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[soccer10k]

Something like Boise State making it into the CFB playoff and winning.

 

If we're just looking at it odds-wise, it would be a 15 or 16 seed winning the NCAA tournament. Those teams were all at least 2000-1 this year.

[USSoccer]

Something like Boise State making it into the CFB playoff and winning.

 

If we're just looking at it odds-wise, it would be a 15 or 16 seed winning the NCAA tournament. Those teams were all at least 2000-1 this year.

 

Yeah. Like Wolf pointed out, though, sustaining that performance over 36 games and being that much better than all these other moneyed sides just doesn't have a good analog.

 

Maybe like one of those dumpster fire Pirates teams with a $58 dollar payroll from 10 years ago winning the World Series?

[biittner77]

Something like Boise State making it into the CFB playoff and winning.

 

If we're just looking at it odds-wise, it would be a 15 or 16 seed winning the NCAA tournament. Those teams were all at least 2000-1 this year.

 

Even that's no good because winning the NCAA tourney only requires playing well for a few weeks.

[jersey cubs fan]

Something like Boise State making it into the CFB playoff and winning.

 

If we're just looking at it odds-wise, it would be a 15 or 16 seed winning the NCAA tournament. Those teams were all at least 2000-1 this year.

 

Yeah. Like Wolf pointed out, though, sustaining that performance over 36 games and being that much better than all these other moneyed sides just doesn't have a good analog.

 

Maybe like one of those dumpster fire Pirates teams with a $58 dollar payroll from 10 years ago winning the World Series?

It would be a lot harder for a team like that to roll through the 162 game regular season to qualify for the playoffs and then advance through multiple stages of the playoffs and win the world series than to just have the best record after 36 games.

[UMFan83]

The problem with comparing to American professional sports is: a) 3 of the 4 have a salary cap that limits how much a team can spend and b) all 4 leagues have things like revenue sharing and a talent acquisition process that disproportionately favor the worst teams acquiring the top incoming talent.

 

I could be wrong but english football teams are independent from the leagues they are in and there is no collective bargaining or really any sort of guidelines that ensure that there is competitive balance. Yes they share TV money and probably share some sort of revenue, but its not nearly like US sports. Because of this there is such a disparity between the top teams that print money, and the rest of the league. Plus as pointed out, there are no playoffs where a plucky underdog or a team that beefs up midseason can get hot and win it. It's a balanced schedule of 36 teams that one team has to win.

 

The system is almost set up in a way that ensures that something like LCFC doesn't happen.

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[USSoccer]

 

If we're just looking at it odds-wise, it would be a 15 or 16 seed winning the NCAA tournament. Those teams were all at least 2000-1 this year.

 

Yeah. Like Wolf pointed out, though, sustaining that performance over 36 games and being that much better than all these other moneyed sides just doesn't have a good analog.

 

Maybe like one of those dumpster fire Pirates teams with a $58 dollar payroll from 10 years ago winning the World Series?

It would be a lot harder for a team like that to roll through the 162 game regular season to qualify for the playoffs and then advance through multiple stages of the playoffs and win the world series than to just have the best record after 36 games.

 

Very true.

 

Maybe if the expansion Jaguars had won the Super Bowl their first year?

 

There's just not a good American analogue.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The one comparison I saw that helped me put it in perspective: Right now the Braves, at 7-19 and 11 games out of first, are 500 to 1 to win their division.

[CubInOK]

Something like Boise State making it into the CFB playoff and winning.

 

If we're just looking at it odds-wise, it would be a 15 or 16 seed winning the NCAA tournament. Those teams were all at least 2000-1 this year.

Oklahoma's first round opponent in the last NCAA men's basketball was getting 5000-1 to win it.

[CubInOK]

And to think, Leicester's summer transfer window consisted of a fun night in a brothel in Thailand.

[soccer10k]

There's just not a good American analogue.

 

They're really isn't because of the lack of a postseason. You're betting on a team having the best record rather than winning the title here. Do they put those out for American sports? Like what were the odds of the Braves finishing with the best record this year?

[wolf stansson]

There's just not a good American analogue.

 

They're really isn't because of the lack of a postseason. You're betting on a team having the best record rather than winning the title here. Do they put those out for American sports? Like what were the odds of the Braves finishing with the best record this year?

There's just so much more than that too. Promotion/relegation. They only are in the Premier League this year because of the multiple miracles they pulled off in the last 4 matches last year. They should have won the damn championship this year, not the PL. Literally one bounce of a ball different and that's what happens this year. A few bounces of the ball and they could probably be in the third division.

