Chris Bosio Fired

[David]

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anyone know when the FO suggested Bosio would return or is he just making stuff up?

 

if it's based on Theo saying it was up to Joe what coaches returned? because that's not that.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

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anyone know when the FO suggested Bosio would return or is he just making stuff up?

 

if it's based on Theo saying it was up to Joe what coaches returned? because that's not that.

 

Probably based on the quote from Joe saying that he likes all the coaches and wanted them all back. Either way it's silly, it's not like they waited for jobs to dry up before taking action, they were still playing less than 48 hours ago.

[imb]

maybe we can hire larry roth's child again

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I'm going to take a different take here, but I'm actually kind of happy we let Bosio go. I definitely hated listening to his interviews on the radio. I don't know exactly how much of an impact he had on our pitching staff, but he doesn't seem like the next L. Mazzone-level pitching coach.

 

Most instructors and coaches are replaceable, and maybe a new voice and pitching philosophy will help our staff next season.

[Cubswin11]

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anyone know when the FO suggested Bosio would return or is he just making stuff up?

 

if it's based on Theo saying it was up to Joe what coaches returned? because that's not that.

Never know what could have happened between Thursday and this morning too. Maybe in doing an exit interview or something with Bosio they just didn’t like how it went/where it was going.

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anyone know when the FO suggested Bosio would return or is he just making stuff up?

 

if it's based on Theo saying it was up to Joe what coaches returned? because that's not that.

Never know what could have happened between Thursday and this morning too. Maybe in doing an exit interview or something with Bosio they just didn’t like how it went/where it was going.

 

Do coaches and instructors do exit interviews? I'm honestly not sure. I'm assuming J. Maddon is in conversation with Theo and Jed constantly so doing an exit interview for him isn't really necessary.

 

I guess you should do exit interviews with the coaching staff and other instructors though.

[Tim]

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anyone know when the FO suggested Bosio would return or is he just making stuff up?

 

if it's based on Theo saying it was up to Joe what coaches returned? because that's not that.

We've been out of the playoffs for like three days. Were they supposed to say they were going to fire him while we were still playing?

[Named After Maddux]

There has been a lot of talk that they were replacing Bosio because of the Thames suspension or just to bring in Hickey, but this is the first thing I thought of when I heard the news.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chicago-cubs/jon-lester-and-chris-bosio-have-confrontation-cubs-dugout%3famp

Im not saying it’s just because of that isolated incident, but I’d be shocked if that type of attitude didn’t rub the pitchers the wrong way.

 

I do find it interesting and not surprising that in the year of the juiced ball that we see a ton of quality pitching coaches fired. I don’t think that’s the reason that Bosio is gone, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were other teams overreacting.

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I'm going to take a different take here, but I'm actually kind of happy we let Bosio go. I definitely hated listening to his interviews on the radio. I don't know exactly how much of an impact he had on our pitching staff, but he doesn't seem like the next L. Mazzone-level pitching coach.

 

Most instructors and coaches are replaceable, and maybe a new voice and pitching philosophy will help our staff next season.

i agree with this

[ConstableRabbit]

maybe we can hire larry roth's child again

They need to learn to throw strikes not towels amirite

[DurbanJer]

If the Pitching Coach sets the pitching strategy for the team, then I think we did have a very serious problem. I'd be interested to see the numbers, but watching the games I thought our staff spent a lot of time trying to nibble the edges of the plate and failed at getting strike 1 routinely. We all complained about the ridiculous Dodger at bats where our pitches were on the edge (and the calls often admittedly sucked at times) and they'd manage to work us deep into counts. If Bosio was responsible for a more conservative approach from the rubber that led to our opponents being able to set the offensive tone (certainly felt like it), then yeah, he either needed to change his philosophy, or go.

 

Maybe this is what Theo saw: that our staff's approach was trying to be too fine and it led to too many bad innings.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

You'd also have to think this gives us a better chance to get Brett Anderson back via free agency.

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who cares. if theo fired him then it probably made sense to do that. i find it hard to even pretend like i could possibly know enough about a pitching coach to care about this. also he's kind of a douche and he did embarrass the organization a little bit.

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This feels like it's set for Hickey, if he wants it (makes me sorta wonder if Bosio is fired if Hickey isn't available.) At the end of the day, there's only so much a pitching coach can do, and a new voice is a fine swap. Sometimes pitching coaches don't mesh, sometimes it takes time (Roger McDowell really didn't connect well with Kevin Gausman this year, by most accounts, and back in the day for the Orioles, don't recall who, but Arrieta/Matusz/Tillman/Britton and Co. pretty much hated their pitching coach), and sometimes you need new guys. Hickey is well-regarded, although I do find it mildly interesting that Hickey was let go somewhat because they felt that they had a better voice to guide their young guys coming up, like Honeywell, in Snyder.

