Chicago Bears offseason

[minnesotacubsfan]

This team is desperate for offensive line help and Pace continues to ignore it.

 

Why do I spend every season making excuses for this guy?

You can still get plenty of oline help in the 6th and 7th

Help me out on that one. What’s the likelihood of finding plenty of help this far in?

 

I’m trying to see it with Pace. I really am. But his picks consistently leave me befuddled.

If you aren’t drafting oline in the first 2 rounds, the talent level from 3-7 is far more consistant

[BigbadB]

Well I like the concept behind the Mooney trade at least. No idea about the player though.

 

I'm reading that all the Bears have left in this draft after the trade to pick Mooney is a 7th rounder, and it's not the 7th rounder they already had.

[WrigleyField 22]

Well I like the concept behind the Mooney trade at least. No idea about the player though.

What's the details on this trade?

[raw]

This team is desperate for offensive line help and Pace continues to ignore it.

 

Why do I spend every season making excuses for this guy?

You can still get plenty of oline help in the 6th and 7th

Help me out on that one. What’s the likelihood of finding plenty of help this far in?

 

I’m trying to see it with Pace. I really am. But his picks consistently leave me befuddled.

 

His picks in a general sense have been fine. He's drafted better than average overall. The issue is and has always been he missed the QB pick. Nothing else really matters. Seattle blows the draft every year by picking 3rd rounder in the 1st and still win 10+ because they hit on the QB.

[BigbadB]

Well I like the concept behind the Mooney trade at least. No idea about the player though.

What's the details on this trade?

 

What I'm reading is that the Bears gave up both 6ths and a 7th to move to 173 and they get a 7th.

[WrigleyField 22]

You can still get plenty of oline help in the 6th and 7th

Help me out on that one. What’s the likelihood of finding plenty of help this far in?

 

I’m trying to see it with Pace. I really am. But his picks consistently leave me befuddled.

 

His picks in a general sense have been fine. He's drafted better than average overall. The issue is and has always been he missed the QB pick. Nothing else really matters. Seattle blows the draft every year by picking 3rd rounder in the 1st and still win 10+ because they hit on the QB.

Well his 1st rounds in general have been. Floyd and Mitch at least he did swing for good positional value. White was a dumb pick always. Roquan is basically his only good 1st round pick and it's an arguably low value position for how high he was selected.

[jersey cubs fan]

Theres your burner wr, 4.38 40

Never heard of him, but here's a hype headline (no I haven't even read the article yet)

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/darnell-mooney-tulane-most-underrated-wr-2020-nfl-draft

[raw]

Well I like the concept behind the Mooney trade at least. No idea about the player though.

What's the details on this trade?

 

Both 6ths and the later 7th for the 5th and a slightly higher 7th.

 

Got 173, 227

Traded 196, 200, 233

[WrigleyField 22]

Well I like the concept behind the Mooney trade at least. No idea about the player though.

What's the details on this trade?

 

What I'm reading is that the Bears gave up both 6ths and a 7th to move to 173 and they get a 7th.

So a 3 for 2?

[UMFan83]

This team is desperate for offensive line help and Pace continues to ignore it.

 

Why do I spend every season making excuses for this guy?

 

Remember when Jerry Angelo went like 5 years without drafting an offensive lineman despite having the worst oline in the league? It’s like we’re back there again

[BigbadB]

What's the details on this trade?

 

What I'm reading is that the Bears gave up both 6ths and a 7th to move to 173 and they get a 7th.

So a 3 for 2?

 

Raw's post is a more accurate portrayal of the trade, but yeah.

[WrigleyField 22]

Well I like the concept behind the Mooney trade at least. No idea about the player though.

What's the details on this trade?

 

Both 6ths and the later 7th for the 5th and a slightly higher 7th.

 

Got 173, 227

Traded 196, 200, 233

Damn near equal based on the "traditional" chart. About negative 1.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Theres your burner wr, 4.38 40

Never heard of him, but here's a hype headline (no I haven't even read the article yet)

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/darnell-mooney-tulane-most-underrated-wr-2020-nfl-draft

Its almost as if he posts on nsbb

[UMFan83]

You can still get plenty of oline help in the 6th and 7th

Help me out on that one. What’s the likelihood of finding plenty of help this far in?

