NFL Draft starts tonight

[Derwood]

Also, Fields is way better than Trubisky

[We Got The Whole 9]

watching the Packers say "f-you Aaron, you have enough weapons) and drafting a CB might be the second-best thing to happen tonight

 

NFL Network had some crazy stat about there being only one first-round pick that Rodgers has ever completed a TD pass to. The Packers front office has refused to draft him a receiver his entire career.

 

The best case scenario would have been the Packers trading Rodgers to the 49ers and then using that #3 pick on Chase [emoji38]

They did draft him a couple of 2nd round WR that became pro-bowlers with Rodgers help and he also inherited another stud 2nd rounder in Jennings.

 

In 2008 when they took Nelson, he was the 3rd WR off the board as there were none taken in the 1st. He developed into easily the best of the three and only DeSean Jackson taken later in the round has an argument vs him in the entire class.

 

In 2014 they could have traded up for OBJ or even Cooks. But it was a super deep class and they waited till the 2nd and landed a future All-Pro in Adams.

 

Poor Aaron has never lacked weapons.

[UMFan83]

watching the Packers say "f-you Aaron, you have enough weapons) and drafting a CB might be the second-best thing to happen tonight

 

27 consecutive years of elite QB play....I really hope they enter the QB wasteland very soon. I know they have their QB of the future but he's more likely to suck than not.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

*googles Justin Fields scouting reports*

 

*sees that his weakness is pre-snap reads and he's often been given one-read plays to let his athleticism do the work.*

 

*sighs*

 

I've read several defenses of that and I've actually seen a scouting report that listed pre-snap reads as a strength of his ...you never know until he gets on the field. I am certainly a little concerned that if this is an issue, I definitely don't trust the Bears to coach it out of him.

 

But I was genuinely surprised they didnt pick Jones when I found out the Bears traded up since he seems to be the opposite. Lacks things that Fields is good at but the consensus seems to be that he is really good at reading the field and going through progressions. After the Mitch disaster I figured they'd go for a safe pick.

 

I'm personally happy they took Fields, definitely the higher ceiling and more explosive playmaking ability. But there have been many QBs that have all the tools and then struggle to pick up the mental side of the game. Defenses are going to be faster, schemes are likely going to be more complex.

 

FWIW Watson's scouting report listed weaknesses with "Field Vision" and "reading progressions". Dak Prescott's were "can be confused with complex defensive schemes" and "makes poor decisions". Josh Allen also had the "makes poor decisions" label. Not quite the same as pre-snap reads but in a similar category of the mental side of QBing.

 

We'll see

 

Herbert had the same “issue” coming out. And not everyone agrees that he’s a one read QB (read the whole article - it’s great and drops a comp to a bigger Russell Wilson):

 

PFF[/url]"] The belief that Fields is a “one-read quarterback” is inherently false. Over the last two years, no one in this draft class produced a higher grade after moving past their first read than Fields. However, his processing speed is a tick slow, as noted in the PFF 2021 NFL Draft guide. This showed up against the blitzes and coverage rotations Indiana threw his way this past year as well as in the College Football Playoff Semifinal against Clemson back in 2019.

 

Fields' 3.08-second average time to throw against the blitz since 2019 was the longest in the entire FBS. And while this isn’t ideal at the next level, it isn’t an inherent trait; it’s something that can be developed and improved on. Fields’ mechanics are also a bit worrisome to some and are likely a reason for his slide, but this far down the board? Absolutely not. He should have been the third overall pick, and there was even an argument to be made that he should have been the second overall pick. To take that a step further, just a year ago we were debating his potential to challenge Trevor Lawrence for the top spot.

[Andy]

I swear I'm not pandering, but if Carolina wasn't going to take the shot at Fields (they really seem to like Jaycee Horn and I'm guessing they were concerned if they traded down they'd lose him), I'm glad he's in Chicago. That franchise really needed a jolt of excitement.

[squally1313]

watching the Packers say "f-you Aaron, you have enough weapons) and drafting a CB might be the second-best thing to happen tonight

 

NFL Network had some crazy stat about there being only one first-round pick that Rodgers has ever completed a TD pass to. The Packers front office has refused to draft him a receiver his entire career.

 

The best case scenario would have been the Packers trading Rodgers to the 49ers and then using that #3 pick on Chase [emoji38]

They did draft him a couple of 2nd round WR that became pro-bowlers with Rodgers help and he also inherited another stud 2nd rounder in Jennings.

 

In 2008 when they took Nelson, he was the 3rd WR off the board as there were none taken in the 1st. He developed into easily the best of the three and only DeSean Jackson taken later in the round has an argument vs him in the entire class.

 

In 2014 they could have traded up for OBJ or even Cooks. But it was a super deep class and they waited till the 2nd and landed a future All-Pro in Adams.

 

Poor Aaron has never lacked weapons.

