Week 15: Bears/Vikings Part 2

[UMFan83]

I have no idea what to think anymore about this team. So much has changed multiple times this season. I think it's pretty safe to say the Pace, Nagy and Mitch still aren't going to lead this team to a championship and consistent playoff contention, but do you actually get rid of them all? I think most assume if they make the playoffs, you run it back. But does Trubisky want to come back? What's even his market? I was thinking he'd be in the Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick range (2 years/$11Mil). But he's younger than both with some upside still in there. So, does he get the Mariota deal (2/$19M)? Does he get more? After all, Mariota lost his job, never got it back, and his replacement went on to play at an MVP level since.

 

But all of a sudden, Nagy's decision making is looking good with him giving up the playcalling. Pace's roster moves are looking good, with 3 starters from the 2020 draft, 2 UDFAs playing well on the OL, and Ifedi being one of the more stable parts of the OL this season.

 

But what if they don't make the playoffs? They'll beat the Jags next week. But what if they lose to the Packers and miss? What if they get embarrassed again? Do you fire a coach who never had a losing record and is 8 games over .500 in 3 years? Do you let the GM have another shot at a QB?

 

This is a weird situation where if they want to run it back, they might not have the QB on board with them. Either way, we still aren't close to being sure if this is the right GM, coach or QB. If they don't run it back, they end on somewhat of a hot streak where players and coaches may be figuring this thing out. It's so Bears to get in a "damned if you do/don't" situation.

 

I think at this point it makes sense for them to run it back even though I'd prefer that not be the case. Pace has 1 year left and Nagy 2 right? They won't be in a position to take a 1st round QB, but they absolutely should take one in an early round as a developmental piece. Look at what Hurts has done for the Eagles. Not sure if he's a long term fit or not but he is giving Eagles fans some hope in a lost season. The Bears are still arguably in their weird competitive window. I wouldnt mortgage the future to keep making incremental improvements but they are at a position where it also doesnt make sense to blow it up (though maybe some disagree, I'd be willing to accept arguments on the contrary). All that said it makes sense to try to get Mitch for 1-2 years with the 2nd year being partially guaranteed, let Nagy and Pace play out another season and then either extend or fire.

 

I can't believe I am even suggesting this but here we are.

[ChiCubsFan]

And what do you do with Foles in this resign Mitch scenario? Keep him as a backup along with drafting a day 2 QB?

[minnesotacubsfan]

And what do you do with Foles in this resign Mitch scenario? Keep him as a backup along with drafting a day 2 QB?

 

horsefeathers, draft a 1st day QB if it makes sense where you are in the draft

 

Yes, bring Foles back because you have to. If you get Mitch/Mariotta on a reasonable deal, Foles ensures you aren't throwing the kid into a fire, but if the pick turns out good he'll outplay Foles and Foles will continue to serve back up to the backup

[UMFan83]

And what do you do with Foles in this resign Mitch scenario? Keep him as a backup along with drafting a day 2 QB?

 

Since he has all that dead money, knowing Pace he will trade Foles and a 4rd round pick for a conditional 7th rounder to get rid of him.

 

But in all seriousness, having Foles stuck on the roster should not hinder the Bears from trying to find and develop a potential QB of the future.

[WrigleyField 22]

And what do you do with Foles in this resign Mitch scenario? Keep him as a backup along with drafting a day 2 QB?

 

Since he has all that dead money, knowing Pace he will trade Foles and a 4rd round pick for a conditional 7th rounder to get rid of him.

 

But in all seriousness, having Foles stuck on the roster should not hinder the Bears from trying to find and develop a potential QB of the future.

