Is Kris Bryant going to win MVP?

[George Hayduke]

i remember kyle writing something about alcantara being very good after a few weeks in the majors, possibly based on his contact rates, but i don't remember any specific indictment of other prospects as part of it.

 

seems like this would be easy enough to look up. probably somewhere in august/sept of 2014.

Yeah I just tried to look it up, but it was an article and not a thread so I think it was lost in the board crash.

 

I remember the title was a play on 3-2-1 Contact, it was something like "Contact Is the Answer and The Reason Why Alcantara Will Succeed Where Others Fail".

I still have it in the database archive. The title is actually, "Why Alcantara will succeed where Lake and Olt didn't". If you can forgive the html tags, here is the text.

 

Ahh, thanks for setting that straight Tim. Expecting Alcantara to be better than Olt and Lake was a far less egregious proposition.

[Sammy Sofa]

Junior Lake

 

Arismendy Alcantara

 

LIES.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Can we just make the answer "yes" and lock this thread?

[Omar]

*Is Kris Bryant going to win World Series MVP?

[Gmoney08]

I could be wrong, but didn't Kyle write a front page article at one point claiming that Arismendy Alcantara would end up being the most successful player from the Alcantara / Bryant / Baez / Soler group, owing to his higher contact rates?

 

I mean a lot of people (myself included) thought Alcantara would be quite valuable after his strong 2014 debut, and there was legit concern about the swing and miss tendencies of the other three guys. But even at the time, I thought the "Alcantara > Everyone" suggestion was doom bonerism run amok.

I remember sneaky being a big advocate that Alcantara would be better than Baez, but I don't remember Kyle writing anything like that for the front page.

 

Pretty sure Sneaky still thinks Alcantara is better than Baez..

[OleMissCub]

Saw a post elsewhere that said that if KB wins MVP, it'll most certainly be the only time anyone has ever won Golden Spikes, MILB Player of the Year, ROY, and MVP in 4 consecutive seasons. Pretty neat.

[sneakypower]

I could be wrong, but didn't Kyle write a front page article at one point claiming that Arismendy Alcantara would end up being the most successful player from the Alcantara / Bryant / Baez / Soler group, owing to his higher contact rates?

 

I mean a lot of people (myself included) thought Alcantara would be quite valuable after his strong 2014 debut, and there was legit concern about the swing and miss tendencies of the other three guys. But even at the time, I thought the "Alcantara > Everyone" suggestion was doom bonerism run amok.

I remember sneaky being a big advocate that Alcantara would be better than Baez, but I don't remember Kyle writing anything like that for the front page.

 

Pretty sure Sneaky still thinks Alcantara is better than Baez..

eh, more or less probably

[Bull]

Saw a post elsewhere that said that if KB wins MVP, it'll most certainly be the only time anyone has ever won Golden Spikes, MILB Player of the Year, ROY, and MVP in 4 consecutive seasons. Pretty neat.

 

Who has won all 4 (non-consecutive)?

 

edit (answer):

 

None.

 

Bob Horner (GS: 1978, ROY

Jason Jennings ('99, '02)

Buster Posey ('08, '10)

Bryce Harper ('10, '12)

 

These are the only four to have won Golden Spikes and ROY. None of the four won MiLB POY (neither Sporting news or Baseball America).

Only Posey (2012) and Harper (2015) won MVP's.

Edited August 25, 2016 by Bull

[Transmogrified Tiger]

No one has. Canseco did 3 of them in 4 years, but he didn't go to college so he couldn't get the Golden Spikes.

 

It's also worth noting the Golden Spikes started in '78 and BA's Minor League Player of the Year started in '81, which means a couple potential winners of all 4 got excluded by not having the awards to win, Fred Lynn and Andre Dawson to name two.

 

EDIT: Some links for those curious:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Spikes_Award

http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/section/mlb/id/3712056

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2015-minor-league-player-year-blake-snell/#ReyHXRzRio0g5M4o.97

[UMFan83]

Saw a post elsewhere that said that if KB wins MVP, it'll most certainly be the only time anyone has ever won Golden Spikes, MILB Player of the Year, ROY, and MVP in 4 consecutive seasons. Pretty neat.

 

Who has won all 4 (non-consecutive)?

 

I don't think anyone has.

 

Buster Posey and Bryce Harper - Missing Minor League POY

Jose Canseco and Mike Trout - Missing the Golden Spikes award

Kris Bryant - Missing the MVP award (for now)

[OleMissCub]

No one has. Canseco did 3 of them in 4 years, but he didn't go to college so he couldn't get the Golden Spikes.

