Chicago Bears offseason

[Soul]

Re: Floyd. That was an incredibly weak draft. Only 2 of the next 10 picks after Floyd were starters for the team that drafted them in 2019.

 

The guys that were clearly much better picks than Floyd - Prescott, Michael Thomas, Tyreek Hill, etc - were picked so far after Floyd, it’s hard to blame the Bears for mis-scouting them when everyone else did, too.

 

Was Floyd a great pick? No. But he isn’t a “traded up for Mitch when they could’ve gotten Mahomes or Watson” type of disaster.

 

That's how I feel about it.

[Soul]

LOL.

 

Tim: you guys are too binary on picks success or failure.

 

Goony: not a hall of famer, F.

This is a dumb interpretation of what was said.

 

He was a top 10 pick and they release him because they felt the need to go into free agency to get an older guy to fill his spot. The pick is an absolute failure. If your first round pick isn't playing for you 5 years later, it's a huge failure that only an injury can excuse. This isn't the least bit controversial. It was a bad pick.

 

It was just a joke.

[jersey cubs fan]

Andy Dalton is available

[BigbadB]

Andy Dalton is available

 

I'd prefer Dalton and Foles competing in training camp over Trubisky, but I doubt that happens. I am interested in Kenny Stills for that burner WR.

[WrigleyField 22]

Andy Dalton is available

 

I'd prefer Dalton and Foles competing in training camp over Trubisky, but I doubt that happens. I am interested in Kenny Stills for that burner WR.

I'd go back in time, keep that 4th and sign Dalton now.

 

Kind of would like to bring in a UDFA QB as an alternative to a PS QB to Bray, but don't see the use in Dalton at this point, unless you're trying to just dump Mitch.

[BigbadB]

Andy Dalton is available

 

I'd prefer Dalton and Foles competing in training camp over Trubisky, but I doubt that happens. I am interested in Kenny Stills for that burner WR.

I'd go back in time, keep that 4th and sign Dalton now.

 

Kind of would like to bring in a UDFA QB as an alternative to a PS QB to Bray, but don't see the use in Dalton at this point, unless you're trying to just dump Mitch.

 

Dalton will get more than the Bears can offer anyway. I think Mitch is already done with this team, barring an injury or a complete meltdown worse than Trubisky's 2019. Sure, there's a competition going into camp. But it's a competition in the sense that Trubisky will need to beat out Foles to win the job. Maybe he does, but I doubt it. Motivation hasn't been Trubisky's problem. Inability to read defenses, be in tune with his receivers, make accurate throws and not panic under pressure, among other things.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

I'd prefer Dalton and Foles competing in training camp over Trubisky, but I doubt that happens. I am interested in Kenny Stills for that burner WR.

I'd go back in time, keep that 4th and sign Dalton now.

 

Kind of would like to bring in a UDFA QB as an alternative to a PS QB to Bray, but don't see the use in Dalton at this point, unless you're trying to just dump Mitch.

 

Dalton will get more than the Bears can offer anyway. I think Mitch is already done with this team, barring an injury or a complete meltdown worse than Trubisky's 2019. Sure, there's a competition going into camp. But it's a competition in the sense that Trubisky will need to beat out Foles to win the job. Maybe he does, but I doubt it. Motivation hasn't been Trubisky's problem. Inability to read defenses, be in tune with his receivers, make accurate throws and not panic under pressure, among other things.

Yea I'm counting on Foles to win the starting job, but then Mitch is the backup, which is a role his skill level is actually fine for, but theres no use then wasting additional cap on Dalton as well, unless you could Unload Mitch for like a conditional 5th rounder or something. They'll keep 2 QBs active with Bray on the PS.

[jersey cubs fan]

Ted Ginn, huh?

[minnesotacubsfan]

huh?

[raw]

Bears signed Ted Ginn Jr. This is an interesting move. I would think they would have done this move before the draft. I liked the thought of bringing in a veteran field stretcher to pair with Allen Robinson and have Anthony Miller in the slot. I probably would have preferred Demarcus Robinson (knows a variation of the offense) over 35-year old, Ginn. But I think this is a decent move. The Bears need to get the ball to Robinson (96 catches last year) and Miller (90 catch pace from weeks 11-16 last year when the QB was good) first and foremost. Graham gives them a reliable TE, in the sense that he'll actually be on the field and be a height mismatch. Cohen is still here to get a bunch of targets. They honestly only need a guy that can give them about 4 targets per game in a different area of the field (AKA down the field) than where everyone else operates.

