Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana

[doublebubble]

this trade is one month away from being the worst trade in Cubs history.

 

Hyperbole much?

 

I feel like people are generally underestimating how much Eloy will have to hit to be highly valuable. He’s absolutely capable of it because he’s a monster and a special hitting talent, but he plays a position everyone hits. Corner players that hit a lot aren’t difficult to find.

 

But it’s concerning that he hasn’t shown a willingness to walk, which is a skill all these great hitters you hear him compared to do. This is something he can improve, obviously, but usually hitters are pretty close to what they’ve been in that department. His walk numbers are pretty much identical to Javy Baez’s in the minors (literally identical to Javy’s last full AAA stint at 6.7%), for example.

 

And there’s his body. He’s already a horse. Usually this doesn’t age well for athleticism. Jason Heyward is the rare exception. So it’s quite possible his entire value will come from hitting the ball out of the park and a high average. And he should do these things well, but you have to do them *really* well to be a 3+ WAR kind of player, especially if we’re talking doing it on an annual basis.

 

It’s just a difficult path.

 

Jose Quintana has been super blah this year (and has been dealing with shoulder fatigue), but odds are he’s closer to the 3.5+ fWAR pitcher he was the previous 5 years than the pitcher he’s been this year too.

 

If you want a for-sure crappy Cubs-White Sox trade, it’s Jon Garland for Matt Karchner. The Quintana trade was the right move in the Cubs’ position. It may end up looking bad in the end, but a lot would have to happen for it to end up looking brutal.

 

 

nope.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1550&p=185805&hilit=Eloy#p185805

 

Btw, this thread is both amazing and brutal. I was going to quote the most painful stuff, but it was too numerous, and also too sad.

[Backtobanks]

Obviously, the Cubs needed pitching when they made the trade, but Eloy will always be valuable as long as the DH exists. Also, Schwarber was pretty bad in the OF at the start of his career. Can Eloy improve defensively? I doubt it, but he's a monster with the bat.

[Derwood]

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1550&p=185805&hilit=Eloy#p185805

 

Btw, this thread is both amazing and brutal. I was going to quote the most painful stuff, but it was too numerous, and also too sad.

 

Lots of "losing Eloy is no problem because we're signing Harper" posts.

[Cubswin11]

Obviously, the Cubs needed pitching when they made the trade, but Eloy will always be valuable as long as the DH exists. Also, Schwarber was pretty bad in the OF at the start of his career. Can Eloy improve defensively? I doubt it, but he's a monster with the bat.

I still think he’s closer to a 1.5-2 win player most years and his bat is closer to the .270/.310/.510, ~110 wRC+ player he was last year with atrocious defense. He’s running a ~.340 BABIP this year. That normalizes a bit and he’s right where he is as a hitter last year which is a nice and fun bat who cranks some Dongs but not all that good.

Edited September 20, 2020 by Cubswin11

[David]

yeah. i'm still not sweating eloy, and it's early but cease is probably a nothing.

 

sucks that quintana turned out the way he did, though.

[NOLA]

Seeing this thread bumped.

 

No matter how one feels about this trade, it’s just disappointing.

[Bertz]

yeah. i'm still not sweating eloy, and it's early but cease is probably a nothing.

 

sucks that quintana turned out the way he did, though.

 

Yeah, the issue is more of opportunity cost than what we gave up IMO. Eloy is looking like a DH who doesn't walk and Cease is looking like he needs to move to the pen. Nice players, maybe even good, but far from being stars. If Q had stayed good in 2018 I'd have 0 issue with the trade.

[Tryptamine]

Well at least we didn't trade an odds on favorite to win the MVP at age 21 for the ghost of James Shields.

[17 Seconds]

so sick of hearing about this trade. eloy is good but not good enough for this to bother me that much, considering all the good things that theo did.

 

i doubt that brewers fans have trouble sleeping at night because they traded nelson cruz in 2006

[Clem Fandango]

Well at least we didn't trade an odds on favorite to win the MVP at age 21 for the ghost of James Shields.

 

I had no clue he was even in the White Sox org. Wow.

[Derwood]

Take solace that if Eloy were on the team this year, he would be hitting .091 with 1 HR Edited September 21, 2020 by Derwood

[We Got The Whole 9]

Take solace that if Eloy were on the team this year, he would be hitting 0.91 with 1 HR

I'll take a 910 hitter any day, even if he rarely pokes one out

[Ding Dong Johnson]

He’d have been in South Bend all season.

[Gmoney23]

I dont necessarily miss Eloy or Cease a ton but regret we could have potentially flipped those 2 for Degrom the next season.

 

I think its obvious we wouldve been better off with Verlander who reportedly wouldnt have even cost Eloy & Cease (just was owed 90m I think).

 

Then either kept Eloy and Cease or tried to flip.them for ideally someone better than Quintana the next season.