Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

[minnesotacubsfan]

Exactly were is raw tonight

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2021/05/01/aaron-rodgers-wants-packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-out/4904735001/

[WrigleyField 22]

[WrigleyField 22]

Good link for tracking Bears UDFA signings. 12 so far.

 

[WrigleyField 22]

Charles Leno is being released. He was no star, but hell be missed. Obviously they see Jenkins as a LT. Gives them some needed cap room.

 

Jenkins-Daniels-Mustipher-Whitehair-Ifedi

Backups : Wilkinson-Hambright-Bars-Simmoms-Borom

 

Probably carry 8 or 9 with 2 on the PS.

[cbbryan]

Charles Leno is being released. He was no star, but hell be missed. Obviously they see Jenkins as a LT. Gives them some needed cap room.

 

Jenkins-Daniels-Mustipher-Whitehair-Ifedi

Backups : Wilkinson-Hambright-Bars-Simmoms-Borom

 

Probably carry 8 or 9 with 2 on the PS.

 

 

I'm somewhat surprised by this move, but it makes a lot of sense from a cap prospective.

[UMFan83]

Charles Leno is being released. He was no star, but hell be missed. Obviously they see Jenkins as a LT. Gives them some needed cap room.

 

Jenkins-Daniels-Mustipher-Whitehair-Ifedi

Backups : Wilkinson-Hambright-Bars-Simmoms-Borom

 

Probably carry 8 or 9 with 2 on the PS.

 

What do you think they will do with that cap room? Or did they need it in order to sign their draft class? I suppose holding onto it for an extension would be a good idea, or maybe to work out a long term deal with Allen Robinson

[WrigleyField 22]

Charles Leno is being released. He was no star, but hell be missed. Obviously they see Jenkins as a LT. Gives them some needed cap room.

 

Jenkins-Daniels-Mustipher-Whitehair-Ifedi

Backups : Wilkinson-Hambright-Bars-Simmoms-Borom

 

Probably carry 8 or 9 with 2 on the PS.

 

What do you think they will do with that cap room? Or did they need it in order to sign their draft class? I suppose holding onto it for an extension would be a good idea, or maybe to work out a long term deal with Allen Robinson

We gotta consolidate these threads lol. Mods can we just lock this one and go with the 2021 thread?

 

Short answer 4.6M after signing the rookie class, but that's pretty much maxed out since you want to leave cushion (your in season cap always runs higher than your offseason 51 man number)

[raw]

Charles Leno is being released. He was no star, but hell be missed. Obviously they see Jenkins as a LT. Gives them some needed cap room.

 

Jenkins-Daniels-Mustipher-Whitehair-Ifedi

Backups : Wilkinson-Hambright-Bars-Simmoms-Borom

 

Probably carry 8 or 9 with 2 on the PS.

 

What do you think they will do with that cap room? Or did they need it in order to sign their draft class? I suppose holding onto it for an extension would be a good idea, or maybe to work out a long term deal with Allen Robinson

 

Only had like 300K in cap space before this cut. Needed it to sign the draft class.

[Tryptamine]

It looks like the only realistic way they open up enough money to pick up a quality CB is if they extend Robinson. I'd think he'd be more open to that with the addition of Fields and a few young linemen. How different things would be if they had kept Fuller and not signed Dalton with that money.

[WrigleyField 22]

It looks like the only realistic way they open up enough money to pick up a quality CB is if they extend Robinson. I'd think he'd be more open to that with the addition of Fields and a few young linemen. How different things would be if they had kept Fuller and not signed Dalton with that money.

Restructure Quinn.

 

Cut Graham/Hicks.

 

Even a Goldman restructure is out there- that's only a few mil, but any FA add this late shouldn't be a ton of money- not sure who's even out there-anyone actually better than Trufant, or is it about just throwing bodies out there?

[David]

[raw]

It looks like the only realistic way they open up enough money to pick up a quality CB is if they extend Robinson. I'd think he'd be more open to that with the addition of Fields and a few young linemen. How different things would be if they had kept Fuller and not signed Dalton with that money.

Restructure Quinn.

 

Cut Graham/Hicks.

 

Even a Goldman restructure is out there- that's only a few mil, but any FA add this late shouldn't be a ton of money- not sure who's even out there-anyone actually better than Trufant, or is it about just throwing bodies out there?

 

Restructuring Quinn keeps him on the team longer as his guaranteed money would be more spread out. Unless it's just a straight pay cut, that's a bad idea.

 

Best outside CB on the market is probably Breshaud Breeland, unless you think Richard Sherman or Josh Norman still have anything left in the tank. Lot of interesting nickel guys, but I think the Bears have enough quantity there to turn into quality.

[WrigleyField 22]

Restructuring Quinn keeps him on the team longer as his guaranteed money would be more spread out. Unless it's just a straight pay cut, that's a bad idea.

I'm admittedly a contrarian on this point, but moving Quinn's guarantees doesn't make him harder to cut later on. Yes, it creates a potential big dead cap penalty in 2022, but it's offset by the 2021 savings you need now. The only difference is timing, but it's all a sunk cost. And sunk costs shouldn't determine personnel decisions.

 

The only cap downside is it makes it much harder to trade him in 2021, but I'm assuming that's a very narrow possibility anyways to the point that it's of zero concern.

[WrigleyField 22]

Anothony Miller news incoming next?

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Anothony Miller news incoming next?

 

 

Shrug

 

[raw]

Anothony Miller news incoming next?

 

 

Shrug

 

 

Yep, outside WR. My guess is Javon Wims gets his name in the news soon.

[raw]

Restructuring Quinn keeps him on the team longer as his guaranteed money would be more spread out. Unless it's just a straight pay cut, that's a bad idea.