 

I imagine Bosio is probably going to find a landing spot soon.

 

Tbh, I wouldn't mind Farrell or Mike Maddux, if Hickey opted against coming here. That said, his close relationship with Maddon really seems to suggest a high probability that this is his if he wants it.

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Tbh, I wouldn't mind Farrell or Mike Maddux, if Hickey opted against coming here. That said, his close relationship with Maddon really seems to suggest a high probability that this is his if he wants it.

 

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Maddon had reached out to Hickey prior to Bosio being fired. This may all be window dressing for whats essentially a done deal.

Edited October 22, 2017 by sweetpeteman

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yeah maybe he'll call em all up, see if they're interested

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I hope this Hickey guy brings Archer or even Honeywell or even Blake Snell and Colome and maybe even Stanek.

 

I'd think Alex Cobb would be the most likely in this scenario.

[David]

my friend who is a pretty knowledgeable rays fan is not pleased with hickey leaving

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my friend who is a pretty knowledgeable rays fan is not pleased with hickey leaving

 

What does he say about his pitching philosophy (Hickey) and how he handles pitchers? I also wouldn't mind interviewing M. Maddux and J. Farrell and seeing which one would be the best fit.

 

The job does seem to be Hickey's if he wants it though.

[David]

my friend who is a pretty knowledgeable rays fan is not pleased with hickey leaving

 

What does he say about his pitching philosophy (Hickey) and how he handles pitchers? I also wouldn't mind interviewing M. Maddux and J. Farrell and seeing which one would be the best fit.

 

The job does seem to be Hickey's if he wants it though.

Conversation didn't get that deep but yesterday I did post a rays blog post that talked about that a bit.

[Cubswin11]

my friend who is a pretty knowledgeable rays fan is not pleased with hickey leaving

 

What does he say about his pitching philosophy (Hickey) and how he handles pitchers? I also wouldn't mind interviewing M. Maddux and J. Farrell and seeing which one would be the best fit.

 

The job does seem to be Hickey's if he wants it though.

Conversation didn't get that deep but yesterday I did post a rays blog post that talked about that a bit.

Yeah that was a good article and I liked what I read. I don't think his philosophy is all that different from Bosio, it seemed like he definitely likes the changeup more but got a lot of the same vibes that he, like Bosio just kinda want guys to throw and do what works best for them and they will tweak accordingly off of that (doesn't seem like either feel like there's one right way to pitch mechanically or otherwise or preach there's certain pitches that shouldn't be thrown or try to get guys to throw pitches they can't really throw).

 

Hickey definitely seems to be more well regarded across the league and I like that he and Maddon have worked together before and would seem to be on a better wavelength. Also seems like Hickey should do a better job developing guys (not really Bosio's fault we didn't have great prospects) but Hickey had to pretty much deal with entirely internal/org guys in Tampa so you'd think we might get a little bit better system/philosophy set up to develop pitchers that we draft or acquire at the minor league level.

[Brian707]

Levine was on the Score and said he wouldn't be surprised if the Hickey signing was announced today. The WS starting tomorrow MLB does not like teams announcing moves.

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anyone know when the FO suggested Bosio would return or is he just making stuff up?

 

if it's based on Theo saying it was up to Joe what coaches returned? because that's not that.

We've been out of the playoffs for like three days. Were they supposed to say they were going to fire him while we were still playing?

 

Didn't Bosio's contract just expire? If so, the Cubs really didn't need to make any sort of announcement.

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Based on exactly zero evidence, let me suggest a contrarian view. Is it possible that Arrieta or more likely Davis has let the Cubs know that he would under no circumstances return if Bosio were still the pitching coach.

 

I think Jake certainly said all the right things about Bosio's contribution to his success in the Cy Young offseason, but I seem to recall a couple of interviews later that offseason where Jake sort of deflated the "Bosio as miracle man" meme. Not much to build a case on, but adults who work in close quarters under pressure for extended periods have been known to act petulantly.

 

I'm not certain that I've ever heard anything about Davis vis a vis Bosio but who knows.

 

The only other pitcher on the staff that has the clout to anything with regards to Bosio is Lester.

 

Regardless of the cause, I am optimistic that Theo and Jed will make a good personnel decision.