Week 13: Detroit Lions @ Chicago BEARS

[minnesotacubsfan]

How the heck are we only in line for the 13th pick? That's crazy.

 

They inexplicably started 5-1.

 

 

I was pointing this out earlier in this thread (I think), there are a ton of bad teams this year. Granted, there are more games to settle things out, chances are the Bears do better then most

[UMFan83]

How the heck are we only in line for the 13th pick? That's crazy.

 

They inexplicably started 5-1.

 

 

I was pointing this out earlier in this thread (I think), there are a ton of bad teams this year. Granted, there are more games to settle things out, chances are the Bears do better then most

 

There is only 3 teams I see us having no shot to pass (JAX, NYJ, CIN). All the other teams are 3-8, 4-8 or tied at 5-7. A lot of these teams have games against each other too, and the Bears themselves have an opportunity to leap over Houston themselves. Presuming no ties, I think the worst the Bears could do (not officially just a guess based on the schedules) is pick 9th if they finish 5-11. I don't think the Bears will finish 5-11 though, they will win at least 1 more which sucks.

 

Like I said earlier, most mock drafts have the top 4 QBs going in the top 10. I actually really like all 4 of them so I really want to be in position for one.

[WrigleyField 22]

Don't underestimate the difference a new coach (scheme) and QB can make.

 

The Cards went from last to 16th in offense by adding just Kingsbury/Murray before the 2019 season. That was pretty much all they did offensively other than lateral moves with scrap heap guys at TE, RG, and RT. They added Hopkins this year and went to top 10.

 

The Niners went from 30th in offense to 20th just by hiring Shanahan, and their QB went from Kaepernick/Gabbert to Hoyer/Beathard and 5 games of Jimmy G to end the year. When Shanahan had a healthy QB of his choosing, his offense was #2 last year and obviously went to the SB.

 

Now granted, the Bears aren't going to hire an elite college play designer or the top NFL offensive mind on the market this offseason and won't have the #1 pick. But don't underestimate how far competence can go. Jimmy G is clearly just competent at best. Murray is a dynamic talent, but his numbers as a rookie were not world beating. And non-spectacular candidates like Brian Daboll (Buf) and Arthur Smith (Ten) are putting together strong offenses while developing/fixing QBs. One of those types + Wilson/Lance in this draft could put this offense near the middle of the pack. If the defense decides actually doesn't quit next year, they'll be in position to win a decent amount of games even with guys a year older.

Yea I think a lot of small positive changes or small negative changes seemingly have a way of cascading. Flip the easy negative things you can first and be prepared to pounce on the BIG game changers when they come up, like drafting a potential franchise QB.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

They inexplicably started 5-1.

 

 

I was pointing this out earlier in this thread (I think), there are a ton of bad teams this year. Granted, there are more games to settle things out, chances are the Bears do better then most

 

There is only 3 teams I see us having no shot to pass (JAX, NYJ, CIN). All the other teams are 3-8, 4-8 or tied at 5-7. A lot of these teams have games against each other too, and the Bears themselves have an opportunity to leap over Houston themselves. Presuming no ties, I think the worst the Bears could do (not officially just a guess based on the schedules) is pick 9th if they finish 5-11. I don't think the Bears will finish 5-11 though, they will win at least 1 more which sucks.

 

Like I said earlier, most mock drafts have the top 4 QBs going in the top 10. I actually really like all 4 of them so I really want to be in position for one.

I know it doesn't work this simply, but if you go to the NFL playoff machine and just chose Win% you end up with 10+ 5 win teams or worse. Sure one or two could outplay their record the rest of the way, but it doesn't seem promising to vault into the top 10 at 5-11 unless you win the SoS tiebreaker (not sure where the Bears will fall there).

 

Those "projected" 5 win or worse teams;

Jets, Chargers, Broncos, Bengals, Jaguars, Texans, Cowboys, Eagles, Lions, Panthers, Falcons. Bears actually going 5-11 flips Houston above them likely. So that helps. But there's a big glut around that 4 or 5 win mark that will be tough to pass.

[minnesotacubsfan]

If you aren't in the top 10, I think you have to look away from QB in the first round. But Pence being Pence will trade up to draft the BYU guy (my #4) ahead of Lance

 

 

#doomboner

[raw]

I think the cap is going to be relatively flat for 2021. The 175M number that's being thrown around is a worst case scenario number. I think the NFL will look at the possibility of a vaccine, ability to fill stadiums at least close to capacity, and the pending TV deal as reasons to not go worst case scenario with the cap. Also, there are a few teams that may literally not be able to get down to that number (Saints, Eagles, I believe are the main two), and that means a TON of veterans will either be out of the league or take massive pay cuts, which will lessen the competitiveness of the league.