I'm admittedly a contrarian on this point, but moving Quinn's guarantees doesn't make him harder to cut later on. Yes, it creates a potential big dead cap penalty in 2022, but it's offset by the 2021 savings you need now. The only difference is timing, but it's all a sunk cost. And sunk costs shouldn't determine personnel decisions.

 

The only cap downside is it makes it much harder to trade him in 2021, but I'm assuming that's a very narrow possibility anyways to the point that it's of zero concern.

 

Yeah, I forgot you were that guy. And yes, you are right. And it actually makes a lot of sense with a little extra space next year (can also june 1 cut him and spread the damage out over 2 years).

[ChiCubsFan]

Restructuring Quinn keeps him on the team longer as his guaranteed money would be more spread out. Unless it's just a straight pay cut, that's a bad idea.

I'm admittedly a contrarian on this point, but moving Quinn's guarantees doesn't make him harder to cut later on. Yes, it creates a potential big dead cap penalty in 2022, but it's offset by the 2021 savings you need now. The only difference is timing, but it's all a sunk cost. And sunk costs shouldn't determine personnel decisions.

 

The only cap downside is it makes it much harder to trade him in 2021, but I'm assuming that's a very narrow possibility anyways to the point that it's of zero concern.

 

Correct in that it’s the same net money over time, but still makes him harder to cut. You’re paying him less now to pay him more next year when you cut him. Overall, it’s the same money, just paid during different cap years. And paying him more guaranteed 2022 money makes him harder to cut after this season.

 

We aren’t seriously competing this year, so why pay him more next year or in 2023 just so we can sign some stopgap CB to marginally improve the team? Unless the plan is to use the money to sign some previously cut players to Covid-deflated 1 year contracts and then let them walk, thus improving our future comp picks?

[WrigleyField 22]

Restructuring Quinn keeps him on the team longer as his guaranteed money would be more spread out. Unless it's just a straight pay cut, that's a bad idea.

I'm admittedly a contrarian on this point, but moving Quinn's guarantees doesn't make him harder to cut later on. Yes, it creates a potential big dead cap penalty in 2022, but it's offset by the 2021 savings you need now. The only difference is timing, but it's all a sunk cost. And sunk costs shouldn't determine personnel decisions.

 

The only cap downside is it makes it much harder to trade him in 2021, but I'm assuming that's a very narrow possibility anyways to the point that it's of zero concern.

 

Correct in that it’s the same net money over time, but still makes him harder to cut. You’re paying him less now to pay him more next year when you cut him. Overall, it’s the same money, just paid during different cap years. And paying him more guaranteed 2022 money makes him harder to cut after this season.

Its a pedantic point, but restructuring Quinn really doesnt matter.

 

Ultimately every unearned contract you go forward with is a choice. For example, is Hicks worth 10.5M? Is Graham worth 7M? Is Charles Leno worth 8.9M. Etc. Each of those is choices. Spend it now or spend it on a replacement. Or save it all for the future. Quinn restructure or Mack's is just an excercise in timing. But just cause you may have answered those earlier questions poorly, doesn't mean playing around with timing of another dead hit is bad or affects 2022. The decisions on the other guys in 2021 is what actually affects 2022.

[Derwood]

I know the thread title was changed in jest, but it's a little jarring to look back and see that outside of one start by Jason Campbell in 2012, the Bears haven't actually had a black starting QB since Kordell Stewart in 2003.

[UMFan83]

I know the thread title was changed in jest, but it's a little jarring to look back and see that outside of one start by Jason Campbell in 2012, the Bears haven't actually had a black starting QB since Kordell Stewart in 2003.

 

There's a really good thread on twitter breaking down the number of starts every team has given to a black QB in their history. As of September 2020, the Bears ranked 23rd in most starts with 41, but Mahomes and the Chiefs as well as Kyler and the Cardinals have since passed them, so 25th.

 

The worst is the Giants, who have given just 1 start to a black QB in their entire franchise history - Geno Smith

 

[Derwood]

Growing up, the Warren Moons or the Randall Cunningham’s of the league were the rare exception, as the QB role was overwhelmingly white. But that has shifted so much over the past 20 years that it’s kinda crazy that a team with so much QB turnover hasn’t accidentally started a black QB a few times. It’s not like we’ve had a Brady or Rodgers filling the spot for 15+ years...

[David]

Growing up, the Warren Moons or the Randall Cunningham’s of the league were the rare exception, as the QB role was overwhelmingly white. But that has shifted so much over the past 20 years that it’s kinda crazy that a team with so much QB turnover hasn’t accidentally started a black QB a few times. It’s not like we’ve had a Brady or Rodgers filling the spot for 15+ years...

 

i mean, we did have cutler for 8 years. and before that there was rex and neckbeard. then drafted mitch shortly thereafter. i guess the best window was that last cutler year where a bunch of random idiots played and then the glennon/mitch year after that.

[Old Style]

Growing up, the Warren Moons or the Randall Cunningham’s of the league were the rare exception, as the QB role was overwhelmingly white. But that has shifted so much over the past 20 years that it’s kinda crazy that a team with so much QB turnover hasn’t accidentally started a black QB a few times. It’s not like we’ve had a Brady or Rodgers filling the spot for 15+ years...

 

i mean, we did have cutler for 8 years. and before that there was rex and neckbeard. then drafted mitch shortly thereafter. i guess the best window was that last cutler year where a bunch of random idiots played and then the glennon/mitch year after that.

Hard to believe we had Cutler for 8 damn years. Doesn't seem that long in my mind. We did have Vince Evans as a starting QB in the late 70's/early 80's.

[Brian]

I love that Nagy giving 1 year contract, has yet to take a single snap as a Bear, Andy Dalton a courtesy call on draft day and draft night has entered the Rodgers/Green Bay drama