Starting Pitching candidates

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Also, that's not that bad a package for the Pirates. There's no superstar potential headliner, but the Cubs equivalent is in the neighborhood of Happ, Montgomery, Maples, and a prospect. I can respect the idea that if you're trading Cole it's a somewhat rare opportunity to add star-level upside, but from a value perspective you aren't going to do too much better for 2 years of Cole coming off a down year with eleventeen starting pitchers still available in free agency.

[Jaxbro]

RHP Mike Feliz also heading to Pittsburgh. Moran is the Astros #5 prospect

CF Jason Martin their #15 prospect is supposed fourth piece

 

People are going to disagree, but I think it was a nice return for Pittsburgh. They didn't get star power but they got 3 guys who will provide long term cheap value and are ready to play immediately.

But poor Buc fan is asking himself isn’t Clint Frazier better than any of this.

 

Big key is if Moran doesn’t get flakey at the plate after fouling the ball off his face last year

[Derwood]

Good God, we gave up Eloy for Jose Quintana

 

Quintana is better and we have him about twice as long.

 

Also, I'll regret trading Eloy if (and only if) he actually turns into something.

[toonsterwu]

I don't particularly love the Cole deal for the Pirates, but it's not bad. Really comes down to buying Joe Musgrove. If you buy him getting a bit better and hitting the start of his peak, then, really, that alone could make this a good trade. The addition of Colin Moran gives them a guy to slot at 3rd if Josh Harrison is moved, but Moran was a thing once ... I think he's more a 2nd division starter. Then again, Pirates are in the midst of a semi-rebuild. Barring a move back to the rotation, Feliz is probably more setup arm than closer unless he gets his command a bit more tight. Martin might have some fringe shots as a 2nd division starter if all goes well.

 

Actually, the thing I don't like is the timing of the deal. Whenever Darvish signs, that could've increased the Pirates leverage in trade talks. Then again, they probably got a package they liked and this off-season was moving slow, so what the heck.

[Backtobanks]

From MLBTR: Reports early in the offseason suggested that Cobb was seeking upwards of $100MM over a five-year term, though FanRag’s Jon Heyman recently wrote that Cobb is now believed “willing” to sign a four-year deal at a total of $70MM or a five-year deal worth $80MM. Despite a fairly robust group of potential landing spots, those numbers range from ambitious ($70-80MM) to outlandish ($100MM), in my view.

[d_money]

Good God, we gave up Eloy for Jose Quintana

 

Quintana is better and we have him about twice as long.

 

Also, I'll regret trading Eloy if (and only if) he actually turns into something.

Eloy is gonna be a stud and it’ll be regrettable if Q is a 4/5 and doesn’t stay healthy.

 

How do the Cubs have Quintana for “twice as long”?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

How do the Cubs have Quintana for “twice as long”?

 

3.5 years v. 2 years

[David]

 

Quintana is better and we have him about twice as long.

 

Also, I'll regret trading Eloy if (and only if) he actually turns into something.

Eloy is gonna be a stud and it’ll be regrettable if Q is a 4/5 and doesn’t stay healthy.

 

How do the Cubs have Quintana for “twice as long”?

Good thing he's never been a 4/5 nor had health issues

[Bobson Dugnutt]

 

Also, I'll regret trading Eloy if (and only if) he actually turns into something.

Eloy is gonna be a stud and it’ll be regrettable if Q is a 4/5 and doesn’t stay healthy.

 

How do the Cubs have Quintana for “twice as long”?

Good thing he's never been a 4/5 nor had health issues

 

yeah, what?

[d_money]

Eloy is gonna be a stud and it’ll be regrettable if Q is a 4/5 and doesn’t stay healthy.

 

How do the Cubs have Quintana for “twice as long”?

Good thing he's never been a 4/5 nor had health issues

 

yeah, what?

I’m saying if he has a bad couple of years and breaks down (as many pitchers do).

[Splendid Splinter]

 

Quintana is better and we have him about twice as long.

 

Also, I'll regret trading Eloy if (and only if) he actually turns into something.

Eloy is gonna be a stud and it’ll be regrettable if Q is a 4/5 and doesn’t stay healthy.

 

How do the Cubs have Quintana for “twice as long”?

 

What if Eloy is somehow a stud 3-5 years from now, but Q pitched like he normally does through his contract? Is it still regrettable?

[d_money]

 

Also, I'll regret trading Eloy if (and only if) he actually turns into something.

Eloy is gonna be a stud and it’ll be regrettable if Q is a 4/5 and doesn’t stay healthy.

 

How do the Cubs have Quintana for “twice as long”?

 

What if Eloy is somehow a stud 3-5 years from now, but Q pitched like he normally does through his contract? Is it still regrettable?

It’s a win / win in that scenario.

[17 Seconds]

Good thing he's never been a 4/5 nor had health issues

 

yeah, what?

I’m saying if he has a bad couple of years and breaks down (as many pitchers do).

 

and what if eloy ends up sucking (as most prospects do)

[Ding Dong Johnson]

 

yeah, what?

I’m saying if he has a bad couple of years and breaks down (as many pitchers do).

 

and what if eloy ends up sucking (as most prospects do)

I'll wash your mouth out with soap

[Bertz]

I like Eloy a lot, but his likely outcome is basically Schwarber: a good but not amazing hitter with little defensive value. That's a really nice player, but he has to REALLY hit to be worth losing sleep over.

[Bull]

This offseason is so slow, I actually visited the social forum.

[champaignchris]

We’re only three week until pitchers and catchers report. At what point do teams say, “Eff it!” and start signing Jason Vargas, Andrew Cashner, and etc. for cheap, short term contracts?