 

So, I think you're looking at 190-195M cap.

 

I probably wouldn't blow anything up. I don't like the thought of moving more Mack money into the future. I probably keep Hicks (and his 12M cap hit). I'm not trading him for a 5th (maybe a mid-to-high 4th), but I'm also not big on extending him just to lower his cap hit for 2021. I probably franchise Robinson, without even looking to sign him long-term until I know how everything else will shake out. If he makes a big stink, then you trade him close to the season.

 

Fuller has a 20M cap hit, with 11M dead. He's an easy restructure candidate. I'd probably sign him to the same deal as Darius Slay (same age, similar level player). Slay got a 3/50.5 extension. His cap number was lowered to 4.3 for this year (15.75, 19.75, 20.75 the next 3). You don't have to lower Fuller that much, but 3/50.5 extension would make his deal 4/59.5 (Slay 4/60.5). Could structure his cap hits 8M, 15M, 17M, 19M and the last year would be not be fully guaranteed. Would save you 12M in 2021 space.

 

Fuller restructure, 6-8M carryover, Skrine, Graham and Massie cuts give you about 35M in space. Robinson franchise tag leaves you 19M or so. I'd also do the Leno paycut thing that they did to Kyle Long (and Minnesota did to Riley Reiff). Obviously, he's not willing....you cut him June 1 and save another 6Mil.

 

Use the remaining FA money on veteran players on the OL and DL, and bringing back cheap depth guys like Bush, DHC, Urban, etc. Draft a QB with the first pick (I'd trade up if I had to, but not trading a future 1). Draft OT (deep draft) in the 2nd. More OL or WR in the 3rd if you don't have to use this pick to trade up.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

They inexplicably started 5-1.

 

 

I was pointing this out earlier in this thread (I think), there are a ton of bad teams this year. Granted, there are more games to settle things out, chances are the Bears do better then most

 

There is only 3 teams I see us having no shot to pass (JAX, NYJ, CIN). All the other teams are 3-8, 4-8 or tied at 5-7. A lot of these teams have games against each other too, and the Bears themselves have an opportunity to leap over Houston themselves. Presuming no ties, I think the worst the Bears could do (not officially just a guess based on the schedules) is pick 9th if they finish 5-11. I don't think the Bears will finish 5-11 though, they will win at least 1 more which sucks.

 

Like I said earlier, most mock drafts have the top 4 QBs going in the top 10. I actually really like all 4 of them so I really want to be in position for one.

 

Think big, mathematically, they can still get the #2 pick.

[raw]

To add on to the HC/QB making a difference point.....man, the bar for competent QB play is so low. It's really ridiculous the Bears perpetually fail to get there. Sure it would have been ideal to just pick Watson or Mahomes, but having a QB that great isn't even necessary to have a decent offense. Half the league has mediocrity at QB and are doing just fine. You can't convince me the Bears can't figure out a way to get QB play like Baker Mayfield, prime Alex Smith, or hell, even Taysom Hill is running a respectable offense right now. This horsefeathers shouldn't be so hard.

[minnesotacubsfan]

To add on to the HC/QB making a difference point.....man, the bar for competent QB play is so low. It's really ridiculous the Bears perpetually fail to get there. Sure it would have been ideal to just pick Watson or Mahomes, but having a QB that great isn't even necessary to have a decent offense. Half the league has mediocrity at QB and are doing just fine. You can't convince me the Bears can't figure out a way to get QB play like Baker Mayfield, prime Alex Smith, or hell, even Taysom Hill is running a respectable offense right now. This horsefeathers shouldn't be so hard.

 

Mayfield has 1st round talent all around him, as does Hill.

 

Smith was a #1 pick

[WrigleyField 22]

I think the cap is going to be relatively flat for 2021. The 175M number that's being thrown around is a worst case scenario number. I think the NFL will look at the possibility of a vaccine, ability to fill stadiums at least close to capacity, and the pending TV deal as reasons to not go worst case scenario with the cap. Also, there are a few teams that may literally not be able to get down to that number (Saints, Eagles, I believe are the main two), and that means a TON of veterans will either be out of the league or take massive pay cuts, which will lessen the competitiveness of the league.

 

So, I think you're looking at 190-195M cap.

