Cubs to visit the White House Monday

[Sammy Sofa]

It always amuses me when a non-liberal comes in here and talk politics to a demographic (Illinois/Chicago) that is massively liberal, but then wonders why everyone disagrees with them. And I mean everyone.

 

Frankly, I'm surprised by the default unwilllingness to discuss seriously any POV coming from a conservative, but that's probably because I'm a foreigner.

 

Well, when the default is to come right out of the gate with things like, "guns aren't a problem" or "Trump and [insert random Democrat] are equally bad," that person is already indicating they're entrenched in a basically unmovable, unrealistic and unreasonable mindset.

[David]

It always amuses me when a non-liberal comes in here and talk politics to a demographic (Illinois/Chicago) that is massively liberal, but then wonders why everyone disagrees with them. And I mean everyone.

 

Frankly, I'm surprised by the default unwilllingness to discuss seriously any POV coming from a conservative, but that's probably because I'm a foreigner.

 

Again, this isn't about conservative vs. liberal. I have never identified, generally, as a liberal. There are others (though in the minority) here like me. Trump is a dangerous monster who is empowering hateful and bigoted people. If that isn't bad enough, he has no idea what he's doing, either.

[SouthSideRyan]

I really don't understand the strong political feelings here. Both candidates sucked, we were getting a bad one regardless. Looking down on someone for supporting Trump while acting like the hiliary supporters were right is just getting ridiculous and unnecessarily divisive, it's just perpetuates this broken two party crap that we're all victim to. During the election I acted like how I've been as a Cubs fan my whole life... held out hope even when I knew there was little chance, and I hoped a good third party candidate would come out of left field and surprise everyone. That said, I started the whole DABDA thing after the primaries were over, since I knew we were getting a crap sandwich regardless of which party prevailed.

 

Frankly, I'm just happy that a huge White Sox fan who has spoken smack about the Cubs (and Cubs fans) in the past now has to host the World Champion Chicago Cubs.

 

I was wondering who blew up this thread.

[jersey cubs fan]

it's the old "pointing out how ignorant and hateful we are is what's really divisive" argument. They'd prefer if you just let them hate in peace and pretend it's not happening.

[wvcbxl]

It always amuses me when a non-liberal comes in here and talk politics to a demographic (Illinois/Chicago) that is massively liberal, but then wonders why everyone disagrees with them. And I mean everyone.

 

Frankly, I'm surprised by the default unwilllingness to discuss seriously any POV coming from a conservative, but that's probably because I'm a foreigner.

 

Again, this isn't about conservative vs. liberal. I have never identified, generally, as a liberal. There are others (though in the minority) here like me. Trump is a dangerous monster who is empowering hateful and bigoted people. If that isn't bad enough, he has no idea what he's doing, either.

 

In my neighborhood just a guess but 90% of the people are right leaning. But half of them are disgusted by Trump(The educated ones)

 

Combining the two quotes to try to clarify the point I'm trying to make: the "traditional conservative" voters have known they were going to get screwed since the end of the primaries; they've had no real hope for over half a year now, and even if they are shocked by the events so far during this transition, they voice their opposition differently (e.g. Evan McMullin has been making some interesting points from that perspective).

Other voters couldn't imagine, even in their worst nightmares, any of this becoming reality prior to the morning op 11/09 - the very real feelings of shock and disgust since then are quite understandable, but shouldn't negate the possibilities of others opposing Trump in a different tone.

I would assume outright fans of Trump are quite rare on this board (I certainly haven't read any).

 

Anyway, this thread was about the Cubs visit to the White House in the last week of the Obama presidency - I assume the Chicago angle makes both sides quite happy about that.

[Sammy Sofa]

Combining the two quotes to try to clarify the point I'm trying to make: the "traditional conservative" voters have known they were going to get screwed since the end of the primaries; they've had no real hope for over half a year now, and even if they are shocked by the events so far during this transition, they voice their opposition differently (e.g. Evan McMullin has been making some interesting points from that perspective).