 

No pressure on Mooney to come in and be the guy charged with keeping the defense honest down the field, which is good because he may not be ready for that role anyway, coming from a small school like Tulane. The role of the outside WR across from Robinson doesn't really fit Wims (who is too similar to Robinson in skillset) or Ridley (who is more of a slot guy) either. So, one of them will likely be the odd man out.

 

Overall, I think the Bears' offensive weapons are probably slightly above average. But if they get half decent QB play, they have the ability now to hit teams at all levels. Robinson in the intermediate-to-long game outside. Miller with 2-way go's short, intermediate, and occasionally deep from the slot. Graham up the seam. Cohen out of the backfield. And now Ginn deep. Then there are still the wildcards like Patterson, who can line up anywhere. Montgomery, who can really catch and is hard to deal with in the open field. And then whatever they get out of guys like Mooney, Ridley and Kmet.

[NOLA]

Meh, Tedd Ginn doesn't have the speed or quickness he once had, and his drops have become more and more of a problem in recent years. It says something that WR depth is still an issue in NO yet they didn't even offer him a contract. He's done.

[WrigleyField 22]

So Ginn, Wims, and Ridley likely competing for 2 spots, though you could keep 7 WR if the young guys force the issue, or if they're just fully treating Patterson as RB/returner.

[jersey cubs fan]

tashain gipson, safety from houston signed

[WrigleyField 22]

tashain gipson, safety from houston signed

Cool

[raw]

Meh, Tedd Ginn doesn't have the speed or quickness he once had, and his drops have become more and more of a problem in recent years. It says something that WR depth is still an issue in NO yet they didn't even offer him a contract. He's done.

 

Yeah, not as excited about this move as I was when he first signed. He dropped 7 passes last year, which was the same as Allen Robinson. Only issue was ARob had about 100 more targets. Dropped 7 of 37 catchable passes. That's not good.

[raw]

Gipson's solid though. Good pickup by the Bears. Roster at a full 90.

[BigbadB]

So Ginn, Wims, and Ridley likely competing for 2 spots, though you could keep 7 WR if the young guys force the issue, or if they're just fully treating Patterson as RB/returner.

 

I'm actually pretty pleased with this offseason. I'm surprised that they accomplished as much as they did without extending Robinson. Although I would like to see that get done soon. The offense looks a lot more dynamic than what they had last year.

[WrigleyField 22]

So Ginn, Wims, and Ridley likely competing for 2 spots, though you could keep 7 WR if the young guys force the issue, or if they're just fully treating Patterson as RB/returner.

 

I'm actually pretty pleased with this offseason. I'm surprised that they accomplished as much as they did without extending Robinson. Although I would like to see that get done soon. The offense looks a lot more dynamic than what they had last year.

I'm fairly pleased. OL still has me worried, so hopefully they get out to a better start than last year. And RB depth is still weak IMO. I think there's still some vet RBs out there and we have tons of junky TE and DB we could still free up a spot with. And I'd love a young PS QB as a lotto ticket instead of or in addition to Bray, but not holding my breath.

[raw]

So Ginn, Wims, and Ridley likely competing for 2 spots, though you could keep 7 WR if the young guys force the issue, or if they're just fully treating Patterson as RB/returner.

 

I'm actually pretty pleased with this offseason. I'm surprised that they accomplished as much as they did without extending Robinson. Although I would like to see that get done soon. The offense looks a lot more dynamic than what they had last year.

 

I don't know how I feel about the offseason. I like upgrading the pass rush from Floyd to Quinn, especially when possibly downgrading at CB. I've been calling for them to take a CB early (top 60) for years, so I like that they did that, even though it wasn't the pick I necessarily would have made. I like trying to open up the field offensively with a deep threat.

 

I don't like that so much of the 2020 offense seems to be predicated on "oh, we just struggled in 2019 because of position coaching and health". Injuries to Long and Burton did hurt the offense, but it already wasn't good enough. And their replacements seem to have been brought in based on the simple fact they stay healthy. Graham (at his age) isn't the talent that Burton is anymore, but he's stayed healthy. Ifedi is basically the bad version of Long we saw in 2019 and based on his history, isn't an upgrade other than he's been healthy for 16 games.