 

I’m trying to see it with Pace. I really am. But his picks consistently leave me befuddled.

 

His picks in a general sense have been fine. He's drafted better than average overall. The issue is and has always been he missed the QB pick. Nothing else really matters. Seattle blows the draft every year by picking 3rd rounder in the 1st and still win 10+ because they hit on the QB.

 

You really think he’s been better than average overall? If there’s anyone I trust about football on this forum it’s you but I can’t see it. I agree if the Bears drafted Maholmes instead of Trubisky and he developed to be as good he’d have nearly infinite job security but he didn’t. And he missed on White (yes I know injuries were a big reason but he was also someone who many said needed development), he missed on Floyd too. Smith has been a solid pick so 1 out of 4 in the first round.

 

Second round we have James Daniels, Anthony Miller, Adam Shaheen, Cody Whitehair and Eddie Goldman. Is that 2/5 or 3/5? So 3 or 4 out of his 9 picks in the first 2 rounds? Even with solid drafting later on it’s hard to be good when you hit on ~40% of your top 2 round picks.

[David]

Was Maholmes drafted in the same draft as Trubinsky?

[Soul]

I mean, a big part of why I was OK with the Mack deal was because someone else scouted a great player for him. I had little confidence he would actually hit on those 1st rounders.

[WrigleyField 22]

Was Maholmes drafted in the same draft as Trubinsky?

Yes, it's an alternate universe to ours where the Bears got Maholmes.

[UMFan83]

Was Maholmes drafted in the same draft as Trubinsky?

 

Haha I always spell it wrong whoops

[raw]

Help me out on that one. What’s the likelihood of finding plenty of help this far in?

 

I’m trying to see it with Pace. I really am. But his picks consistently leave me befuddled.

 

His picks in a general sense have been fine. He's drafted better than average overall. The issue is and has always been he missed the QB pick. Nothing else really matters. Seattle blows the draft every year by picking 3rd rounder in the 1st and still win 10+ because they hit on the QB.

 

You really think he’s been better than average overall? If there’s anyone I trust about football on this forum it’s you but I can’t see it. I agree if the Bears drafted Maholmes instead of Trubisky and he developed to be as good he’d have nearly infinite job security but he didn’t. And he missed on White (yes I know injuries were a big reason but he was also someone who many said needed development), he missed on Floyd too. Smith has been a solid pick so 1 out of 4 in the first round.

 

Second round we have James Daniels, Anthony Miller, Adam Shaheen, Cody Whitehair and Eddie Goldman. Is that 2/5 or 3/5? So 3 or 4 out of his 9 picks in the first 2 rounds? Even with solid drafting later on it’s hard to be good when you hit on ~40% of your top 2 round picks.

 

I wouldn't call Floyd a miss. Granted, I know he was a top 10 pick, but he's a solid NFL player. He does everything well accept his primary job, rush the passer. But he got cut and is going to make 10Mil this season. That's not a paycheck for a player I'd call a miss. Probably a C to C- type pick, which is not ideal, but it happens.

 

Those 2nd rounders are mostly hits. Anthony Miller is really good. He's had shoulder issues, but his biggest issue has been the QB. When Mitch was good last year (for 4-5 weeks late in the year), he was playing at a 100/1100 pace season. Good QB play and he's an 80 catch, 1000 yard guy in 2020. Daniels is decent too. This is probably a big year for him if he's a hit or miss, but he's shown enough to warrant a starting job this coming season.

 

Can't discount his mid round work either. Jackson (all pro), Amos (who's loss became Foles), Howard, Nichols, were all great picks.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

His picks in a general sense have been fine. He's drafted better than average overall. The issue is and has always been he missed the QB pick. Nothing else really matters. Seattle blows the draft every year by picking 3rd rounder in the 1st and still win 10+ because they hit on the QB.

 

You really think he’s been better than average overall? If there’s anyone I trust about football on this forum it’s you but I can’t see it. I agree if the Bears drafted Maholmes instead of Trubisky and he developed to be as good he’d have nearly infinite job security but he didn’t. And he missed on White (yes I know injuries were a big reason but he was also someone who many said needed development), he missed on Floyd too. Smith has been a solid pick so 1 out of 4 in the first round.