 

Then you get into heavier, less quantifiable barriers like class, economics and regional identity. Being a Cubs fan has historically been pretty tough, but you always know that if your team starts doing everything right, you have as good a chance as anyone to see a championship. That's just not the case in a league set up like England. There is no rational human being who, before this season, could have made a case for having championship ambitions as a Leicester fan. Honestly, as a fan of all but 6 clubs it would have been laughable to have title ambitions. There are so many factors that need to be in place to be a contender in a big league like England. Gazillionaire owner. Attractive location for foreign players with many options in front of them. Facilities that generate revenue. Sustainable fan base that generates revenue. Foreign interest that generates revenue. Even with all of that in place, it's incredibly difficult. See: Liverpool. Arsenal. Tottenham.

 

Leicester just cut the line on all of that stuff and it will never, ever happen again.

[soccer10k]

Even Spurs were 100-1 to win the title before the year and they would have been a crazy story had they won the title. Yet most people had them as somewhere between the 4th and 6th best team coming into the year. 23 of the 30 MLB teams had odds better than 100-1 and the 4th-6th best were around 12-1.

[Banedon]

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[USSoccer]

Too bad the Queen didn't have him thrown in a tower.

[wolf stansson]

The English footy rags finally have an american click bait player they can make semi-believable crap up about.

If you combine the American internet soccer click fiends with the Liverpool internet soccer click fiends, you got some ad bux coming in, mon frere.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3561727/Liverpool-face-competition-Real-Madrid-Manchester-City-pursuit-Borussia-Dortmund-whizzkid-Christian-Pulisic.html

 

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/511372/Liverpool-Jurgen-Klopp-Real-Madrid-Manchester-City-Borussia-Dortmund-Christian-Pulisic

 

 

For the record, if he does reunite with Klopp, I'll root for Liverpool despite my prior feelings on their club culture and the fact that FSG owns them.

[USSoccer]

The English footy rags finally have an american click bait player they can make semi-believable crap up about.

If you combine the American internet soccer click fiends with the Liverpool internet soccer click fiends, you got some ad bux coming in, mon frere.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3561727/Liverpool-face-competition-Real-Madrid-Manchester-City-pursuit-Borussia-Dortmund-whizzkid-Christian-Pulisic.html

 

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/511372/Liverpool-Jurgen-Klopp-Real-Madrid-Manchester-City-Borussia-Dortmund-Christian-Pulisic

 

 

For the record, if he does reunite with Klopp, I'll root for Liverpool despite my prior feelings on their club culture and the fact that FSG owns them.

 

No chance he leaves Dortmund. His dad is a coach there and Tuchel rates him highly.

[wolf stansson]

For the record, if he does reunite with Klopp, I'll root for Liverpool despite my prior feelings on their club culture and the fact that FSG owns them.

 

No chance he leaves Dortmund. His dad is a coach there and Tuchel rates him highly.

Klopp signed him (and his dad, right?) and rates him highly.

 

Either way, I hope he stays in Dortmund for now.

[Banedon]

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[USSoccer]

Ooof.

 

That's a nice ass backyard, though.

[jersey cubs fan]

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oh geez, there was no treatment on the field or in the ambulance

[soccer10k]

So Dembele gets a 6 match ban for an eye gauge/face scrape but Fellaini only gets 3 for elbowing and smacking Huth in the face? Come on, FA. That's ridiculous.

[soccer10k]

Nice job by Newcastle today. Can't beat Villa and now it's pretty likely they're going down. Sunderland is a point up plus they have a game in hand.

[shnsajax]

Leicester could have come out flat but impressed today.

 

 

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[Ryne Ween]

Regarding be LCFC odds you can't compare that to our understanding of American sports futures. There are so few sports books here that they take enourmous margins on futures. If we had more competition we would probably get teams at 5000-1. The odds aren't bookmakers estimation of likelihood.

 

Something like this doesn't happen in the U.S. because the teams at the bottom of the leagues are often not trying to win.

 

What were the 76ers odds this year to win the title? Not anywhere close to 5000-1. But they are less likely to win than LCFC for a number of reasons. Namely, they aren't trying to win and the margins of basketball are much less thin than soccer. The ML odds of any EPL team winning a game are rarely ever higher than -200. In a sport where scoring is so sparse the possibility that a long shot team could sustain for the entire season is greater.

 

The reality is that LCFC was a much better team than was originally thought, they had players make breakthroughs, they didn't spread resources and energy in non-EPL competitions and they got lucky.

 

In retrospect, the way they finished last year made that 5000-1 look great.

[biittner77]

Leicester could have come out flat but impressed today.

 

 

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I think they really wanted to win for the fans. I'll be more impressed if they play that way against Chelsea in the finale.