 

As for QB, I completely understand the resources it would take to truly upgrade from Trubisky. Just wasn't going to happen. So, I'm fine with taking 1 year to try to get one of them to take them to the playoffs. But I don't like hoping to find lightning in a bottle from 2 mediocre QBs while not seriously upgrading either the weapons or the line.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Meh, Tedd Ginn doesn't have the speed or quickness he once had, and his drops have become more and more of a problem in recent years. It says something that WR depth is still an issue in NO yet they didn't even offer him a contract. He's done.

 

Yeah, not as excited about this move as I was when he first signed. He dropped 7 passes last year, which was the same as Allen Robinson. Only issue was ARob had about 100 more targets. Dropped 7 of 37 catchable passes. That's not good.

His catch rate last year was right in line with his career rate really. Unfortunately drop% only goes back 2 years but just the year before it was half as much. I doubt a skill diminished that far, I'd bet it was more flukish. Overall I think it was a fine addition. Nothing more nothing less.

[jumbo]

So Ginn, Wims, and Ridley likely competing for 2 spots, though you could keep 7 WR if the young guys force the issue, or if they're just fully treating Patterson as RB/returner.

 

I wondered if this is part of the strategy at RB, not that I really want it to be.

 

Here's a question: Having declined the 5th year option for Mitch, if he signs a backup QB contract somewhere next year does he bring back a compensatory pick? Floyd didn't but that is because the Bears cut him after previously picking up the option year. I'm just not sure if declining the option eliminates the comp pick. I wouldn't think it does but the rules are not always intuitive

[WrigleyField 22]

So Ginn, Wims, and Ridley likely competing for 2 spots, though you could keep 7 WR if the young guys force the issue, or if they're just fully treating Patterson as RB/returner.

 

I wondered if this is part of the strategy at RB, not that I really want it to be.

 

Here's a question: Having declined the 5th year option for Mitch, if he signs a backup QB contract somewhere next year does he bring back a compensatory pick? Floyd didn't but that is because the Bears cut him after previously picking up the option year. I'm just not sure if declining the option eliminates the comp pick. I wouldn't think it does but the rules are not always intuitive

Yes by not exercising the option the comp pick is in play.

 

He'd have to get a decent deal though. He could sit out there like Winston did and ultimately sign after the comp pick period or for a low dollar amount.

[Derwood]

So Ginn, Wims, and Ridley likely competing for 2 spots, though you could keep 7 WR if the young guys force the issue, or if they're just fully treating Patterson as RB/returner.

 

I wondered if this is part of the strategy at RB, not that I really want it to be.

 

Here's a question: Having declined the 5th year option for Mitch, if he signs a backup QB contract somewhere next year does he bring back a compensatory pick? Floyd didn't but that is because the Bears cut him after previously picking up the option year. I'm just not sure if declining the option eliminates the comp pick. I wouldn't think it does but the rules are not always intuitive

 

If you believe my Madden franchise, Trubisky will sign a 5-year, $78 million deal with the Chargers this off season

[WrigleyField 22]

So Ginn, Wims, and Ridley likely competing for 2 spots, though you could keep 7 WR if the young guys force the issue, or if they're just fully treating Patterson as RB/returner.

 

I wondered if this is part of the strategy at RB, not that I really want it to be.

 

Its an interesting dilemma. I'm not sure Nall and Pierce are so noteworthy that you couldn't try and just hide them on the PS. Nall did play special teams last year, but if that spot, whether it's a RB or S or TE, is mainly a ST contributor only, would it really matter if CPatt was your 3rd active RB on game days, and if an injury occurs you're in basically the same spot you'd be.

 

That said, I'm also basing that around Nall and Pierce really being nothing special. There's still some semi interesting vet options they could look to add that would have a real chance to be part of a regular 3 man RB platoon.

[Southpaw19]

If you believe my Madden franchise, Trubisky will sign a 5-year, $78 million deal with the Chargers this off season

 

In my franchise, he's Tom Brady's replacement in New England. Jordan Howard ended up there too.