 

I think I saw in the last 10 years the Packers have drafted one offensive player in the first round....Jordan Love.

[UMFan83]

*googles Justin Fields scouting reports*

 

*sees that his weakness is pre-snap reads and he's often been given one-read plays to let his athleticism do the work.*

 

*sighs*

 

I've read several defenses of that and I've actually seen a scouting report that listed pre-snap reads as a strength of his ...you never know until he gets on the field. I am certainly a little concerned that if this is an issue, I definitely don't trust the Bears to coach it out of him.

 

But I was genuinely surprised they didnt pick Jones when I found out the Bears traded up since he seems to be the opposite. Lacks things that Fields is good at but the consensus seems to be that he is really good at reading the field and going through progressions. After the Mitch disaster I figured they'd go for a safe pick.

 

I'm personally happy they took Fields, definitely the higher ceiling and more explosive playmaking ability. But there have been many QBs that have all the tools and then struggle to pick up the mental side of the game. Defenses are going to be faster, schemes are likely going to be more complex.

 

FWIW Watson's scouting report listed weaknesses with "Field Vision" and "reading progressions". Dak Prescott's were "can be confused with complex defensive schemes" and "makes poor decisions". Josh Allen also had the "makes poor decisions" label. Not quite the same as pre-snap reads but in a similar category of the mental side of QBing.

 

We'll see

 

Herbert had the same “issue” coming out. And not everyone agrees that he’s a one read QB (read the whole article - it’s great and drops a comp to a bigger Russell Wilson):

 

PFF[/url]"] The belief that Fields is a “one-read quarterback” is inherently false. Over the last two years, no one in this draft class produced a higher grade after moving past their first read than Fields. However, his processing speed is a tick slow, as noted in the PFF 2021 NFL Draft guide. This showed up against the blitzes and coverage rotations Indiana threw his way this past year as well as in the College Football Playoff Semifinal against Clemson back in 2019.

 

Fields' 3.08-second average time to throw against the blitz since 2019 was the longest in the entire FBS. And while this isn’t ideal at the next level, it isn’t an inherent trait; it’s something that can be developed and improved on. Fields’ mechanics are also a bit worrisome to some and are likely a reason for his slide, but this far down the board? Absolutely not. He should have been the third overall pick, and there was even an argument to be made that he should have been the second overall pick. To take that a step further, just a year ago we were debating his potential to challenge Trevor Lawrence for the top spot.

 

I'm definitely going to read an article that has a headline of "The Chicago Bears pulled off one of the biggest steals in the modern draft era by trading up for QB Justin Fields"

[UMFan83]

Another interesting thought I had about the Bears fortunes. Maybe they find a trade partner besides the Giants and still get Fields, but for the Giants to trade that pick they had to have Philly trade up with Dallas of all teams to take Devonta Smith, who everyone widely believed the Giants were going to take. Maybe if Philly doesn't get Smith they are willing to trade their pick to the Bears, or maybe Dallas is willing to trade 10 to the Bears if Philly wasn't trying to move up. But its still interesting the chain of events that led to the Giants pick being available.

 

I honestly think the Pats were after Mac Jones all along and would have taken him even if Fields was on the board, so I'm not sure if there were any legit threats between 11-15 that would have taken Fields, but I guess its possible a team like the Saints would have traded up if he dropped much farther than 11.

[WrigleyField 22]

Another interesting thought I had about the Bears fortunes. Maybe they find a trade partner besides the Giants and still get Fields, but for the Giants to trade that pick they had to have Philly trade up with Dallas of all teams to take Devonta Smith, who everyone widely believed the Giants were going to take. Maybe if Philly doesn't get Smith they are willing to trade their pick to the Bears, or maybe Dallas is willing to trade 10 to the Bears if Philly wasn't trying to move up. But its still interesting the chain of events that led to the Giants pick being available.

 

I honestly think the Pats were after Mac Jones all along and would have taken him even if Fields was on the board, so I'm not sure if there were any legit threats between 11-15 that would have taken Fields, but I guess its possible a team like the Saints would have traded up if he dropped much farther than 11.

Yea, i have zero interest in counterfactuals where the Bears could have just waited for their guy. There was a clear difference in Fields to any other QB remaining. This isn't a Trubisky replay where they were agressive with blinders. Yes of course Fields may still flame out. But that's a risk with every QB.

[Soul]

 

NFL Network had some crazy stat about there being only one first-round pick that Rodgers has ever completed a TD pass to. The Packers front office has refused to draft him a receiver his entire career.

 

The best case scenario would have been the Packers trading Rodgers to the 49ers and then using that #3 pick on Chase [emoji38]

They did draft him a couple of 2nd round WR that became pro-bowlers with Rodgers help and he also inherited another stud 2nd rounder in Jennings.

 

In 2008 when they took Nelson, he was the 3rd WR off the board as there were none taken in the 1st. He developed into easily the best of the three and only DeSean Jackson taken later in the round has an argument vs him in the entire class.