Yea can't let the dead hits dictate Foles. He's a somewhat tradeable contract for the receiving team. But worst case he's a backup and you have to carry 3 QBs assuming you have a rookie too. If you really only wanted to go 2 QBs then I guess you take the dead hits even though it doesn't save you anything at all.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how the dead cap hit works, but if you trade Foles, doesn't he actually cost you *more* cap space next year than if you keep him?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I have no idea what to think anymore about this team. So much has changed multiple times this season. I think it's pretty safe to say the Pace, Nagy and Mitch still aren't going to lead this team to a championship and consistent playoff contention, but do you actually get rid of them all? I think most assume if they make the playoffs, you run it back. But does Trubisky want to come back? What's even his market? I was thinking he'd be in the Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick range (2 years/$11Mil). But he's younger than both with some upside still in there. So, does he get the Mariota deal (2/$19M)? Does he get more? After all, Mariota lost his job, never got it back, and his replacement went on to play at an MVP level since.

 

But all of a sudden, Nagy's decision making is looking good with him giving up the playcalling. Pace's roster moves are looking good, with 3 starters from the 2020 draft, 2 UDFAs playing well on the OL, and Ifedi being one of the more stable parts of the OL this season.

 

But what if they don't make the playoffs? They'll beat the Jags next week. But what if they lose to the Packers and miss? What if they get embarrassed again? Do you fire a coach who never had a losing record and is 8 games over .500 in 3 years? Do you let the GM have another shot at a QB?

 

This is a weird situation where if they want to run it back, they might not have the QB on board with them. Either way, we still aren't close to being sure if this is the right GM, coach or QB. If they don't run it back, they end on somewhat of a hot streak where players and coaches may be figuring this thing out. It's so Bears to get in a "damned if you do/don't" situation.

 

That's pretty much where I am. The emergence of the interior OL, Trubisky and Montgomery is objectively a good thing, but it's somehow made the future of the team even less clear. It's cemented the mediocrity hell even harder.

 

I like rooting for Trubisky. I like the idea of sticking with a QB we've drafted. I think he's shown he's better than Foles, and that he's capable of being serviceable if the rest of the offense isn't a tire-fire (and apparently Nagy's playcalling was a problem).

 

But that just makes things even more awkward, because 1) he's still not the Franchise QB we want and 2) He's not under contract and Foles is, and Foles' contract was backloaded to hell. We're already in enough of a cap space crunch as it is without trying to figure out how we're going to make room for Mitchy T.

 

The defense looks old and thin, and we knew going into the season the defense looked old and thin, and it's not gonna get less old and thin next year.

 

We're in a really awkward spot because I don't think we have an gaping holes. There's no wildly sub-replacement units that we can fix and suddenly get way better. It's just a raging sea of mediocrity all across the roster, and not a lot of cap space to fix it.

 

I guess maybe you just run it back, try to have a good draft, and figure out where you are after next year?

[jersey cubs fan]

Is "run it back" a common phrase for sports teams? All of a sudden I'm seeing it everywhere.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I have no idea what to think anymore about this team. So much has changed multiple times this season. I think it's pretty safe to say the Pace, Nagy and Mitch still aren't going to lead this team to a championship and consistent playoff contention, but do you actually get rid of them all? I think most assume if they make the playoffs, you run it back. But does Trubisky want to come back? What's even his market? I was thinking he'd be in the Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick range (2 years/$11Mil). But he's younger than both with some upside still in there. So, does he get the Mariota deal (2/$19M)? Does he get more? After all, Mariota lost his job, never got it back, and his replacement went on to play at an MVP level since.

 

But all of a sudden, Nagy's decision making is looking good with him giving up the playcalling. Pace's roster moves are looking good, with 3 starters from the 2020 draft, 2 UDFAs playing well on the OL, and Ifedi being one of the more stable parts of the OL this season.

 

But what if they don't make the playoffs? They'll beat the Jags next week. But what if they lose to the Packers and miss? What if they get embarrassed again? Do you fire a coach who never had a losing record and is 8 games over .500 in 3 years? Do you let the GM have another shot at a QB?

 

This is a weird situation where if they want to run it back, they might not have the QB on board with them. Either way, we still aren't close to being sure if this is the right GM, coach or QB. If they don't run it back, they end on somewhat of a hot streak where players and coaches may be figuring this thing out. It's so Bears to get in a "damned if you do/don't" situation.

 

That's pretty much where I am. The emergence of the interior OL, Trubisky and Montgomery is objectively a good thing, but it's somehow made the future of the team even less clear. It's cemented the mediocrity hell even harder.

