College Football 2021 Offseason

[Andy]

FWIW, Pete Thamel had a pretty good column today about this, and among the things he pointed out is that from people he's talked to, Missouri is not a no, and A&M is on an island here.

[Old Style]

Unfortunately Mike Slive is dead because when he was SEC Commissioner he gave the A&M President a gentleman’s agreement that Texas would not be allowed in without our approval. It’s been in place with other schools prior to us. Florida blocked Florida State from consideration. But we specifically discussed that with the SEC before joining. I understand and accept that this may indeed happen but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk like many do and if it does happen it’s a major slap in the face to A&M.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Athletic writers have been pointing out that the SEC would prefer to present a united front. If A&M and Missouri really are this vehemently against bringing in UT and Oklahoma, the SEC likely wouldn't want to be seen as basically telling them to shut up and deal with it, even if by league bylaws they could.

 

I can't believe the SEC is going to let its two newest members prevent something they want. I'd tell Missouri to shut up and count their blessings that they're not in Conference USA right now.

[Andy]

[OleMissCub]

Obligatory: https://northsidebaseball.com/archive/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=56359&

I miss when a topic like that could blow up for 110 pages.

 

The current mega threads have fatally wounded this board

[UMFan83]

 

Have no idea how valid this guy is but interesting if true. I just....if the money is disproportionately in football vs. basketball, I dont know why the Big Ten would entertain adding another bad football program, but this program is historically awful even more than Rutgers was. But as a college basketball fan, what an amazing conference. In terms of academics, I'm pretty sure Kansas falls into line as the type of school they would take as they are in the AAU.

[Old Style]

Welp, guess I was too naïve. Seems like it's only a mater of when and not if. Not happy with Sankey horsefeathering us and going back on what Mike Slive guaranteed would not happen.

[Andy]

 

Have no idea how valid this guy is but interesting if true. I just....if the money is disproportionately in football vs. basketball, I dont know why the Big Ten would entertain adding another bad football program, but this program is historically awful even more than Rutgers was. But as a college basketball fan, what an amazing conference. In terms of academics, I'm pretty sure Kansas falls into line as the type of school they would take as they are in the AAU.

B1G would have to add a 16th school if they brought in KU, no? Do they save another current Big 12 school from irrelevance? Iowa State is in the AAU, for whatever that's worth, but that might ruffle Iowa's feathers. Maybe Colorado if the B1G wants to continue playing Manifest Destiny.

 

This is all to say nothing of the fact that the current 14 B1G schools would definitely be seeing a minor hit to their per-school payouts by adding those schools, there's no way they'd be worth enough not to.

Edited July 23, 2021 by Andy

[Andy]

Chip Brown is Chip Brown, but:

 

[Old Style]

Chimp Brown is usually wrong so maybe there’s hope for me yet. Lol.

[OleMissCub]

Chimp Brown is usually wrong so maybe there’s hope for me yet. Lol.

 

Thoughts and prayers, lol.

 

I assume you've seen this already this morning?

 

[Old Style]

One positive in tis realignment is that Baylor is completely fucked and left out in the cold. Lol.

[snoodmonger]

 

Have no idea how valid this guy is but interesting if true. I just....if the money is disproportionately in football vs. basketball, I dont know why the Big Ten would entertain adding another bad football program, but this program is historically awful even more than Rutgers was. But as a college basketball fan, what an amazing conference. In terms of academics, I'm pretty sure Kansas falls into line as the type of school they would take as they are in the AAU.

B1G would have to add a 16th school if they brought in KU, no? Do they save another current Big 12 school from irrelevance? Iowa State is in the AAU, for whatever that's worth, but that might ruffle Iowa's feathers. Maybe Colorado if the B1G wants to continue playing Manifest Destiny.

 

This is all to say nothing of the fact that the current 14 B1G schools would definitely be seeing a minor hit to their per-school payouts by adding those schools, there's no way they'd be worth enough not to.

 

if it happened, I'm assuming KU and whoever else would be junior partners for a while with vastly reduced revenues.

 

KU is the third most valuable brand in the Big 12 after UT and OU and makes a ton of money in tier 3 rights, which I assume would go to the conference if they joined. As bad as our football has been, we've still been able to bring in a ton of money that way. But it's probably not enough to offset our addition to the league.

 

Academically, it's about on par with Nebraska, maybe a little better, which puts us at the bottom of the Big 10. But KU has made some strides there, including ditching in-state open admissions, which really dragged down the school's academic numbers for a long time.

 

I hope it happens, but I don't think it will, unless there is a real expectation that basketball revenues will start to go more directly to the conferences vs maintaining the NCAA, whatever it is they do. Just not sure it brings the $ to the B1G, and I have no idea who else could come. Colorado makes the most sense, assuming Iowa says no thanks to the Cyclones.

 

Would be fun to play Michigan St./tOSU/UI/IU/Wiscy in hoops. And look it at this way, it's a nice way for middle tier BIG schools to pad their win stats in football. (Although I do think Liepold can make us respectable in a few years.)

[CubinNY]

The sport is moving closer and closer to professional league style.

 

Big 10 (whatever, they call it)

ACC

SEC

PAC 10 (whatever, they call it)

 

League Championship

 

Playoff

 

National Championship

 

Everyone else goes to bowls. It kind of forces Notre Dame to pick a league.

 

It would be great if the Super Conferences could just break away from the NCAA.

[UMFan83]

 

Have no idea how valid this guy is but interesting if true. I just....if the money is disproportionately in football vs. basketball, I dont know why the Big Ten would entertain adding another bad football program, but this program is historically awful even more than Rutgers was. But as a college basketball fan, what an amazing conference. In terms of academics, I'm pretty sure Kansas falls into line as the type of school they would take as they are in the AAU.