 

I probably wouldn't blow anything up. I don't like the thought of moving more Mack money into the future. I probably keep Hicks (and his 12M cap hit). I'm not trading him for a 5th (maybe a mid-to-high 4th), but I'm also not big on extending him just to lower his cap hit for 2021. I probably franchise Robinson, without even looking to sign him long-term until I know how everything else will shake out. If he makes a big stink, then you trade him close to the season.

 

Fuller has a 20M cap hit, with 11M dead. He's an easy restructure candidate. I'd probably sign him to the same deal as Darius Slay (same age, similar level player). Slay got a 3/50.5 extension. His cap number was lowered to 4.3 for this year (15.75, 19.75, 20.75 the next 3). You don't have to lower Fuller that much, but 3/50.5 extension would make his deal 4/59.5 (Slay 4/60.5). Could structure his cap hits 8M, 15M, 17M, 19M and the last year would be not be fully guaranteed. Would save you 12M in 2021 space.

 

Fuller restructure, 6-8M carryover, Skrine, Graham and Massie cuts give you about 35M in space. Robinson franchise tag leaves you 19M or so. I'd also do the Leno paycut thing that they did to Kyle Long (and Minnesota did to Riley Reiff). Obviously, he's not willing....you cut him June 1 and save another 6Mil.

 

Use the remaining FA money on veteran players on the OL and DL, and bringing back cheap depth guys like Bush, DHC, Urban, etc. Draft a QB with the first pick (I'd trade up if I had to, but not trading a future 1). Draft OT (deep draft) in the 2nd. More OL or WR in the 3rd if you don't have to use this pick to trade up.

The cap even being 195 would ease up a ton. I'd still probably look into accelerating some of the dead hits coming their way and not make any big splashes in FA for a year. A little detox, I guess you could say.

[raw]

To add on to the HC/QB making a difference point.....man, the bar for competent QB play is so low. It's really ridiculous the Bears perpetually fail to get there. Sure it would have been ideal to just pick Watson or Mahomes, but having a QB that great isn't even necessary to have a decent offense. Half the league has mediocrity at QB and are doing just fine. You can't convince me the Bears can't figure out a way to get QB play like Baker Mayfield, prime Alex Smith, or hell, even Taysom Hill is running a respectable offense right now. This horsefeathers shouldn't be so hard.

 

Mayfield has 1st round talent all around him, as does Hill.

 

Smith was a #1 pick

 

Yeah, I get that. But there's also Garoppolo, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray run good offenses without great throwing ability, Jared Goff (another #1 pick that hasn't lived up to billing), Bridgewater, Tannehill, etc. Even guys like Brees, Brady and Rivers aren't great anymore. Like 3 of these teams have more talent around them, but most of these guys are borderline average QBs who are leading offenses that run circles around the Bears.

[minnesotacubsfan]

To add on to the HC/QB making a difference point.....man, the bar for competent QB play is so low. It's really ridiculous the Bears perpetually fail to get there. Sure it would have been ideal to just pick Watson or Mahomes, but having a QB that great isn't even necessary to have a decent offense. Half the league has mediocrity at QB and are doing just fine. You can't convince me the Bears can't figure out a way to get QB play like Baker Mayfield, prime Alex Smith, or hell, even Taysom Hill is running a respectable offense right now. This horsefeathers shouldn't be so hard.

 

Mayfield has 1st round talent all around him, as does Hill.

 

Smith was a #1 pick

 

Yeah, I get that. But there's also Garoppolo, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray run good offenses without great throwing ability, Jared Goff (another #1 pick that hasn't lived up to billing), Bridgewater, Tannehill, etc. Even guys like Brees, Brady and Rivers aren't great anymore. Like 3 of these teams have more talent around them, but most of these guys are borderline average QBs who are leading offenses that run circles around the Bears.

 

 

how many of those teams have offensive lines that are built with talent better then 7th rd picks? my point is this (and why I hate trading up for a QB): you an either draft a once in a lifetime QB (good luck) or you can surround a QB with talent with even better or equal talent. I just don't think the Bears can afford to trade up.

[minnesotacubsfan]

To add on to the HC/QB making a difference point.....man, the bar for competent QB play is so low. It's really ridiculous the Bears perpetually fail to get there. Sure it would have been ideal to just pick Watson or Mahomes, but having a QB that great isn't even necessary to have a decent offense. Half the league has mediocrity at QB and are doing just fine. You can't convince me the Bears can't figure out a way to get QB play like Baker Mayfield, prime Alex Smith, or hell, even Taysom Hill is running a respectable offense right now. This horsefeathers shouldn't be so hard.