 

I like rooting for Trubisky. I like the idea of sticking with a QB we've drafted. I think he's shown he's better than Foles, and that he's capable of being serviceable if the rest of the offense isn't a tire-fire (and apparently Nagy's playcalling was a problem).

 

But that just makes things even more awkward, because 1) he's still not the Franchise QB we want and 2) He's not under contract and Foles is, and Foles' contract was backloaded to hell. We're already in enough of a cap space crunch as it is without trying to figure out how we're going to make room for Mitchy T.

 

The defense looks old and thin, and we knew going into the season the defense looked old and thin, and it's not gonna get less old and thin next year.

 

We're in a really awkward spot because I don't think we have an gaping holes. There's no wildly sub-replacement units that we can fix and suddenly get way better. It's just a raging sea of mediocrity all across the roster, and not a lot of cap space to fix it.

 

I guess maybe you just run it back, try to have a good draft, and figure out where you are after next year?

 

If you resign Trubisky, you can draft EDGE or WR in the 1st round, depending on who is there. That frees up letting Arob go or trading Mack. If you draft OL, you will likely have to bring Arob back. Or, you simply BPA the pick

 

I guess the point is if Trubisky plays himself into a new contract you have more options than if he flat out sucked and you HAVE to draft QB in the 1st.

[WrigleyField 22]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how the dead cap hit works, but if you trade Foles, doesn't he actually cost you *more* cap space next year than if you keep him?

In a trade you don't pick up the guaranteed salary hits, just pro-rations from bonuses. So theres 5M in guaranteed 2021 (4) and 2022 (1) the new team picks up. Bears just eat the signing bonus pro-ration from signing bonus from the restructure.

 

In a cut, the Bears eat that pro ration and the guarantee base salaries.

 

I'm admittedly starting to go on a bit of a "the base salaries are all that matters crusade.". The signing bonuses are all sunk costs and you don't want to fall into a sunk cost fallacy with your decision making. So even moves that people say "cost you" cap space really are net savings in a big picture. The cap hits year over year are pretty fungible so there's almost always ways to move around dead hits without increasing guarantees.

 

Basically if you can get out of unearned cash payments, these moves always save cap. If you cant get out of new cash payments, they don't.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how the dead cap hit works, but if you trade Foles, doesn't he actually cost you *more* cap space next year than if you keep him?

In a trade you don't pick up the guaranteed salary hits, just pro-rations from bonuses. So theres 5M in guaranteed 2021 (4) and 2022 (1) the new team picks up. Bears just eat the signing bonus pro-ration from signing bonus from the restructure.

 

In a cut, the Bears eat that pro ration and the guarantee base salaries.

 

I'm admittedly starting to go on a bit of a "the base salaries are all that matters crusade.". The signing bonuses are all sunk costs and you don't want to fall into a sunk cost fallacy with your decision making. So even moves that people say "cost you" cap space really are net savings in a big picture. The cap hits year over year are pretty fungible so there's almost always ways to move around dead hits without increasing guarantees.

 

Basically if you can get out of unearned cash payments, these moves always save cap. If you cant get out of new cash payments, they don't.

 

So if he's traded (rather than cut), the new team takes the cap hit on guaranteed but not-paid-yet money, right? That would be his 2021 salary, $1m of his 2022 salary, and a 2022 $4m roster bonus.

 

 

Also, if Trubisky manages to stay healthy and play these last two games, we avoided any of his escalator clauses.

[ChiCubsFan]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how the dead cap hit works, but if you trade Foles, doesn't he actually cost you *more* cap space next year than if you keep him?

In a trade you don't pick up the guaranteed salary hits, just pro-rations from bonuses. So theres 5M in guaranteed 2021 (4) and 2022 (1) the new team picks up. Bears just eat the signing bonus pro-ration from signing bonus from the restructure.

 

In a cut, the Bears eat that pro ration and the guarantee base salaries.