B1G would have to add a 16th school if they brought in KU, no? Do they save another current Big 12 school from irrelevance? Iowa State is in the AAU, for whatever that's worth, but that might ruffle Iowa's feathers. Maybe Colorado if the B1G wants to continue playing Manifest Destiny.

 

This is all to say nothing of the fact that the current 14 B1G schools would definitely be seeing a minor hit to their per-school payouts by adding those schools, there's no way they'd be worth enough not to.

 

They'd definitely add a 16th school and its super interesting to speculate. I would guess though that another Big 12 school is most likely, and one that has some value as a football program and/or like you said has a new territory to offer. I think there are 4 factors: academics, football program (success and revenue), basketball (success and revenue), market

 

There's more to academics than whether someone is an AAU school but its relevant as Nebraska is the only Big Ten school who is not a member. Looking at Big 12 programs, Kansas and Iowa State are the only 2 AAU schools (besides Texas).

 

Football wise, there are no powerhouses there but Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor are strong programs and generally bring in revenue. Iowa State is on the upswing, TCU and Kansas State have been good recently, but I'd say OK St, TTU and Baylor are on that top tier

 

Basketball is sort of the same thing in terms of historical powerhouses but obviously Baylor is the current national champ, Texas tech was in the title game 2 seasons ago, and the rest of the teams besides TCU are generally strong more often than not.

 

Marketwise...Iowa State is a good 100+ miles from Iowa but they both share a relatively small market. Big Ten isn't getting much traction by adding ISU. Oklahoma State is a little better but still a small market thats dominated by another state school, KState is similar. West Virginia is tiny and near Maryland. The Texas schools though... all bring markets like Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio into the mix so definitely the winners there.

 

If you take all factors into consideration you are looking at Baylor or Texas Tech as the most desirable IMO. But Baylor has some....issues in its recent past that may make the Big Ten look past them.

[jumbo]

The sport is moving closer and closer to professional league style.

 

Big 10 (whatever, they call it)

ACC

SEC

PAC 10 (whatever, they call it)

 

League Championship

 

Playoff

 

National Championship

 

Everyone else goes to bowls. It kind of forces Notre Dame to pick a league.

 

It would be great if the Super Conferences could just break away from the NCAA.

 

I'd love to see Notre Dame end up in the Big Ten. Not sure if there's history of ND specifically spurning the Big Ten moreso than any conference. I guess they might owe the ACC for letting them in last year, but as a midwest guy I'd prefer the Big Ten

[Andy]

The sport is moving closer and closer to professional league style.

 

Big 10 (whatever, they call it)

ACC

SEC

PAC 10 (whatever, they call it)

 

League Championship

 

Playoff

 

National Championship

 

Everyone else goes to bowls. It kind of forces Notre Dame to pick a league.

 

It would be great if the Super Conferences could just break away from the NCAA.

 

I'd love to see Notre Dame end up in the Big Ten. Not sure if there's history of ND specifically spurning the Big Ten moreso than any conference. I guess they might owe the ACC for letting them in last year, but as a midwest guy I'd prefer the Big Ten

ND is tied to the ACC through 2036 when the league's grant of media rights expires, and in any case all indications are both sides like that relationship (exhibit A being the 2020 football season, as you noted), so I don't think it's going away.

[SouthSideRyan]

And I was just checking the old thread to get my best Kansas to the MVC jokes in line. On the plus side I was worried nobody would be here from KU but snood is back!

[SouthSideRyan]

Previously Big Ten got way more money from TV carriage in states where teams in the conference were than non Big Ten states. (.10 vs .70). If that’s still the case, then they could look Syracuse, an angry A&M, GA Tech, UNC, UVA, Mizzou(in addition to the ever-present ND wish)

 

That said, If I recall the exit fees ramped up for the big conferences after the last round. Big 12 collapse would solve issues with that for Kansas(3M people but you’d expect near full buy-in for cable), but may make the above not feasible without going into other reasons those schools wouldn’t leave

[soccer10k]

But Baylor has some....issues in its recent past that may make the Big Ten look past them.

 

Is it that they’ve actually managed to win a men’s hoops title in the last 20 years and that won’t stand in the Big 10?

[NOLA]

Previously Big Ten got way more money from TV carriage in states where teams in the conference were than non Big Ten states. (.10 vs .70). If that’s still the case, then they could look Syracuse, an angry A&M, GA Tech, UNC, UVA, Mizzou(in addition to the ever-present ND wish)

 

That said, If I recall the exit fees ramped up for the big conferences after the last round. Big 12 collapse would solve issues with that for Kansas(3M people but you’d expect near full buy-in for cable), but may make the above not feasible without going into other reasons those schools wouldn’t leave

Mizzou and A&M aren’t leaving the SEC. There’s too much money there for them. Does the Big Ten have a thing against religious schools like the Pac12? To me, TCU fits in there perfectly.

 

I can absolutely see the Pac 12 taking on Texas Tech and OK State. Purple Kansas seems homeless.

[SouthSideRyan]

But Baylor has some....issues in its recent past that may make the Big Ten look past them.

 

Is it that they’ve actually managed to win a men’s hoops title in the last 20 years and that won’t stand in the Big 10?

 

Maryland won it in the last 19 years so there

[OleMissCub]

[Old Style]

Ugh. We always have to embarrass ourselves. SMH

[Old Style]

SEC has been in ‘serious contact’ with Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan and Florida State about leaving their respective conferences to join the league. The ultimate goal? To have a true 20-team mega conference.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/rubbingtherock.com/2021/07/23/clemson-football-sec-serious-contact/amp/