Cubs Manager Search (Ross to be hired - Kaplan)

[Bertz]

Honestly, while I like Ross I'm hoping that whoever they go with is completely unaffiliated with the team. I think even if he's a hardass, Ross's connection to 2016 is going to make it impossible to completely move on from that sense of complacency.

 

I wonder if Eric Chavez is an option. He's very much in the mold of the guys from the last few years who really excelled. He did the elder statesman thing his last few years in the league, he's done the special assistant to the GM thing, he's done a little TV, and he even managed a little bit in the minors in 2018. If you're looking for an Alex Cora type, I think he's near the top of the list.

[Regular Show]

There's no reason that drill sergeant jackoff wannabe would come cheap. Cubs fans should riot if they stupidly shell out for a pricey manager for ANY horsefeathering reason. He should be automatically disqualified for that alone.

 

I actually think Girardi won't be that expensive at this point. I think his desperation to manage a good team again is much stronger than his desire to be paid. He turned down opportunities last summer.

 

I seriously doubt he's in consideration for our team. Theo and Jed want someone who will collaborate with the FO and better communicate with the young players. Also, I really think the way we employed shifts on defense was pretty bad the last couple years. I haven't looked at the stats and maybe I'm wrong, but it just felt like we weren't employing them correctly watching the games. Someone else can explain this better, but it seems like we were just shading our defenders slightly in their traditional spots in the infield instead of doing full shifts with 3 people on one side. I honestly don't even know if Maddon is to blame for this...

 

Anyway, I think they're just doing their due diligence. The only candidate with a good chance (who is interviewing at this stage in the process) is David Ross.

[Sammy Sofa]

Who did he turn down besides the Reds?

 

Zero chance a Name Manager takes a big pay cut. That would make it that much easier for him to get bounced again, and there's no way he's settling for that.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't keep up with the latest manager developments but have always had the impression he was the OG of these next gen managers in the 2010s.

 

How?

[Banedon]

When did Girardi get this reputation as an old school meatheaded manager?

 

Since always.

 

Was it stuff he did as the Yankees' manager?

 

[Brian]

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[Tim]

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If he was using binders, he wasn't as analytics friendly as he thinks.

[WrigleyField 22]

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Nerd Alert!

[javy knows my name]

Ok well now I'm sold

 

All we need to know about his position on analytics is that he hasn't had a job in 2 years. (I know I'm not saying anything that everyone here doesn't already know)

[Regular Show]

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Maybe I shouldn't have called Joe Girardi the "Joe Biden of Cubs manager candidates"; he's definitely Mitt Romney.

 

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't keep up with the latest manager developments but have always had the impression he was the OG of these next gen managers in the 2010s.

 

How?

 

Didn't he start getting manager jobs pretty young because he was more new than old school? I thought his whole schtick was the recently retired longtime catcher with an engineering degree from Northwestern who used stats but knew the day to say yada yada

 

Girardi was talked up as a future manager virtually his entire playing career. He was described as smart because he went to Northwestern, not because he had some brilliant newage view of stats. He was a total hardass from the get go. He also presided over an extremely expensive Yankees roster that missed the playoffs in 3 of 4 years (frankly I loved those years), after Joe Torre never missed the playoffs.

 

One thing I could see is Ricketts seeing value in a guy who bans facial hair, forcing Theo to trade Bryant before he gets expensive, while simultaneously forcing them to keep baby faced Russell and Almora.

[jersey cubs fan]

they called him Binder Joe because of his obsession with S&M, it was an open secret

[Sammy Sofa]

It was because of his bizarre all cheese/no fiber diet. Edited October 7, 2019 by Sammy Sofa

[minnesotacubsfan]

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If he was using binders, he wasn't as analytics friendly as he thinks.

 

 

To be fair, hes old enough to be playing when all analytics were done with slide rule

 

It took alllllllota paper back in the day

[David]

i was gonna make fun of the binder thing myself, but were electronics/tablets allowed in dugouts back then?

[Cubswin11]

Girardi is a complete [expletive]. His binders were probably full of the print outs of the ESPN and Sporting News fantasy player profiles. He also couldn’t manage the clubhouse or relationships of any of the players who mattered and clashed with them all.

[David]

iPads didn't even come out until after opening day in 2010

 

soooo 7 years before his last year with the yankees? what's your point lol

[Cubswin11]

iPads didn't even come out until after opening day in 2010

 

soooo 7 years before his last year with the yankees? what's your point lol

 

2010 is also +1 year after the whole binder thing and also the WS winning thing

So then what happened when information started becoming more readily and easily available?

[WrigleyField 22]

 

soooo 7 years before his last year with the yankees? what's your point lol

 

2010 is also +1 year after the whole binder thing and also the WS winning thing

So then what happened when information started becoming more readily and easily available?

Bigger binders.

[WrigleyField 22]

So then what happened when information started becoming more readily and easily available?

 

Probably laughed, called it a bundle of sticks, and beat up some nerds? That and swearing off all these new fangled technology, a fad if you ask him, seems most likely

No he totally embraced it. That intern is still trying to "print and bind fangraphs" for him, but whew boy wait til he gets his hands on it.

[Sammy Sofa]

He's so smart he made his binders out of iPads.

[squally1313]

I loved getting mad at Maddon as much as anyone else here, because he made a lot of very dumb, wrong decisions. But it's hard for me to care much at all about who they end up, because looking around the league, it's going to be someone who also makes dumb, wrong decisions pretty much regardless of who it is. Hopefully it gets wrapped up quickly, and I'm hoping it's not Ross because I honestly want it to be someone as low profile as possible.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Given the way the league has trended and especially given how the Cubs have stagnated, it feels like we shouldn’t be looking at how much candidates love numbers as the primary differentiator(though that does matter), but how they develop/improve players.

[Derwood]

[Regular Show]

A little off-topic, but I always wanted Dan Haren to come back to the Cubs as a pitching instructor/coach. He's hilarious and his politics and views on baseball are refreshing. Most players are idiots (look at Matt Garza's Twitter account) and have dumb takes on the sport, but he doesn't fall in that category.

 

I believe he's working for the D'backs right now. Maybe we can get him at some point down the road.

 

EDIT: I have no problem with Tommy Hottovy and think he's a fine pitching coach. Darvish speaks highly of him so I think we should keep him. I'm sure the new manager will be okay with him too.