 

I'm admittedly starting to go on a bit of a "the base salaries are all that matters crusade.". The signing bonuses are all sunk costs and you don't want to fall into a sunk cost fallacy with your decision making. So even moves that people say "cost you" cap space really are net savings in a big picture. The cap hits year over year are pretty fungible so there's almost always ways to move around dead hits without increasing guarantees.

 

Basically if you can get out of unearned cash payments, these moves always save cap. If you cant get out of new cash payments, they don't.

 

So if he's traded (rather than cut), the new team takes the cap hit on guaranteed but not-paid-yet money, right? That would be his 2021 salary, $1m of his 2022 salary, and a 2022 $4m roster bonus.

 

 

Also, if Trubisky manages to stay healthy and play these last two games, we avoided any of his escalator clauses.

 

Was just looking at his escalators. Foles has to be pretty close to that 50% playing time. He has 7 starts and a quarter of the Falcons game. It’s based on snaps so that could already be pretty close to 50% when all said and done. Best to just make sure Nick doesn’t get anymore snaps this year.

 

Edit: just looked it up. Foles has taken 488/924 snaps (52.8% YTD). 53 more Foles-less snaps and were good.

Edited December 21, 2020 by ChiCubsFan

[WrigleyField 22]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how the dead cap hit works, but if you trade Foles, doesn't he actually cost you *more* cap space next year than if you keep him?

In a trade you don't pick up the guaranteed salary hits, just pro-rations from bonuses. So theres 5M in guaranteed 2021 (4) and 2022 (1) the new team picks up. Bears just eat the signing bonus pro-ration from signing bonus from the restructure.

 

In a cut, the Bears eat that pro ration and the guarantee base salaries.

 

I'm admittedly starting to go on a bit of a "the base salaries are all that matters crusade.". The signing bonuses are all sunk costs and you don't want to fall into a sunk cost fallacy with your decision making. So even moves that people say "cost you" cap space really are net savings in a big picture. The cap hits year over year are pretty fungible so there's almost always ways to move around dead hits without increasing guarantees.

 

Basically if you can get out of unearned cash payments, these moves always save cap. If you cant get out of new cash payments, they don't.

 

So if he's traded (rather than cut), the new team takes the cap hit on guaranteed but not-paid-yet money, right? That would be his 2021 salary, $1m of his 2022 salary, and a 2022 $4m roster bonus.

 

 

Also, if Trubisky manages to stay healthy and play these last two games, we avoided any of his escalator clauses.

Yep. I think that roster bonus for 2022 isn't earned until next year though.

[raw]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how the dead cap hit works, but if you trade Foles, doesn't he actually cost you *more* cap space next year than if you keep him?

In a trade you don't pick up the guaranteed salary hits, just pro-rations from bonuses. So theres 5M in guaranteed 2021 (4) and 2022 (1) the new team picks up. Bears just eat the signing bonus pro-ration from signing bonus from the restructure.

 

In a cut, the Bears eat that pro ration and the guarantee base salaries.

 

I'm admittedly starting to go on a bit of a "the base salaries are all that matters crusade.". The signing bonuses are all sunk costs and you don't want to fall into a sunk cost fallacy with your decision making. So even moves that people say "cost you" cap space really are net savings in a big picture. The cap hits year over year are pretty fungible so there's almost always ways to move around dead hits without increasing guarantees.

 

Basically if you can get out of unearned cash payments, these moves always save cap. If you cant get out of new cash payments, they don't.

 

So if he's traded (rather than cut), the new team takes the cap hit on guaranteed but not-paid-yet money, right? That would be his 2021 salary, $1m of his 2022 salary, and a 2022 $4m roster bonus.

 

 

Also, if Trubisky manages to stay healthy and play these last two games, we avoided any of his escalator clauses.

 

Yes. Here's how the Foles contract breaks down for the Bears concerns.

 

If a Bear in 2021: Bears 6.67M cap hit (4M salary, 2.67 signing bonus).

If traded: Bears 5.33M cap hit (sum of 2 years of remaining signing bonus already paid 2.666M + 2.666M)

If cut pre June 1: Bears 10.33M cap hit (though there may be some offset language that cuts the Bears' hit by whatever another team signs him for

If cut post-June 1: 7.67M cap hit

 

So, basically it only costs 1M to cut Foles w/ a June 1 designation.

