2021 Bears season

[minnesotacubsfan]

interesting editorial; some here have mentioned the steelworks site

[pitchcs]

interesting editorial; some here have mentioned the steelworks site

 

How on earth is that better than Arlington Heights?

[minnesotacubsfan]

interesting editorial; some here have mentioned the steelworks site

 

How on earth is that better than Arlington Heights?

 

its "better" for the City of Chicago (?)

[UMFan83]

interesting editorial; some here have mentioned the steelworks site

 

How on earth is that better than Arlington Heights?

 

its "better" for the City of Chicago (?)

 

That's what I'm thinking. Plus the possible effects it has on the surrounding area on the south side of Chicago, an area which many Chicagoans never visit. But if I had to guess, gentrification around a stadium doesn't have the effect that you'd hope it would have.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

How on earth is that better than Arlington Heights?

 

its "better" for the City of Chicago (?)

 

That's what I'm thinking. Plus the possible effects it has on the surrounding area on the south side of Chicago, an area which many Chicagoans never visit. But if I had to guess, gentrification around a stadium doesn't have the effect that you'd hope it would have.

 

The university of Minnesota did a study about 15 years after the Metrodome was built on the actual economic effect that publicly funded stadiums have on their immediate surroundings and found that they dont have positive economic effects, they can actually kill neighborhoods

 

that being said, stadiums aren't developed the way they were in the early 1980's. We aren't going to tear down blocks and blocks of older buildings to build a concrete and teflon stadium with no windows. And effort can be made to develop the rest of the property to include things that the South Chicago neighborhoods actually need, like urban farms, appropriately sized retail (everything from the gambling and bar outfits the McCaskeys likley want to small scale mom/pop venues), etc. 500 acres provides a ton of opportunity and if planned correctly could offer the City a ton of benefit.

 

just as long as they actually cleaned up the benzene in the ground water..so to speak

[CoolHandLuke]

interesting editorial; some here have mentioned the steelworks site

 

How on earth is that better than Arlington Heights?

 

They both look to be about the same distance from downtown.

[David]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CU_gOPPBwpd/?utm_medium=copy_link

 

i haven't watched this, but i'm guessing it's pretty entertaining. hopefully urlacher doesn't say anything too dumb.

 

alex brown, kreutz, urlacher on some guy's podcast talking about the 2006 MNF game

[WrigleyField 22]

interesting editorial; some here have mentioned the steelworks site

 

How on earth is that better than Arlington Heights?

 

They both look to be about the same distance from downtown.

Certainly not by mileage. It is closer. Although I was mistaken before and it's serviced by a metra not an L stop.

 

Anyways when I originally brought it up, I was much more thinking about it having been an option during the negotiations around the SF renovation.

 

But hell, I don't understand why the McDome plan failed either.. Just because it was a dome instead of outdoor? The article bringing up Comiskey is interesting. The ideal would have been to make them a package deal in the early 90s. Now it seems like it would be awkward with the way Comiskey is positioned on the lot. It's possible I guess, but probably not ideal.

 

Arlington Heights is pretty clearly better than Southworks now though.

 

Southworks Pros:

1. Closer to density of Chicago

2. Slightly better transit. Although no L line, the proximity to downtown probably lends itself better to things like bus traffic (maybe even BRT routes)

Cons:

1. Environmental cleanup cost

 

Arlington Heights pros:

1. What it loses in density proximity to Chicago it probably makes up for in proximity to wealthy NW and North fanbase.

2. Much easier to deal with AH city than Chicago as far as negotiating any land use.

Cons:

1. The Metra stop is very likely overrated. That line doesn't have a lot of traffic today and I don't think we can assume it will just traffic 20k fans or something. It's a car-centric development.

[d_money]

I think the Metra stop is greatly overrated. It checks the box of public transportation but I would be an overwhelming majority of fans will drive Leaving the game on Metra will be an incredible horsefeathers show.

