Cubs give Bartman WS Ring

[We Got The Whole 9]

My favorite cut was the Born Under a Bad Sign and I had no idea it wasn't an original

[LeonDurham]

Maybe it's just because I'm stressed at work today or I'm cranky from a lack of sleep but this actually pisses me off. Like most Cubs fans, I stopped blaming him within days of losing Game 7 but this is just horsefeathering stupid. He doesn't deserve a WS ring.

He didn't deserve to have his life ruined for trying to field a baseball in 2003, but you didn't get to decide that either.

 

This is a mostly private way for the Cubs to make a restitution, and it didn't prevent the team from any baseball operations. It's a marketing move, and though it's a weird thing to do, it's been a weird thing for 15 years, so it's a form of closure for everyone involved.

Make up your mind. Is it a mostly private gesture or a marketing move? It can't be both.

 

 

that's what I just don't get. Why the publicity. If they were going to give him a ring, whatever. There were 1908 given out. But why publicize it so everyone starts talking about it again. I'm sure Bartman is happy about the ring, but he would've been happier if it were given in private.

[Sammy Sofa]

Because, again, contrary to the people in denial about it, there's plenty of people who think he is somehow at fault for what happened in 2003. This is simply a thoughtful gesture to someone who unfairly was stuck in a really, really crappy situation just because he was a Cubs fan and became infamous because of it to the point that it completely changed his life for the worse. To issue a statement about it is a way to say, "this poor guy has been through enough; here's a small token that couldn't possibly make up for it but is a way of saying 'sorry.'" How is that possibly a bad thing?

[badger]

Because, again, contrary to the people in denial about it, there's plenty of people who think he is somehow at fault for what happened in 2003. This is simply a thoughtful gesture to someone who unfairly was stuck in a really, really crappy situation just because he was a Cubs fan and became infamous because of it to the point that it completely changed his life for the worse. To issue a statement about it is a way to say, "this poor guy has been through enough; here's a small token that couldn't possibly make up for it but is a way of saying 'sorry.'" How is that possibly a bad thing?

 

And to (in not so many words) tell the idiots faction of the fan base to shut the horsefeathers up without being mean/ridiculing/or alienating.

[Old Style]

Because, again, contrary to the people in denial about it, there's plenty of people who think he is somehow at fault for what happened in 2003. This is simply a thoughtful gesture to someone who unfairly was stuck in a really, really crappy situation just because he was a Cubs fan and became infamous because of it to the point that it completely changed his life for the worse. To issue a statement about it is a way to say, "this poor guy has been through enough; here's a small token that couldn't possibly make up for it but is a way of saying 'sorry.'" How is that possibly a bad thing?

This guy wants his privacy so why bring his name back into the press when literally no one was talking about him?

[Sammy Sofa]

Because simply stating the name "Steve Bartman" in the context of giving him a gift doesn't magically invade his privacy in some new way; the cat of him being a public figure was out of the bag a long, long time ago. Plus nobody is talking about him? Until the Cubs won the WS last year, he basically came up in every national broadcast. There's someone running around her with a sig of a Heyward catch tagged as "the anti-Bartman moment," or something along those lines. That 30 for 30 documentary just came out, what, 5 years ago? Yet it's the Cubs making a small gesture towards him that is somehow the thing that is a step too far these days?

 

When I asked, "how is this possibly a bad thing," it was more of a rhetorical exercise in common sense as opposed to a challenge to tie yourself in knots to spin this negatively.

[Old Style]

The only reason I am even wasting any time commenting on Steve Bartman is because the Cubs felt the need to make this public announcement. And it caused him to release a statement to the media in which he once again asked for privacy.

[Sammy Sofa]

So, to sum up, this is a bad thing because you were somehow forced to waste time about how pissed off Steve Bartman getting a WS ring made you.

 

Makes sense.

 

And you do realize that them giving him the ring and him releasing a press statement in no way impacts his privacy, right? I mean, the guy had the media essentially doxxing him, people trying to beat him up, the governor joking about not pardoning him and the manager of the Cubs calling out his fandom, yet THIS is a bad thing?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The only reason I am even wasting any time commenting on Steve Bartman is because the Cubs felt the need to make this public announcement. And it caused him to release a statement to the media in which he once again asked for privacy.

 

You seem to be assuming there was zero communication/coordination between the Cubs and Bartman prior to the simultaneous announcement and Bartman's prepared statement. The odds of that being true are miniscule.

[Sammy Sofa]

The only reason I am even wasting any time commenting on Steve Bartman is because the Cubs felt the need to make this public announcement. And it caused him to release a statement to the media in which he once again asked for privacy.

 

You seem to be assuming there was zero communication/coordination between the Cubs and Bartman prior to the simultaneous announcement and Bartman's prepared statement. The odds of that being true are miniscule.

 

Psh, you know Theo drove past his house and Clark tied it to a brick (from Wrigley, AWWWWWWWW) and chucked it through his window.

[Old Style]

So, to sum up, this is a bad thing because you were somehow forced to waste time about how pissed off Steve Bartman getting a WS ring made you.

 

Makes sense.

 

And you do realize that them giving him the ring and him releasing a press statement in no way impacts his privacy, right? I mean, the guy had the media essentially doxxing him, people trying to beat him up, the governor joking about not pardoning him and the manager of the Cubs calling out his fandom, yet THIS is a bad thing?

So anyone stupid enough to do this horsefeathers to him is now going to magically stop because the Cubs gave him a WS ring?