[jersey cubs fan]

Wasn't the story that Foles was on the verge of retirement before coming back a couple years ago? Maybe he wants to retire after losing his job to Mitchell Freaking Trubisky.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Wasn't the story that Foles was on the verge of retirement before coming back a couple years ago? Maybe he wants to retire after losing his job to Mitchell Freaking Trubisky.

 

The man has lost jobs to Gardner Minshew and Case Keenum. He's gotta be used to it by now.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Is "run it back" a common phrase for sports teams? All of a sudden I'm seeing it everywhere.

 

Because "tanking" and "blowing it up" has become common phrases for sports teams.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I have no idea what to think anymore about this team. So much has changed multiple times this season. I think it's pretty safe to say the Pace, Nagy and Mitch still aren't going to lead this team to a championship and consistent playoff contention, but do you actually get rid of them all? I think most assume if they make the playoffs, you run it back. But does Trubisky want to come back? What's even his market? I was thinking he'd be in the Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick range (2 years/$11Mil). But he's younger than both with some upside still in there. So, does he get the Mariota deal (2/$19M)? Does he get more? After all, Mariota lost his job, never got it back, and his replacement went on to play at an MVP level since.

 

But all of a sudden, Nagy's decision making is looking good with him giving up the playcalling. Pace's roster moves are looking good, with 3 starters from the 2020 draft, 2 UDFAs playing well on the OL, and Ifedi being one of the more stable parts of the OL this season.

 

But what if they don't make the playoffs? They'll beat the Jags next week. But what if they lose to the Packers and miss? What if they get embarrassed again? Do you fire a coach who never had a losing record and is 8 games over .500 in 3 years? Do you let the GM have another shot at a QB?

 

This is a weird situation where if they want to run it back, they might not have the QB on board with them. Either way, we still aren't close to being sure if this is the right GM, coach or QB. If they don't run it back, they end on somewhat of a hot streak where players and coaches may be figuring this thing out. It's so Bears to get in a "damned if you do/don't" situation.

 

That's pretty much where I am. The emergence of the interior OL, Trubisky and Montgomery is objectively a good thing, but it's somehow made the future of the team even less clear. It's cemented the mediocrity hell even harder.

 

I like rooting for Trubisky. I like the idea of sticking with a QB we've drafted. I think he's shown he's better than Foles, and that he's capable of being serviceable if the rest of the offense isn't a tire-fire (and apparently Nagy's playcalling was a problem).

 

But that just makes things even more awkward, because 1) he's still not the Franchise QB we want and 2) He's not under contract and Foles is, and Foles' contract was backloaded to hell. We're already in enough of a cap space crunch as it is without trying to figure out how we're going to make room for Mitchy T.

 

The defense looks old and thin, and we knew going into the season the defense looked old and thin, and it's not gonna get less old and thin next year.

 

We're in a really awkward spot because I don't think we have an gaping holes. There's no wildly sub-replacement units that we can fix and suddenly get way better. It's just a raging sea of mediocrity all across the roster, and not a lot of cap space to fix it.

 

I guess maybe you just run it back, try to have a good draft, and figure out where you are after next year?

 

If you resign Trubisky, you can draft EDGE or WR in the 1st round, depending on who is there. That frees up letting Arob go or trading Mack. If you draft OL, you will likely have to bring Arob back. Or, you simply BPA the pick

 

I guess the point is if Trubisky plays himself into a new contract you have more options than if he flat out sucked and you HAVE to draft QB in the 1st.

 

I’m really not in the mood to draft a linebacker.

 

My preferences for the first round would be o-line, QB, WR

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I have no idea what to think anymore about this team. So much has changed multiple times this season. I think it's pretty safe to say the Pace, Nagy and Mitch still aren't going to lead this team to a championship and consistent playoff contention, but do you actually get rid of them all? I think most assume if they make the playoffs, you run it back. But does Trubisky want to come back? What's even his market? I was thinking he'd be in the Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick range (2 years/$11Mil). But he's younger than both with some upside still in there. So, does he get the Mariota deal (2/$19M)? Does he get more? After all, Mariota lost his job, never got it back, and his replacement went on to play at an MVP level since.