 

Mayfield has 1st round talent all around him, as does Hill.

 

Smith was a #1 pick

 

Yeah, I get that. But there's also Garoppolo, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray run good offenses without great throwing ability, Jared Goff (another #1 pick that hasn't lived up to billing), Bridgewater, Tannehill, etc. Even guys like Brees, Brady and Rivers aren't great anymore. Like 3 of these teams have more talent around them, but most of these guys are borderline average QBs who are leading offenses that run circles around the Bears.

 

also lol @ Jones

[raw]

 

Mayfield has 1st round talent all around him, as does Hill.

 

Smith was a #1 pick

 

Yeah, I get that. But there's also Garoppolo, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray run good offenses without great throwing ability, Jared Goff (another #1 pick that hasn't lived up to billing), Bridgewater, Tannehill, etc. Even guys like Brees, Brady and Rivers aren't great anymore. Like 3 of these teams have more talent around them, but most of these guys are borderline average QBs who are leading offenses that run circles around the Bears.

 

 

how many of those teams have offensive lines that are built with talent better then 7th rd picks? my point is this (and why I hate trading up for a QB): you an either draft a once in a lifetime QB (good luck) or you can surround a QB with talent with even better or equal talent. I just don't think the Bears can afford to trade up.

 

The Bears OL to start the season was a 1st rounder, 2 2nd rounders, a 4th rounder, and a 7th. Granted that 1st rounder was a failed pick playing a new position, but they paid both their tackles good money, paid their C, and used a 2nd round pick on a guard.

 

Also, what you say isn't really true. SF doesn't have receiver weapons (outside of Kittle, who was a 5th round pick), they had a UDFA RB leading them to the SB. Ravens probably have the worst WR group in the league. Arizona's weapons were pretty bad until they traded for Drake and Hopkins and they still were the 16th offense. OL isn't great either. Goff doesn't have amazing weapons or OL. Titans lost their best 2 OL (both tackles) to injury early on and free agency before the season. Only the Saints and Browns really fit into a team surrounding their QB with great talent.

 

What these teams have is a great scheme that plays to their strengths. I'm not even completely unconvinced a good enough coach couldn't scheme to Trubisky and Foles' strengths. It looked like Nagy was doing that with Trubisky and a coach actually won a SB with Foles.

 

And they can afford to trade up for a QB. What they can't afford to do is pick the wrong QB.

[UK]

I'll probably change this 1000x before they actually fire Pace/Nagy and this won't happen but...

 

My ideal scenario would be to raid the Colts..

 

Throw the sink at Chris Ballard to become Team President.

 

Ed Dobbs-GM

Matt Eberflus-HC

Marcus Brady-OC

Dave Borgonzi-DC

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Yeah, I get that. But there's also Garoppolo, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray run good offenses without great throwing ability, Jared Goff (another #1 pick that hasn't lived up to billing), Bridgewater, Tannehill, etc. Even guys like Brees, Brady and Rivers aren't great anymore. Like 3 of these teams have more talent around them, but most of these guys are borderline average QBs who are leading offenses that run circles around the Bears.

 

 

how many of those teams have offensive lines that are built with talent better then 7th rd picks? my point is this (and why I hate trading up for a QB): you an either draft a once in a lifetime QB (good luck) or you can surround a QB with talent with even better or equal talent. I just don't think the Bears can afford to trade up.

 

The Bears OL to start the season was a 1st rounder, 2 2nd rounders, a 4th rounder, and a 7th. Granted that 1st rounder was a failed pick playing a new position, but they paid both their tackles good money, paid their C, and used a 2nd round pick on a guard.

 

Also, what you say isn't really true. SF doesn't have receiver weapons (outside of Kittle, who was a 5th round pick), they had a UDFA RB leading them to the SB. Ravens probably have the worst WR group in the league. Arizona's weapons were pretty bad until they traded for Drake and Hopkins and they still were the 16th offense. OL isn't great either. Goff doesn't have amazing weapons or OL. Titans lost their best 2 OL (both tackles) to injury early on and free agency before the season. Only the Saints and Browns really fit into a team surrounding their QB with great talent.

 

What these teams have is a great scheme that plays to their strengths. I'm not even completely unconvinced a good enough coach couldn't scheme to Trubisky and Foles' strengths. It looked like Nagy was doing that with Trubisky and a coach actually won a SB with Foles.

