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Three top 50 offensive prospects after graduating Bryant, Russell, Contreras, Schwarber, Almora and Soler within a year and a half. Not bad.

Poor Javy.

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Three top 50 offensive prospects after graduating Bryant, Russell, Contreras, Schwarber, Almora and Soler within a year and a half. Not bad.

Poor Javy.

Hendricks, too. I know he's not a hitter, but he came up 3 weeks before Javy.

 

So, to recap in chronological order, the Cubs still have 3 top 50 prospects (and possibly more in the top 100) after graduating 8 guys...

 

Hendricks (7.0 fWAR in 61 starts & 1 relief appearance)

Baez (1.1 fWAR in 540 PAs - 1.4 this year in 231)

Soler (0.7 fWAR in 653 PAs)

Bryant (11.5 fWAR in 1035 PAs)

Russell (4.7 fWAR in 857 PAs)

Schwarber (1.8 fWAR in 278 PAs)

Almora (0.7 fWAR in 74 PAs)

Contreras (0.8 fWAR in 93 PAs)

 

...in the last 2 years.

 

That's just crazy. Kudos to Jason and the Cubs scouting and development staffs.

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BA's midseason Cubs top 10:

 

1. Ian Happ

2. Gleyber Torres

3. Eloy Jimenez

4. Mark Zagunis

5. Jeimer Candelario

6. Oscar De La Cruz

7. Dylan Cease

8. Trevor Clifton

9. Duane Underwood Jr

10. Eddy Martinez

 

Rising: Rob Zastryzny and Dan Vogelbach

Falling: Billy McKinney and Pierce Johnson

Graduating: Willson Contreras and Albert Almora

Injured: Oscar De La Cruz and Ryan Williams

Righthander Oscar de la Cruz has missed the first half with forearm tenderness, but he hit 96 mph in a recent Arizona bullpen and was set to report to short-season Eugene soon to start pitching in games, with an assignment to low Class A South Bend on the horizon . . . Righthander Ryan Williams gets tremendous sink when his fastball is in the upper 80s and commands the pitch well. He might be in the big league bullpen by now if he hadn’t been sidelined the last two months by shoulder pain.
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Vogelbach is not in their top 10? Seems strange

 

This is the first time in awhile that I've seen a Cubs prospect list and felt like it was a bit light. Gleyber and Eloy are really good prospects but far away. Our number 6 guy hasnt played this year, number 7 guy hasn't played above short season and might have another significant arm issue.

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Vogelbach is not in their top 10? Seems strange

 

This is the first time in awhile that I've seen a Cubs prospect list and felt like it was a bit light. Gleyber and Eloy are really good prospects but far away. Our number 6 guy hasnt played this year, number 7 guy hasn't played above short season and might have another significant arm issue.

 

To be honest, only one of the 6-10 guys is in my top ten and Cease might fall out depending on the severity of the injury. Heck, Underwood isn't even in my top 20. I think some of this is what Kyle refers to as not getting enough new information on prospects midseason. I'm sure this list will be vastly different and more in line with what we expect after the season.

 

And just an FYI, De La Cruz debuted earlier this week.

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The only people really, really into Vogelbach as an actual ML prospect are some Cubs fans.

 

Come on, we're not talking about Matt Craig ripping up AA as a 25 year old, Vogelbach was a high bonus 2nd rounder and has a .311/.424/.543 line with great peripherals in AAA. He has very real limitations that prevent him from being mega valuable, but we're also talking about a list that made room for Clifton and Underwood so it's not exactly a huge leap of faith to include him.

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i also recall reading like 4 days ago that someone on BP said vogelbach is one of the best hitters still in the minor leagues, so i'm pretty sure that some non-cub fans think he has value too.
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Vogelbach is going to get dealt and the fans of his new team are going to ask horsefeathering tons of chat questions about....."Is he a first division 1B soon?" "Is he the best hitter in the minors?" "Over/Under 5-on how many .850 OPS seasons he puts up."

 

He's not going to be anything other than a secondary piece, but he's going to have a pretty decent MLB career and other teams fans don't know that yet. But Law, Badler, whoever.....Are going to start making fun of all the questions they get on him once he's dealt.

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No surgery is nice:

 

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I don't see how putting anybody in a top 30 organization ranking can be considered overly aggressive.

 

At 11 though? Pretty aggressive after 4 innings in complex ball.

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Today's Ask BA is on the Yankees presumed choice of Torres over Eloy: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/ask-ba-choose-gleyber-torres-eloy-jimenez/#SybqrOMjHocEY23B.97

 

If you’re asking who has a better chance to become a star, the answer is Jimenez. Jimenez has the size, strength and power potential that could see him end up as a middle-of-the-lineup stalwart. His frame and present power make it easier to project him as a future 25-30 home run slugger.

 

But if you’re asking who is the safer bet to be a big league regular, the answer is Torres. Where Jimenez will bring little value defensively—he’s a left fielder who might be able to stretch to fill right field—Torres is a shortstop, one who most scouts believe will be able to stay at the position. So if Jimenez is going to be a useful regular, he has to hit for significant power.

 

Torres doesn’t have nearly as high a bar to clear to be a productive everyday player. If Torres comes close to reaching the average hit/average power he is projected to have, he’ll be a very productive regular.

 

So what gives Torres the edge is his increased defensive value, and a slightly better hit tool, but it was surely a difficult decision for the Yankees.

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Today's Ask BA is on the Yankees presumed choice of Torres over Eloy: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/ask-ba-choose-gleyber-torres-eloy-jimenez/#SybqrOMjHocEY23B.97

 

If you’re asking who has a better chance to become a star, the answer is Jimenez. Jimenez has the size, strength and power potential that could see him end up as a middle-of-the-lineup stalwart. His frame and present power make it easier to project him as a future 25-30 home run slugger.

 

But if you’re asking who is the safer bet to be a big league regular, the answer is Torres. Where Jimenez will bring little value defensively—he’s a left fielder who might be able to stretch to fill right field—Torres is a shortstop, one who most scouts believe will be able to stay at the position. So if Jimenez is going to be a useful regular, he has to hit for significant power.

 

Torres doesn’t have nearly as high a bar to clear to be a productive everyday player. If Torres comes close to reaching the average hit/average power he is projected to have, he’ll be a very productive regular.

 

So what gives Torres the edge is his increased defensive value, and a slightly better hit tool, but it was surely a difficult decision for the Yankees.

 

The guy who covered a country mile before diving on top of the wall to catch a ball in the future's game is likely designated for LF? I have my doubts. He's far smoother running than Soler ever was.

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on the mlbpipeline writeup, callis noted forearm soreness and that he's out until instructs.

 

very curious about him now. I can't help but recall the reports on Jen-ho Tseng before his signing year (another kid that was "filled out" without much physical projection). Albertos sounds like he could be great ... gonna be curious.

 

Reading Callis' writeup about Jose Rosario on that list reminds me of how fascinated I was with him a couple years back.

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MLB.com released their midseason top 100 list and midseason top 30 by team. Three Cubs in the top 100 (using MLB rookie eligibility):

 

23. Willson Contreras

31. Ian Happ

33. Eloy Jimenez

 

Albert Almora Jr graduated and Gleyber Torres came in at 26.

 

The Cubs top 10:

 

1. Willson Contreras

2. Ian Happ

3. Eloy Jimenez

4. Jeimer Candelario

5. Dylan Cease

6. Mark Zagunis

7. Duane Underwood Jr

8. Oscar De La Cruz

9. Trevor Clifton

10. Jose Albertos

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