[squally1313]

Has there been any talk about extending the blue line past O'Hare (or making like a Yellow Line type extension) if the Bears end up out there? Would think with enough lead time you could follow 90 and get pretty close, but I also understand being weary of building out public transportation in a remote work heavy world.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Has there been any talk about extending the blue line past O'Hare (or making like a Yellow Line type extension) if the Bears end up out there? Would think with enough lead time you could follow 90 and get pretty close, but I also understand being weary of building out public transportation in a remote work heavy world.

The only downside to extending passenger rail is the build cost in Seattle: development happens in the vicinity of the stops as soon as a link/extension is built. It provides reliable transportation and the stop will likely never move once built.

 

I don't know that it would be the same in the Chicago metro, but I would guess it would be

[WrigleyField 22]

I think the Metra stop is greatly overrated. It checks the box of public transportation but I would be an overwhelming majority of fans will drive Leaving the game on Metra will be an incredible horsefeathers show.

Exactly. Obviously creating an entire little village hopefully helps the congestion by spreading out arrival/departure, but I'd be shocked if it's much more than 5k who ultimately take some form of mass transit outside of like 2 miles from Arlington Park, including the train. I think that entire line does like 40k weekday daily riders and that stop 1.8k. I'd be curious how many riders took that stop on racetrack days, but I'd be shocked if the total line/stop capacity isn't way more limited than people believe.

[jersey cubs fan]

I also understand being weary of building out public transportation in a remote work heavy world.

That's incredibly short sighted thinking.

 

We are way behind on public transport and need all that we can get.

[Sammy Sofa]

Has there been any talk about extending the blue line past O'Hare (or making like a Yellow Line type extension) if the Bears end up out there? Would think with enough lead time you could follow 90 and get pretty close, but I also understand being weary of building out public transportation in a remote work heavy world.

 

The city expanding the L just to get to wherever the horsefeathering Bears end up outside of the city versus expanding the system into actual city neighborhoods where people have been screaming for the L to even just exist in the first horsefeathering place would be the most horsefeathering Chicago thing ever.

 

(And yes, I know the idealized answer is, "why not both?" We all horsefeathering know the reality is they'd almost certainly do the former and continue acting like the latter is impossible)

[WrigleyField 22]

Has there been any talk about extending the blue line past O'Hare (or making like a Yellow Line type extension) if the Bears end up out there? Would think with enough lead time you could follow 90 and get pretty close, but I also understand being weary of building out public transportation in a remote work heavy world.

I doubt a blue line extension is very viable. You need daily ridership, not a one off extension to an entertainment district.

 

There is probably some viable rail projects for intercity urban areas and long distance HSR, but for intermittent medium to low density transit, buses and BRT are probably the best bet.

[David]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CU_gOPPBwpd/?utm_medium=copy_link

 

i haven't watched this, but i'm guessing it's pretty entertaining. hopefully urlacher doesn't say anything too dumb.

 

alex brown, kreutz, urlacher on some guy's podcast talking about the 2006 MNF game

 

so, yeah, urlacher is a jerk and olin obviously can be too but this was still really entertaining. i'd recommend for anyone (pretty much everyone here) who was a big fan of this team during the lovie years.

[d_money]

Has there been any talk about extending the blue line past O'Hare (or making like a Yellow Line type extension) if the Bears end up out there? Would think with enough lead time you could follow 90 and get pretty close, but I also understand being weary of building out public transportation in a remote work heavy world.

I doubt a blue line extension is very viable. You need daily ridership, not a one off extension to an entertainment district.

 

There is probably some viable rail projects for intercity urban areas and long distance HSR, but for intermittent medium to low density transit, buses and BRT are probably the best bet.

Wasn’t Musk gonna build a tunnel train out to Ohare? He could just keep on digging to AH.

[minnesotacubsfan]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CU_gOPPBwpd/?utm_medium=copy_link

 

i haven't watched this, but i'm guessing it's pretty entertaining. hopefully urlacher doesn't say anything too dumb.

 

alex brown, kreutz, urlacher on some guy's podcast talking about the 2006 MNF game

 

so, yeah, urlacher is a jerk and olin obviously can be too but this was still really entertaining. i'd recommend for anyone (pretty much everyone here) who was a big fan of this team during the lovie years.

Yea. It's interesting that the Cardinals left Urlacher that unaccounted for