 

And they can afford to trade up for a QB. What they can't afford to do is pick the wrong QB.

 

THE TEAM LACKS DEPTH, AND THEY LACK DEPTH BECAUSE THEY'VE TRADED AWAY PICKS. THEY CANT AFFORD TO KEEP DOING THAT

 

sry capslock

 

 

eta: look at it this way, they don't have a #2 WR, no #2 RB, no #1 TE (there's hope for Kmet), and all of their OLine backups are 7th rd or UFA's. You know what helps a team fill out those backups at reasonable prices? draft picks. Sure, this off season could be different with the CAP being low, but you're just likely to get older players who will command more salary anyway

Edited December 7, 2020 by minnesotacubsfan

[jersey cubs fan]

I'll probably change this 1000x before they actually fire Pace/Nagy and this won't happen but...

 

My ideal scenario would be to raid the Colts..

 

Throw the sink at Chris Ballard to become Team President.

 

Ed Dobbs-GM

Matt Eberflus-HC

Marcus Brady-OC

Dave Borgonzi-DC

 

Is team president really a carrot with appeal in the NFL? How many team presidents are real working GMs under 60? Football people are egomaniacs that want to make the decisions about players. Most teams that are good eventually become a head coach centric organization. I don't really see the opportunity to give a current successful GM a promotion to take over football ops and then hand over those ops to a GM.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'll probably change this 1000x before they actually fire Pace/Nagy and this won't happen but...

 

My ideal scenario would be to raid the Colts..

 

Throw the sink at Chris Ballard to become Team President.

 

Ed Dobbs-GM

Matt Eberflus-HC

Marcus Brady-OC

Dave Borgonzi-DC

 

Is team president really a carrot with appeal in the NFL? How many team presidents are real working GMs under 60? Football people are egomaniacs that want to make the decisions about players. Most teams that are good eventually become a head coach centric organization. I don't really see the opportunity to give a current successful GM a promotion to take over football ops and then hand over those ops to a GM.

Yea, I think Indy could block that. It's basically just describing a GM with a fancy title. Maybe you could comp them to get him, but then they're not letting Dodds go along for the ride who they can make GM.

 

If I was going to make a call into a long shot, it'd probably be Schneider from Seattle. He's technically the number 2 to Carrol so I don't even think they can block it, though he does seem pretty content in.his gig and Carrol is the oldest head coach, so maybe he thinks this most recent contract extension is the last hurrah.

 

Rick Smith is an intriguing candidate from someone with experience. Maybe Rosman gets canned In Philly and he has a mixed record, but worth talking to.

 

Otherwise I think you're likely back in the VP of Player personnel track like Pace/Ballard were.

[WrigleyField 22]

Okay good cal raw, maybe the cap won't be 175M.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/06/optimism-emerges-regarding-2021-salary-cap/

 

The implicit part is that can growth probably will still lag a bit. So certain teams like the Saints who's cap management was reliant on large growths like they've had the past decade are probably still in a no win spot. Bears at least get some breathing room at 195 though. I still wouldn't go all in, but they could maybe do something like sign a young bigger money OL to stabilize the line. Perhaps could sign Arob or at least have the cap space to confidently try a tag and trade situation.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The flaws on this team are so much deeper than some of you guys think. This isn't a matter of just slap a couple band-aids on the black holes and get to winning.

 

Once Robinson leaves, I'm not sure there's a single legitimately above-average player anywhere on the offense.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The flaws on this team are so much deeper than some of you guys think. This isn't a matter of just slap a couple band-aids on the black holes and get to winning.

 

Once Robinson leaves, I'm not sure there's a single legitimately above-average player anywhere on the offense.

 

thats just blind doom-bonnerin'

 

the secondary has talent

the DL has talent (could use more)

Smith is a stud

when healthy, the interior OL is solid (Daniels and Whitehair are good)

 

Who knows about Miller. This should have been his break out year, with last year being pretty good. TE could be buttoned down for years with Kmet.

 

there are holes, and they are thin at most positions, but the team isnt a barren wasteland

[WrigleyField 22]

The flaws on this team are so much deeper than some of you guys think. This isn't a matter of just slap a couple band-aids on the black holes and get to winning.

 

Once Robinson leaves, I'm not sure there's a single legitimately above-average player anywhere on the offense.

Its a tough task, but multi year tanks (intentional or not) don't really have a track record for the NFL either. And sometimes teams do get it together quicker than expected.