Other voters couldn't imagine, even in their worst nightmares, any of this becoming reality prior to the morning op 11/09 - the very real feelings of shock and disgust since then are quite understandable, but shouldn't negate the possibilities of others opposing Trump in a different tone.

 

You're really reaching here.

[Banedon]

I'm surprised (even though I shouldn't be) that no one even attempted to ask my why I thought they were both terrible candidates.

 

Because that's not what was problematic. What was problematic was that you appear to believe that they are equally terrible.

 

It is also problematic that you seem unable to understand this despite it being explained to you numerous times.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'm surprised (even though I shouldn't be) that no one even attempted to ask my why I thought they were both terrible candidates.

We'll all just have to agree to disagree, as neither side here is going to convince the other to soften their stance.

You answered why earlier. You basically announced yourself in a way that made it clear to most yours wasn't a mind that was changing (though what would be the point after Nov 9 anyways). People stated their opposition. Why would we try to understand your bad opinion rather than just calling it out and moving on?

[UMFan83]

The group think of this echo chamber is why I quit posting on this board for about 8 years. Sorry for not falling in line with you all.

 

You tried to bring politics into a thread about our world series champion baseball team continuing the celebration of their title. Don't get upset if you get strong rebuttals from those that like to keep their politics and sports separate unless they are truly intertwined.

[jersey cubs fan]

I love the idea that this guy thought he had some interesting insight into why Hillary Clinton was also a terrible candidate.

 

 

 

 

None of us has heard anything about that before.

[ConstableRabbit]

It always amuses me when a non-liberal comes in here and talk politics to a demographic (Illinois/Chicago) that is massively liberal, but then wonders why everyone disagrees with them. And I mean everyone.

Good point, I'll go sit in a corner for my poor judgement. I'm surprised (even though I shouldn't be) that no one even attempted to ask my why I thought they were both terrible candidates. First reaction was "you're wrong, that's dumb, everyone that supported him was stupid or a racist....," but no one is interested in really trying to understand why people were so turned off by their candidate, they'd rather develop a label to easily explain it away.

it doesn't matter that they were both terrible candidates (which a lot of us agree with), it's that the one who somehow was able to win was the worst candidate ever. and it ain't even close.

Isn't the worst candidate ever actually Hillary for managing to lose to Trump?

[Banedon]

I love the idea that this guy thought he had some interesting insight into why Hillary Clinton was also a terrible candidate.

 

 

 

 

None of us has heard anything about that before.

 

And that he thought this was the best thread for that revelation.

[Sammy Sofa]

Good point, I'll go sit in a corner for my poor judgement. I'm surprised (even though I shouldn't be) that no one even attempted to ask my why I thought they were both terrible candidates. First reaction was "you're wrong, that's dumb, everyone that supported him was stupid or a racist....," but no one is interested in really trying to understand why people were so turned off by their candidate, they'd rather develop a label to easily explain it away.

it doesn't matter that they were both terrible candidates (which a lot of us agree with), it's that the one who somehow was able to win was the worst candidate ever. and it ain't even close.

Isn't the worst candidate ever actually Hillary for managing to lose to Trump?

 

He's talking about "worst" in terms of basic humanity, not the quality of the campaign.

[Liam Neeson]

*Sees this thread at 3 pages already and opens it*

 

[UMFan83]

I love the idea that this guy thought he had some interesting insight into why Hillary Clinton was also a terrible candidate.

 

 

 

 

None of us has heard anything about that before.

 

Well of course we had, but we can't see beyond the halo over St. Hillary's head

[Bobson Dugnutt]

It always amuses me when a non-liberal comes in here and talk politics to a demographic (Illinois/Chicago) that is massively liberal, but then wonders why everyone disagrees with them. And I mean everyone.