 

Second round we have James Daniels, Anthony Miller, Adam Shaheen, Cody Whitehair and Eddie Goldman. Is that 2/5 or 3/5? So 3 or 4 out of his 9 picks in the first 2 rounds? Even with solid drafting later on it’s hard to be good when you hit on ~40% of your top 2 round picks.

 

I wouldn't call Floyd a miss. Granted, I know he was a top 10 pick, but he's a solid NFL player. He does everything well accept his primary job, rush the passer. But he got cut and is going to make 10Mil this season. That's not a paycheck for a player I'd call a miss. Probably a C to C- type pick, which is not ideal, but it happens.

 

Those 2nd rounders are mostly hits. Anthony Miller is really good. He's had shoulder issues, but his biggest issue has been the QB. When Mitch was good last year (for 4-5 weeks late in the year), he was playing at a 100/1100 pace season. Good QB play and he's an 80 catch, 1000 yard guy in 2020. Daniels is decent too. This is probably a big year for him if he's a hit or miss, but he's shown enough to warrant a starting job this coming season.

 

Can't discount his mid round work either. Jackson (all pro), Amos (who's loss became Foles), Howard, Nichols, were all great picks.

Re: Floyd I think LA overpaid a bit (at least on a AAV basis). Not sure that should count as a plus in regards to grading the pick. Yes, he's an NFL capable player, even a starter (though not a Number 1 OLB), but at that pick, that's a D at best. He could even turn it up and maybe have a nice long career, but since his Bears career is in the books, we can call it a near failure at best.

[David]

Was Maholmes drafted in the same draft as Trubinsky?

 

Haha I always spell it wrong whoops

 

you're not the only one on the past couple pages

 

i noticed myself doing that at one point and wondered where the hell i picked it up. had to have been here lol

[Tim]

I think you guys are going way too binary with the hit/miss thing.

[Tim]

Back to back guards. I guess that's how you get "plenty" of OL help late in the draft.

[raw]

Those are not real people.

[KingCubsFan]

 

You really think he’s been better than average overall? If there’s anyone I trust about football on this forum it’s you but I can’t see it. I agree if the Bears drafted Maholmes instead of Trubisky and he developed to be as good he’d have nearly infinite job security but he didn’t. And he missed on White (yes I know injuries were a big reason but he was also someone who many said needed development), he missed on Floyd too. Smith has been a solid pick so 1 out of 4 in the first round.

 

Second round we have James Daniels, Anthony Miller, Adam Shaheen, Cody Whitehair and Eddie Goldman. Is that 2/5 or 3/5? So 3 or 4 out of his 9 picks in the first 2 rounds? Even with solid drafting later on it’s hard to be good when you hit on ~40% of your top 2 round picks.

 

I wouldn't call Floyd a miss. Granted, I know he was a top 10 pick, but he's a solid NFL player. He does everything well accept his primary job, rush the passer. But he got cut and is going to make 10Mil this season. That's not a paycheck for a player I'd call a miss. Probably a C to C- type pick, which is not ideal, but it happens.

 

Those 2nd rounders are mostly hits. Anthony Miller is really good. He's had shoulder issues, but his biggest issue has been the QB. When Mitch was good last year (for 4-5 weeks late in the year), he was playing at a 100/1100 pace season. Good QB play and he's an 80 catch, 1000 yard guy in 2020. Daniels is decent too. This is probably a big year for him if he's a hit or miss, but he's shown enough to warrant a starting job this coming season.

 

Can't discount his mid round work either. Jackson (all pro), Amos (who's loss became Foles), Howard, Nichols, were all great picks.

Re: Floyd I think LA overpaid a bit (at least on a AAV basis). Not sure that should count as a plus in regards to grading the pick. Yes, he's an NFL capable player, even a starter (though not a Number 1 OLB), but at that pick, that's a D at best. He could even turn it up and maybe have a nice long career, but since his Bears career is in the books, we can call it a near failure at best.

A D seems a bit harsh. For context, the players picked at #9 in other drafts have been Dee Milliner (bust), Anthony Barr (solid player), Ereck Flowers (bust), Floyd (solid player), John Ross (lol Bengals), Mike McGlinchey (solid player), Ed Oliver (looks to be good but too early to make a judgment). Not exactly a list of All-Pros.