 

How bad would it be if the Cubs were to just sign Vargas or Tillman (or insert the low rent stop gap of your choise) for pennies, sign an outfielder, and then say, “Nah, we good?” If any of Arrieta, Darvish or Cobb is still unsigned five weeks from now, reapproach then with a real low ball offer. If they still won’t bite, revisit the trade market in late June if necessary.

 

The signing of Duensing right after the Rangers announced they were out certainly appears to be the Cubs positioning themselves to go into the season with Montgomery in the starting rotation. Maybe thst’s Just a negotiating posture, but with three pitchers who look like they’re competing to sign in two spots and one of those two spots being the Twins, there really isn’t any reason for the Cubs to back off their position.

[Cubswin11]

 

How bad would it be if the Cubs were to just sign Vargas or Tillman (or insert the low rent stop gap of your choise) for pennies, sign an outfielder, and then say, “Nah, we good?” If any of Arrieta, Darvish or Cobb is still unsigned five weeks from now, reapproach then with a real low ball offer. If they still won’t bite, revisit the trade market in late June if necessary.

I’d absolutely hate this and also don’t think Duensing means Monty in the rotation. They have (and had last year) much different bullpen roles/values.

[Backtobanks]

We’re only three week until pitchers and catchers report. At what point do teams say, “Eff it!” and start signing Jason Vargas, Andrew Cashner, and etc. for cheap, short term contracts?

 

How bad would it be if the Cubs were to just sign Vargas or Tillman (or insert the low rent stop gap of your choise) for pennies, sign an outfielder, and then say, “Nah, we good?” If any of Arrieta, Darvish or Cobb is still unsigned five weeks from now, reapproach then with a real low ball offer. If they still won’t bite, revisit the trade market in late June if necessary.

 

The signing of Duensing right after the Rangers announced they were out certainly appears to be the Cubs positioning themselves to go into the season with Montgomery in the starting rotation. Maybe thst’s Just a negotiating posture, but with three pitchers who look like they’re competing to sign in two spots and one of those two spots being the Twins, there really isn’t any reason for the Cubs to back off their position.

 

The Cubs don't have to make any other moves to win their division and get into the playoffs. Obviously their current roster would come up short in the playoffs, so making a deal at the deadline (or waiting for FA prices to go down) actually isn't a terrible idea.

[David]

We’re only three week until pitchers and catchers report. At what point do teams say, “Eff it!” and start signing Jason Vargas, Andrew Cashner, and etc. for cheap, short term contracts?

 

How bad would it be if the Cubs were to just sign Vargas or Tillman (or insert the low rent stop gap of your choise) for pennies, sign an outfielder, and then say, “Nah, we good?” If any of Arrieta, Darvish or Cobb is still unsigned five weeks from now, reapproach then with a real low ball offer. If they still won’t bite, revisit the trade market in late June if necessary.

 

The signing of Duensing right after the Rangers announced they were out certainly appears to be the Cubs positioning themselves to go into the season with Montgomery in the starting rotation. Maybe thst’s Just a negotiating posture, but with three pitchers who look like they’re competing to sign in two spots and one of those two spots being the Twins, there really isn’t any reason for the Cubs to back off their position.

 

The Cubs don't have to make any other moves to win their division and get into the playoffs. Obviously their current roster would come up short in the playoffs, so making a deal at the deadline (or waiting for FA prices to go down) actually isn't a terrible idea.

 

well, that's not necessarily true, but the rest is.

[Cubswin11]

The whole idea of waiting for the deadline to fill a rotation or other hole is fine, but what worries me is that we obviously don't have the top end prospects (sure in 6 months a guy or 3 could rise) but more than likely it's going to take guys on the major league roster to add anyone of significance and doing that midseason can be a bit tricky since we may also need that guy on the major league roster for a playoff run. With enough good options yet for just money I hope, and think, that we really should and will add one of the better FA SP yet and that's the smartest/safest way to go instead of waiting for midseason when who knows who will be available and at what cost.

 

For example I'd rather we cave and go 3/50 on Cobb or 6/130 on Darvish than let Monty start/sign Hellickson or whatever for cheap then risk/hope someone is available at the deadline that we could make a move for and that losing a Happ, Javy, etc. also somehow wouldn't hurt us being competitive the rest of the season at the same time.

Edited January 19, 2018 by Cubswin11

[Bobson Dugnutt]

The signing of Duensing right after the Rangers announced they were out certainly appears to be the Cubs positioning themselves to go into the season with Montgomery in the starting rotation.

 

i think all it does is free montgomery to play the swing role again and make spot starts without relying solely on wilson for left-handed relief when monty is starting.

[CubinNY]

The signing of Duensing right after the Rangers announced they were out certainly appears to be the Cubs positioning themselves to go into the season with Montgomery in the starting rotation.

 

i think all it does is free montgomery to play the swing role again and make spot starts without relying solely on wilson for left-handed relief when monty is starting.

I think if The Cubs get Darvish or bring back Jake Montgomery is traded.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

The signing of Duensing right after the Rangers announced they were out certainly appears to be the Cubs positioning themselves to go into the season with Montgomery in the starting rotation.

 

i think all it does is free montgomery to play the swing role again and make spot starts without relying solely on wilson for left-handed relief when monty is starting.

I think if The Cubs get Darvish or bring back Jake Montgomery is traded.

 

who is the sixth starter in that case?

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

i think all it does is free montgomery to play the swing role again and make spot starts without relying solely on wilson for left-handed relief when monty is starting.

I think if The Cubs get Darvish or bring back Jake Montgomery is traded.

 

who is the sixth starter in that case?

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