 

But all of a sudden, Nagy's decision making is looking good with him giving up the playcalling. Pace's roster moves are looking good, with 3 starters from the 2020 draft, 2 UDFAs playing well on the OL, and Ifedi being one of the more stable parts of the OL this season.

 

But what if they don't make the playoffs? They'll beat the Jags next week. But what if they lose to the Packers and miss? What if they get embarrassed again? Do you fire a coach who never had a losing record and is 8 games over .500 in 3 years? Do you let the GM have another shot at a QB?

 

This is a weird situation where if they want to run it back, they might not have the QB on board with them. Either way, we still aren't close to being sure if this is the right GM, coach or QB. If they don't run it back, they end on somewhat of a hot streak where players and coaches may be figuring this thing out. It's so Bears to get in a "damned if you do/don't" situation.

 

That's pretty much where I am. The emergence of the interior OL, Trubisky and Montgomery is objectively a good thing, but it's somehow made the future of the team even less clear. It's cemented the mediocrity hell even harder.

 

I like rooting for Trubisky. I like the idea of sticking with a QB we've drafted. I think he's shown he's better than Foles, and that he's capable of being serviceable if the rest of the offense isn't a tire-fire (and apparently Nagy's playcalling was a problem).

 

But that just makes things even more awkward, because 1) he's still not the Franchise QB we want and 2) He's not under contract and Foles is, and Foles' contract was backloaded to hell. We're already in enough of a cap space crunch as it is without trying to figure out how we're going to make room for Mitchy T.

 

The defense looks old and thin, and we knew going into the season the defense looked old and thin, and it's not gonna get less old and thin next year.

 

We're in a really awkward spot because I don't think we have an gaping holes. There's no wildly sub-replacement units that we can fix and suddenly get way better. It's just a raging sea of mediocrity all across the roster, and not a lot of cap space to fix it.

 

I guess maybe you just run it back, try to have a good draft, and figure out where you are after next year?

 

If you resign Trubisky, you can draft EDGE or WR in the 1st round, depending on who is there. That frees up letting Arob go or trading Mack. If you draft OL, you will likely have to bring Arob back. Or, you simply BPA the pick

 

I guess the point is if Trubisky plays himself into a new contract you have more options than if he flat out sucked and you HAVE to draft QB in the 1st.

 

OTs are still the biggest weakness on offense. And that's before you consider they might cut Massie or even Leno for cap savings so I'm really hopeful they address OT in the first round if they can't get an adequately-rated QB.

[gflore34]

 

That's pretty much where I am. The emergence of the interior OL, Trubisky and Montgomery is objectively a good thing, but it's somehow made the future of the team even less clear. It's cemented the mediocrity hell even harder.

 

I like rooting for Trubisky. I like the idea of sticking with a QB we've drafted. I think he's shown he's better than Foles, and that he's capable of being serviceable if the rest of the offense isn't a tire-fire (and apparently Nagy's playcalling was a problem).

 

But that just makes things even more awkward, because 1) he's still not the Franchise QB we want and 2) He's not under contract and Foles is, and Foles' contract was backloaded to hell. We're already in enough of a cap space crunch as it is without trying to figure out how we're going to make room for Mitchy T.

 

The defense looks old and thin, and we knew going into the season the defense looked old and thin, and it's not gonna get less old and thin next year.

 

We're in a really awkward spot because I don't think we have an gaping holes. There's no wildly sub-replacement units that we can fix and suddenly get way better. It's just a raging sea of mediocrity all across the roster, and not a lot of cap space to fix it.

 

I guess maybe you just run it back, try to have a good draft, and figure out where you are after next year?

 

If you resign Trubisky, you can draft EDGE or WR in the 1st round, depending on who is there. That frees up letting Arob go or trading Mack. If you draft OL, you will likely have to bring Arob back. Or, you simply BPA the pick

 

I guess the point is if Trubisky plays himself into a new contract you have more options than if he flat out sucked and you HAVE to draft QB in the 1st.