[bukie]

The only reason I am even wasting any time commenting on Steve Bartman is because the Cubs felt the need to make this public announcement. And it caused him to release a statement to the media in which he once again asked for privacy.

 

You seem to be assuming there was zero communication/coordination between the Cubs and Bartman prior to the simultaneous announcement and Bartman's prepared statement. The odds of that being true are miniscule.

 

Psh, you know Theo drove past his house and Clark tied it to a brick (from Wrigley, AWWWWWWWW) and chucked it through his window.

The real twist is that Bartman is Clark.

[treebird]

So, to sum up, this is a bad thing because you were somehow forced to waste time about how pissed off Steve Bartman getting a WS ring made you.

 

Makes sense.

 

And you do realize that them giving him the ring and him releasing a press statement in no way impacts his privacy, right? I mean, the guy had the media essentially doxxing him, people trying to beat him up, the governor joking about not pardoning him and the manager of the Cubs calling out his fandom, yet THIS is a bad thing?

So anyone stupid enough to do this horsefeathers to him is now going to magically stop because the Cubs gave him a WS ring?

 

no, no one thinks you're ever going to get over it.

[Old Style]

So, to sum up, this is a bad thing because you were somehow forced to waste time about how pissed off Steve Bartman getting a WS ring made you.

 

Makes sense.

 

And you do realize that them giving him the ring and him releasing a press statement in no way impacts his privacy, right? I mean, the guy had the media essentially doxxing him, people trying to beat him up, the governor joking about not pardoning him and the manager of the Cubs calling out his fandom, yet THIS is a bad thing?

So anyone stupid enough to do this horsefeathers to him is now going to magically stop because the Cubs gave him a WS ring?

 

no, no one thinks you're ever going to get over it.

You're so clever. Yes, I am still furious on a daily basis because Steve Bartman is the sole reason the Cubs didn't win the 2003 World Series and every one since then. There's no way that I actually realized within hours/days of that play that he wasn't at fault at all and didn't deserve any of the BS he's endured over the years yet still think this was an unnecessary PR move by the Cubs is completely unpossible.

[Sammy Sofa]

So, to sum up, this is a bad thing because you were somehow forced to waste time about how pissed off Steve Bartman getting a WS ring made you.

 

Makes sense.

 

And you do realize that them giving him the ring and him releasing a press statement in no way impacts his privacy, right? I mean, the guy had the media essentially doxxing him, people trying to beat him up, the governor joking about not pardoning him and the manager of the Cubs calling out his fandom, yet THIS is a bad thing?

So anyone stupid enough to do this horsefeathers to him is now going to magically stop because the Cubs gave him a WS ring?

 

The guy had a ton of terrible horsefeathers happen to him because he was just a fan reaching for a foul ball. His entire life was changed forever because of it for the worse; 13+ years after the fact, the Cubs give him a small gesture that recognizes that and, in a very small way, apologizes for what happened to him, and still allows him to go about his life with the privacy he has tried so hard to maintain. Yeah, it looks good for them, but it is also a nice thing to do for a guy that didn't deserve at all what happened to him; it can be both things! There's literally no reason for someone to grouse about this being "unnecessary" or how it makes them "pissed off."

[weis21]

in fact, if i were steve i would probably auction off the ring. i bet it would net 150K? give or take a few tens of thousands?

 

the guy basically had his life ruined by doing something that any (or most) of us would do when a ball is coming towards him.

 

he probably has more class (and, presumably more money) than me and won't do it. but i would consider that very hard. it would also drive the meatballs crazy if he auctioned it off so that is an added bonus for me.

[LeonDurham]

in fact, if i were steve i would probably auction off the ring. i bet it would net 150K? give or take a few tens of thousands?

 

the guy basically had his life ruined by doing something that any (or most) of us would do when a ball is coming towards him.

 

he probably has more class (and, presumably more money) than me and won't do it. but i would consider that very hard. it would also drive the meatballs crazy if he auctioned it off so that is an added bonus for me.

 

 

Darren Rovell was on ESPN radio today and said the ring would fetch more than Rizzo's, Bryant's or Theos. I think that's ridiculous, but he probably knows more than me.

 

That said, he's never going to auction it off. He could've cashed in a long time ago, and he's chosen not to.

[jersey cubs fan]

he also probably had to sign the agreement that everybody else signed saying they wouldn't sell their ring

[Navin R. Johnson]

Rumor was it fell out during Moises' last proctological exam.

[Sammy Sofa]

[17 Seconds]

i don't even get it

[SouthSideRyan]

i don't even get it

 

BUTT

[SouthSideRyan]

in fact, if i were steve i would probably auction off the ring. i bet it would net 150K? give or take a few tens of thousands?

 

the guy basically had his life ruined by doing something that any (or most) of us would do when a ball is coming towards him.

 

he probably has more class (and, presumably more money) than me and won't do it. but i would consider that very hard. it would also drive the meatballs crazy if he auctioned it off so that is an added bonus for me.

 

I'm assuming he got one of the knockoff ones they gave to the ushers.

[Huey23]

Did they give rings to the team that Bartmans group (i don't believe he was the exact

culprit) screwed over? IDK it started the fall of the Cubs that year. Yes the SS messed up etc… But Bartmans group started it all!

[Derwood]

Did they give rings to the team that Bartmans group (i don't believe he was the exact

culprit) screwed over? IDK it started the fall of the Cubs that year. Yes the SS messed up etc… But Bartmans group started it all!