometimes moves just don't work out. As fun as the Padres moves have been, unless they get Scherzer on the cheap (which there fans seem to think, I have my doubts that the Nationals gave him up without getting a top shelf prospect), they've really torn down the system for this one run.

If the only change that you make the past is Addison Russell: 1) not being a reprobate horsefeathers and 2) reaching close to his assumed ceiling of Barry Larkin...I'd bet the Cubs make it to at least 1-2 more World Series and we feel completely different about the past five years.

[toonsterwu]

I could believe that. That was a stunning fall, but boy, the value of that deal was fantastic. What was it, Samardzija and Hammel for Russell, McKinney, and Straily? Getting an elite prospect was so difficult, and they got one.

 

What league is Russell in now? I know he came back from the KBO but I never followed what happened next.

[cl smooth]

I could believe that. That was a stunning fall, but boy, the value of that deal was fantastic. What was it, Samardzija and Hammel for Russell, McKinney, and Straily? Getting an elite prospect was so difficult, and they got one.

 

What league is Russell in now? I know he came back from the KBO but I never followed what happened next.

 

mexican leagues, i think.

[Proven Veteran]

I could believe that. That was a stunning fall, but boy, the value of that deal was fantastic. What was it, Samardzija and Hammel for Russell, McKinney, and Straily? Getting an elite prospect was so difficult, and they got one.

 

What league is Russell in now? I know he came back from the KBO but I never followed what happened next.

 

mexican leagues, i think.

 

Yep. He had a solid season, for whatever that's worth.

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[Gmoney23]

The Cubs made the right moves (non-developmental portion ... that's a whole different bag) ... and often times, it just didn't work out. I mean, almost all their major moves have been reasonable. The Heyward signing - made sense (it's sort of sad to think that the Heyward signing might end up being the downfall of this core in some respects, with the contract hanging over things, but it doesn't change the fact that at the time, it made sense, and when they got Fowler back, it was the cherry on top). Darvish was considered a mild discount, IIRC. I disliked the Quintana trade because of who we gave up, but the value was fine and I understood it, considering Quintana's performance and contract.

 

About the only major trade you could possibly quibble on value would be the Aroldis and Gleyber trade, but okay, they thought the addition of Aroldis was the difference to winning a title, and hey we won a title. That doesn't necessarily justify moves, but you live with it when you get a title instead of running through hypothetical scenarios.

 

Sometimes moves just don't work out. As fun as the Padres moves have been, unless they get Scherzer on the cheap (which there fans seem to think, I have my doubts that the Nationals gave him up without getting a top shelf prospect), they've really torn down the system for this one run.

 

I dont remember the exact details but if I remember right Theo preferred Verlander (PTR just didnt want to pay the remaining contract for Verlander).

 

The kick in the nuts is not only does Verlander potentially give the Cubs enough to get into another World Series. He reportedly wasnt going to cost them much in prospects. Couldve kept Eloy or moved him for another good piece.

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[UMFan83]

 

While the Cubs are trading away their generational stars….

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While the Cubs are trading away their generational stars….

 

generational is a stretch imo, especially for rizzo

[minnesotacubsfan]

They won a WS. There's been, what, 10 generations prior who couldn't?

[UMFan83]

 

While the Cubs are trading away their generational stars….

 

generational is a stretch imo, especially for rizzo

 

Not commenting on his abilities just that he’s a star and is synonymous with this generation of Cubs

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damn

 

[CubinNY]

Holy shitzke

[Rob]

 

I imagine Scherzer is just waiting to see what options he will have to choose from and then picking his team.

[Derwood]

It's pretty cool that the Dodgers have the highest payroll AND awesome prospects

[Rob]

Also, it goes without saying, but LAD sniping the Padres for Scherzer would be great for us. They’ll feel pressure to match the move. So will the Giants.

[Bertz]

It's happening

 

[toonsterwu]

I have a hard time believing that it's just Ruiz as a top prospect going to the Nationals. With all this jostling and Trea Turner put in, I'm curious how big a deal this is. I had been mildly wondering if the Padres would go all-in and go after Trea (a very Preller thing to do).

 

Scary thing is, the guy they have after Ruiz, Cartaya, might be a better catching prospect, and he'll probably be in AA next year.

 

Edit: As an aside, it's the right time for the Nationals to make this move. You want to put your best foot forward, for lack of a better term, when Juan Soto is about to hit FA (2025), so they've got a year or two to really build back up. I have to think they are getting an arm as well - maybe not Gray, though.

Edited July 30, 2021 by toonsterwu

[minnesotacubsfan]

It's terrifying to think that WS could prove to be better at this the Hoyer and out prospect us

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