 

So to me theres definitely a line where I don't have high expectations, but the right guy making the right moves is at least putting them into competition for the division by 2022, and a concerted multi year tank is dumb. With the average player arc just about every team is 2 years away from some component of their team being in shambles too. So, yea take some hits in 2021 is my plan, but then move on and keep building. Obviously they can get too aggressive too soon like trying another Mack type deal, but within reason they shouldn't be holding back by 2022 IMO.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

And they can afford to trade up for a QB. What they can't afford to do is pick the wrong QB.

 

THE TEAM LACKS DEPTH, AND THEY LACK DEPTH BECAUSE THEY'VE TRADED AWAY PICKS. THEY CANT AFFORD TO KEEP DOING THAT

 

sry capslock

 

 

eta: look at it this way, they don't have a #2 WR, no #2 RB, no #1 TE (there's hope for Kmet), and all of their OLine backups are 7th rd or UFA's. You know what helps a team fill out those backups at reasonable prices? draft picks. Sure, this off season could be different with the CAP being low, but you're just likely to get older players who will command more salary anyway

 

Raw is absolutely right. You can and should trade up for a game-changing QB, just have to get the pick right. No one is saying Kansas City (10th overall for 27 overall, a 3rd rounder and a 1st rounder the next year) or Houston (12 for 25 and a first rounder the next year) traded too much for Mahomes and Watson. Obviously they should avoid trading a first rounder but they shouldn't have to at their current trajectory.

 

They can and should backfill draft picks in other ways, yes (trade veterans, compensation picks, trade downs in non-QB scenarios). Also, if you don't have conviction on the QBs available, don't force one and work on filling the many other holes on the team. The Bears will probably get another chance at the top QBs in 2022.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

And they can afford to trade up for a QB. What they can't afford to do is pick the wrong QB.

 

THE TEAM LACKS DEPTH, AND THEY LACK DEPTH BECAUSE THEY'VE TRADED AWAY PICKS. THEY CANT AFFORD TO KEEP DOING THAT

 

sry capslock

 

 

eta: look at it this way, they don't have a #2 WR, no #2 RB, no #1 TE (there's hope for Kmet), and all of their OLine backups are 7th rd or UFA's. You know what helps a team fill out those backups at reasonable prices? draft picks. Sure, this off season could be different with the CAP being low, but you're just likely to get older players who will command more salary anyway

 

Raw is absolutely right. You can and should trade up for a game-changing QB, just have to get the pick right. No one is saying Kansas City (10th overall for 27 overall, a 3rd rounder and a 1st rounder the next year) or Houston (12 for 27 and a first rounder the next year) traded too much for Mahomes and Watson. Obviously they should avoid trading a first rounder but they shouldn't have to at their current trajectory.

 

They can and should backfill draft picks in other ways, yes (trade veterans, compensation picks, trade downs in non-QB scenarios). Also, if you don't have conviction on the QBs available, don't force one and work on filling the many other holes on the team. The Bears will probably get another chance at the top QBs in 2022.

Good post except the word conviction is hereby banned post-Pace era. That is a dirty word now lol.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

THE TEAM LACKS DEPTH, AND THEY LACK DEPTH BECAUSE THEY'VE TRADED AWAY PICKS. THEY CANT AFFORD TO KEEP DOING THAT

 

sry capslock

 

 

eta: look at it this way, they don't have a #2 WR, no #2 RB, no #1 TE (there's hope for Kmet), and all of their OLine backups are 7th rd or UFA's. You know what helps a team fill out those backups at reasonable prices? draft picks. Sure, this off season could be different with the CAP being low, but you're just likely to get older players who will command more salary anyway

 

Raw is absolutely right. You can and should trade up for a game-changing QB, just have to get the pick right. No one is saying Kansas City (10th overall for 27 overall, a 3rd rounder and a 1st rounder the next year) or Houston (12 for 27 and a first rounder the next year) traded too much for Mahomes and Watson. Obviously they should avoid trading a first rounder but they shouldn't have to at their current trajectory.

 

They can and should backfill draft picks in other ways, yes (trade veterans, compensation picks, trade downs in non-QB scenarios). Also, if you don't have conviction on the QBs available, don't force one and work on filling the many other holes on the team. The Bears will probably get another chance at the top QBs in 2022.

Good post except the word conviction is hereby banned post-Pace era. That is a dirty word now lol.

 

exactly

 

I'm not convinced Pence wont be around on draft day