 

It's also worth noting the Golden Spikes started in '78 and BA's Minor League Player of the Year started in '81, which means a couple potential winners of all 4 got excluded by not having the awards to win, Fred Lynn and Andre Dawson to name two.

 

EDIT: Some links for those curious:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Spikes_Award

http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/section/mlb/id/3712056

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2015-minor-league-player-year-blake-snell/#ReyHXRzRio0g5M4o.97

 

Given where Lynn and Dawson were drafted, neither would have won the Golden Spikes. However, Dawson had a killer season in the minors the year before he was called up and I suspect he might have won MILB POY. Lynn had a standout season in the minors as well. So I bet that they would have had 3 of the 4.

[David]

KB is officially a 7 win player

[Sammy Sofa]

But BR only has him at 6.3. And everyone knows BR is where it's at.

[David]

my god his numbers are just beautiful right now.

 

that slash line

[sneakypower]

is this good

 

http://i.imgur.com/NyXEaBD.png

[Sammy Sofa]

OPS under 1.000 for the last year? BUST.

[sneakypower]

like, that's prime David Ortiz numbers (plus like 50 runs)...(and plus-3B/OF glovework)

 

Dave Cameron looks more ridiculous each day for preferring to pay an extra $25-30M for Trout for increasingly similar play (to say nothing of the Correa total madness)

[sneakypower]

also i feel like a fool for missing the best KB upside comp all along

 

it wasn't ever Glaus, it was Larry Jones (current #2 bb-ref u24 comp)

Edited August 26, 2016 by sneakypower

[seanimal]

he good

[David]

like, that's prime David Ortiz numbers (plus like 50 runs)...(and plus-3B/OF glovework)

 

Dave Cameron looks more ridiculous each day for preferring to pay an extra $25-30M for Trout for increasingly similar play (to say nothing of the Correa total madness)

 

i was just trying to remember where someone said they'd still trade bryant for trout (which, to be fair, could still turn out to very right) and went back into that trout trade thread and saw where a few were saying they'd take harper over trout.

 

 

but yeah, THIS year, bryant is trout-esque so far and only a hair behind him, much cheaper going forward, and a year younger.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I could be wrong, but didn't Kyle write a front page article at one point claiming that Arismendy Alcantara would end up being the most successful player from the Alcantara / Bryant / Baez / Soler group, owing to his higher contact rates?

 

I mean a lot of people (myself included) thought Alcantara would be quite valuable after his strong 2014 debut, and there was legit concern about the swing and miss tendencies of the other three guys. But even at the time, I thought the "Alcantara > Everyone" suggestion was doom bonerism run amok.

I remember sneaky being a big advocate that Alcantara would be better than Baez, but I don't remember Kyle writing anything like that for the front page.

 

 

I wrote that his contact rate and defense meant he was going to stick and be a useful player. Whatever, I was wrong about everything about baseball forever.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why doesn't Kyle post here anymore? I think I've seen him in like 3 game threads the past few months and that's it

 

it was explained to me yesterday that the difference between living in California and living in North Dakota is a lot less time to spend on a message board because there is actually stuff to do in CA.

 

or maybe it's b/c we're not terrible. it doesn't take a ton of time on kyle's post history to see that he's active when the cubs are struggling ("still a good chance this team doesn't win 90 games") and less active when they're doing well (he's bored with the winning).

 

Maybe what we're seeing is: Successful Cubs = Less Kyle.

 

That is part of it. I do love doom bonering. Also my kid keeps breaking computers and phone posting is a pain. Simplifying to a single reason is going to reductive.

 

I'm around.

[David]

i remember your biggest thing was about how if tanking were going to be worth it, the cubs would have to be division dominating juggernauts the likes of which are rarely seen, winning 95+ games every year and always in the playoffs

 

well lol

[Hairyducked Idiot]

i remember your biggest thing was about how if tanking were going to be worth it, the cubs would have to be division dominating juggernauts the likes of which are rarely seen, winning 95+ games every year and always in the playoffs

 

well lol

 

They haven't done that yet. But Epstein really is a player development god so he can take pretty much an approach and succeed.

[David]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-kris-bryant-on-cubs-win-over-dodgers-20160826-premiumvideo.html

 

in this video, KB refers to a run as a point

 

horsefeathering joe is rubbing off

 

 

oh, and i think he refers to the mariners as the marlins