 

In 2014 they could have traded up for OBJ or even Cooks. But it was a super deep class and they waited till the 2nd and landed a future All-Pro in Adams.

 

Poor Aaron has never lacked weapons.

 

I think I saw in the last 10 years the Packers have drafted one offensive player in the first round....Jordan Love.

 

Rodgers' clock is ticking, his successor is on the roster, and the Packers draft defense high a lot of times. Too many times for his taste.

 

He sees Brady leave and immediately win. He looks at his one trophy, from long ago. Then he says why shouldn't I complain about this?

 

It makes a lot of sense to me.

[NOLA]

Elijah Moore from Ole Miss or the LB from Notre Dame. Make it happen Sean.

 

Awful. Just freaking terrible. Moore and Kamara together would have been terrorists at the LOS.

 

We could have traded down and gotten this dude.

Yep, there's that. Who knows, this guy could be the next Cam Jordan, but that's not the point.

They could have traded down to get this guy, as you said. They could have traded a 3rd or 4th round pick to move up a few spots and take the CB Newsome from Northwestern, or stayed put and addressed the needs at WR or LB depth.

 

I read this morning that there are now 8 guys that can play defensive end on the roster, and 4 CBs, including Lattimore who might be suspended to start the season. The leaves Patrick Robinson (who was moved to safety) and 2 guys I've never heard of at CB to possibly start the season. Just weak.

[WrigleyField 22]

So the QB run happened between 64 and 67. Which means the bears would have had to go QB at 52 to get a even somewhat interesting one.

 

Yea, I'm taking this draft 100 time out of 100.

[Old Style]

Kellen Mond to the Viqueens. I love it.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'm liking the Vikings draft...

[Bertz]

[NOLA]

Congrats, Tom. The Jets are cleaning up. Elijah Moore is a badass.

[UMFan83]

It's crazy the disparity of picks at this point. Almost through the 4th round and the Cowboys for example have made 7 picks (the first 6 defensive) while the Bears have made 2. That said, the Bears 2 picks are by many accounts extremely impactful and will alter the franchise for a decade

[NOLA]

Anyone got a an opinion on Ian Book from ND?

[Andy]

Anyone got a an opinion on Ian Book from ND?

I don't know that he's much of a pro QB, but I also didn't think he was much of a college QB and he proved that loud wrong. Chances are he never starts a game barring injury but I can't imagine a QB room is worse for having him in it.

[raw]

It's crazy the disparity of picks at this point. Almost through the 4th round and the Cowboys for example have made 7 picks (the first 6 defensive) while the Bears have made 2. That said, the Bears 2 picks are by many accounts extremely impactful and will alter the franchise for a decade

 

After the 1st pick of the 3rd round, the Jaguars had made 5 picks and 29 of the other 31 teams had picked no more than 2 players.

[KingCubsFan]

Anyone got a an opinion on Ian Book from ND?

As an ND fan, I appreciate everything he did for the program, and he had some gutsy performances. But after the first beat down by Clemson in the CFP, he was always tentative in the pocket, and I’m shocked any pro evaluator watched film and actually thought he could make it in the NFL. If everything goes well, he’s probably a poor man’s Chase Daniel.

[NOLA]

Anyone got a an opinion on Ian Book from ND?

As an ND fan, I appreciate everything he did for the program, and he had some gutsy performances. But after the first beat down by Clemson in the CFP, he was always tentative in the pocket, and I’m shocked any pro evaluator watched film and actually thought he could make it in the NFL. If everything goes well, he’s probably a poor man’s Chase Daniel.

Oof. Still, Payton may see him as a new gadget guy. The beat writers down here are all but calling him Taysom II.

[ChiCubsFan]

I liked the Dolphins draft, but could have loved it with a few changes. I get why they went Phillips at 18. He is a top 5 edge rush talent, but his floor is also the ground with that concussion/injury history. Edge is such a need with the current roster and Coach Flores’s defensive scheme, that it’s risky relying on a guy like that. I would have preferred Darrisaw there and then grabbing a lower ceiling/higher floor edge rusher where they took Eichenberg.

 

Loved the Holland pick. Allows McCain to be cut to save 5.5-7M (pre or post June 1) or moved back to nickel where he excels. I’m guessing they keep him around an extra year to play primarily nickle, before cutting him next offseason.

 

Missing out on a RB was disappointing. I really wanted Khalil Herbert if they weren’t going to move back up into the end of the first for Javonte. At least the Bears got him.

[NOLA]

Count me as someone who doesn’t see Kellen Mond succeeding in the NFL. He just doesn’t throw with any touch and looks either great or awful at times.

[WrigleyField 22]

Count me as someone who doesn’t see Kellen Mond succeeding in the NFL. He just doesn’t throw with any touch and looks either great or awful at times.

He can probably stick around as a backup at least, and there's some starter potential I think.