Good point, I'll go sit in a corner for my poor judgement. I'm surprised (even though I shouldn't be) that no one even attempted to ask my why I thought they were both terrible candidates. First reaction was "you're wrong, that's dumb, everyone that supported him was stupid or a racist....," but no one is interested in really trying to understand why people were so turned off by their candidate, they'd rather develop a label to easily explain it away.

 

I'd actually be interested in seeing you lay out a well-reasoned and fact-based thought process that led you to the conclusion that Trump and Clinton are equally or similarly bad.

[SouthSideRyan]

It always amuses me when a non-liberal comes in here and talk politics to a demographic (Illinois/Chicago) that is massively liberal, but then wonders why everyone disagrees with them. And I mean everyone.

 

Frankly, I'm surprised by the default unwilllingness to discuss seriously any POV coming from a conservative, but that's probably because I'm a foreigner.

 

Oh horsefeathers off.

[Sammy Sofa]

It always amuses me when a non-liberal comes in here and talk politics to a demographic (Illinois/Chicago) that is massively liberal, but then wonders why everyone disagrees with them. And I mean everyone.

 

Frankly, I'm surprised by the default unwilllingness to discuss seriously any POV coming from a conservative, but that's probably because I'm a foreigner.

 

Oh horsefeathers off.

 

Hahahahaah! Yeah, if only we could be more like the melting pot of political and social tolerance that is Europe.

[squally1313]

I really don't understand the strong political feelings here. Both candidates sucked, we were getting a bad one regardless.

 

this is dumb

No, not really. It's time to get over it.

 

I know this post is 2 pages ago by now, but this is what I think the main point is, not really the Trump vs. Clinton thing. But it's still wrong. The election wasn't some sports game where we all spent a ton of time hoping and cheering for a certain winner, and then once it was over there were no lasting consequences.

 

The vast majority of us here wanted Clinton to win because, without knowing for sure, we feared what could happen under a Trump-led presidency, and so far he has lived up to all of those fears, and more. We don't have to 'get over' that. This is all happening as we speak and it all will most likely have very real consequences for the near and long term future. For us to still be angry about what is currently going on isn't some dumb sour grapes 'Hillary was robbed' crap. I don't want the Cubs, the highlight of 2016, to be associated with him, and I'm happy they aren't (at least for another year).

 

Edit: The fact that they seemingly made it a point to break with the traditional timing of the visit (the Nationals trip next year) in order to avoid Trump and/or see Obama makes me even happier.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

It always amuses me when a non-liberal comes in here and talk politics to a demographic (Illinois/Chicago) that is massively liberal, but then wonders why everyone disagrees with them. And I mean everyone.

 

Frankly, I'm surprised by the default unwilllingness to discuss seriously any POV coming from a conservative, but that's probably because I'm a foreigner.

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[Sammy Sofa]

I don't want the Cubs, the highlight of 2016, to be associated with him, and I'm happy they aren't (at least for another year).

 

Exactly. Even if you completely divorce politics from it, Trump is just a detestable, awful, wretched human being. I don't want my team being tainted by him.

[Cubswin11]

Plus we likely get a Biden-Maddon interaction which is sure to give us some great material/quotes

[squally1313]

Plus we likely get a Biden-Maddon interaction which is sure to give us some great material/quotes

 

Joe Maddon would make a fantastic Joe Biden to Epstein's Obama in 12 years or so.

[ConstableRabbit]

it doesn't matter that they were both terrible candidates (which a lot of us agree with), it's that the one who somehow was able to win was the worst candidate ever. and it ain't even close.

Isn't the worst candidate ever actually Hillary for managing to lose to Trump?

 

He's talking about "worst" in terms of basic humanity, not the quality of the campaign.

Jeez, rough crowd.

[UMFan83]

Edit: The fact that they seemingly made it a point to break with the traditional timing of the visit (the Nationals trip next year) in order to avoid Trump and/or see Obama makes me even happier.

 

You also see how much influence Theo has in the organization too seeing as a majority of the owners are well known GOP backers and one of them is in Trump's administration.