 

I’m really not in the mood to draft a linebacker.

 

My preferences for the first round would be o-line, QB, WR

 

Don't think OL is also a good choice?

 

Seems Lawrence is looked upon as a franchise QB, is there someone else flying under the radar who might emerge as a franchise QB?

[WrigleyField 22]

 

That's pretty much where I am. The emergence of the interior OL, Trubisky and Montgomery is objectively a good thing, but it's somehow made the future of the team even less clear. It's cemented the mediocrity hell even harder.

 

I like rooting for Trubisky. I like the idea of sticking with a QB we've drafted. I think he's shown he's better than Foles, and that he's capable of being serviceable if the rest of the offense isn't a tire-fire (and apparently Nagy's playcalling was a problem).

 

But that just makes things even more awkward, because 1) he's still not the Franchise QB we want and 2) He's not under contract and Foles is, and Foles' contract was backloaded to hell. We're already in enough of a cap space crunch as it is without trying to figure out how we're going to make room for Mitchy T.

 

The defense looks old and thin, and we knew going into the season the defense looked old and thin, and it's not gonna get less old and thin next year.

 

We're in a really awkward spot because I don't think we have an gaping holes. There's no wildly sub-replacement units that we can fix and suddenly get way better. It's just a raging sea of mediocrity all across the roster, and not a lot of cap space to fix it.

 

I guess maybe you just run it back, try to have a good draft, and figure out where you are after next year?

 

If you resign Trubisky, you can draft EDGE or WR in the 1st round, depending on who is there. That frees up letting Arob go or trading Mack. If you draft OL, you will likely have to bring Arob back. Or, you simply BPA the pick

 

I guess the point is if Trubisky plays himself into a new contract you have more options than if he flat out sucked and you HAVE to draft QB in the 1st.

 

I’m really not in the mood to draft a linebacker.

 

My preferences for the first round would be o-line, QB, WR

I generally hate narrowing down on the first round. Just get the best players you can. Obviously positional value plays some role if you're talking QB v ILB, but I can come up with needs anywhere on the roster basically.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

If you resign Trubisky, you can draft EDGE or WR in the 1st round, depending on who is there. That frees up letting Arob go or trading Mack. If you draft OL, you will likely have to bring Arob back. Or, you simply BPA the pick

 

I guess the point is if Trubisky plays himself into a new contract you have more options than if he flat out sucked and you HAVE to draft QB in the 1st.

 

I’m really not in the mood to draft a linebacker.

 

My preferences for the first round would be o-line, QB, WR

I generally hate narrowing down on the first round. Just get the best players you can. Obviously positional value plays some role if you're talking QB v ILB, but I can come up with needs anywhere on the roster basically.

 

I’m talking almost from a fun perspective. BPA is probably the right play if you’re min-maxing but i am so tired of defense.

 

You’re right about basically the entire roster being replaceable with a good first round pick. The only position I would really blink at drafting someone is TE, where Kmet seems to have it locked down

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Anyone else high on Kyle Trask? I would love to pick him up if he’s available. If not I hope the Bears go OT in the first round.

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If you resign Trubisky, you can draft EDGE or WR in the 1st round, depending on who is there. That frees up letting Arob go or trading Mack. If you draft OL, you will likely have to bring Arob back. Or, you simply BPA the pick

 

I guess the point is if Trubisky plays himself into a new contract you have more options than if he flat out sucked and you HAVE to draft QB in the 1st.

 

I’m really not in the mood to draft a linebacker.

 

My preferences for the first round would be o-line, QB, WR

I generally hate narrowing down on the first round. Just get the best players you can. Obviously positional value plays some role if you're talking QB v ILB, but I can come up with needs anywhere on the roster basically.

 

 

yea, I'm BPA, but mainly at 3-6 positions; OT, EDGE/DT, WR, QB and DB

[minnesotacubsfan]

Anyone else high on Kyle Trask? I would love to pick him up if he’s available. If not I hope the Bears go OT in the first round.

 

not in the first. 2nd, 3rd maybe