College Basketball 2015-16

[dawson1989]

Leron Black :roll:

 

Ugh. Maybe a lack of control (real or perceived) will negate the injury excuse and cost Groce his job at the end of the season. This season had some promise, but what a [expletive] train wreck.

 

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[Flames24Rulz]

Leron Black :roll:

 

Ugh. Maybe a lack of control (real or perceived) will negate the injury excuse and cost Groce his job at the end of the season. This season had some promise, but what a [expletive] train wreck.

I feel bad for Groce. A lot of this crap isn't his fault. That said he hasn't recruited to the level we need nor shown enough with X and O's to stick around. Time for a change. Nice guy though, will cheer for him wherever he lands, unlike Weber.

 

Why? Weber was a nice guy too, just not a great coach.

 

Hard for me to feel bad for Groce -- he's a bad coach and was a bad hire from jump.

[Thusly Boned]

Leron Black :roll:

 

Ugh. Maybe a lack of control (real or perceived) will negate the injury excuse and cost Groce his job at the end of the season. This season had some promise, but what a [expletive] train wreck.

 

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Promise is a relative term. I thought we had a borderline shot at being a tournament team until Black/Thorne went down. I suppose it's all just sad commentary at this point.

[illiniguy]

 

Ugh. Maybe a lack of control (real or perceived) will negate the injury excuse and cost Groce his job at the end of the season. This season had some promise, but what a [expletive] train wreck.

I feel bad for Groce. A lot of this crap isn't his fault. That said he hasn't recruited to the level we need nor shown enough with X and O's to stick around. Time for a change. Nice guy though, will cheer for him wherever he lands, unlike Weber.

 

Why? Weber was a nice guy too, just not a great coach.

 

Hard for me to feel bad for Groce -- he's a bad coach and was a bad hire from jump.

Weber is an ego maniac. That press conference after the Purdue game, the fake Bill Self funeral, the constant "I out coached Bill Self" crap, the forcing Brian Carwell off of the team after his teammate left him for dead showed what he was all about. Groce hasn't went insane. He's just in over his head.

[illiniguy]

 

Ugh. Maybe a lack of control (real or perceived) will negate the injury excuse and cost Groce his job at the end of the season. This season had some promise, but what a [expletive] train wreck.

 

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Promise is a relative term. I thought we had a borderline shot at being a tournament team until Black/Thorne went down. I suppose it's all just sad commentary at this point.

You weren't wrong. Ignore the troll. There certainly were pieces to have a good season.

 

Abrams

Nunn

Hill

Black

Thorne

 

Morgan

Finke

JCL

 

that's a tournament level rotation. Not sure if Groce could have coached them there, but there was talent.

[dawson1989]

 

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Promise is a relative term. I thought we had a borderline shot at being a tournament team until Black/Thorne went down. I suppose it's all just sad commentary at this point.

You weren't wrong. Ignore the troll. There certainly were pieces to have a good season.

 

Abrams

Nunn

Hill

Black

Thorne

 

Morgan

Finke

JCL

 

that's a tournament level rotation. Not sure if Groce could have coached them there, but there was talent.

 

Of course you think that.

 

The consensus didn't think they were a top half of the Big Ten team nor a tourney team prior to the season. They are doing what most thought they would.

[illiniguy]

 

Promise is a relative term. I thought we had a borderline shot at being a tournament team until Black/Thorne went down. I suppose it's all just sad commentary at this point.

You weren't wrong. Ignore the troll. There certainly were pieces to have a good season.

 

Abrams

Nunn

Hill

Black

Thorne

 

Morgan

Finke

JCL

 

that's a tournament level rotation. Not sure if Groce could have coached them there, but there was talent.

 

Of course you think that.

 

The consensus didn't think they were a top half of the Big Ten team nor a tourney team prior to the season. They are doing what most thought they would.

 

I've been really hard on the team for about 5 years now, I don't think I am looking at them through rose colored glasses. I think they were projected low because many doubt Groce's ability to coach.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

It's not like "had some promise" is some kind of over the top optimism. Before they lost three starters, they had a chance to be interesting. I don't get why that's controversial.

[dawson1989]

It's not like "had some promise" is some kind of over the top optimism. Before they lost three starters, they had a chance to be interesting. I don't get why that's controversial.

 

When did they have promise? When they lost to NF to start the season? Oh never mind it must have been when they barely beat Yale to get to .500.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

It's not like "had some promise" is some kind of over the top optimism. Before they lost three starters, they had a chance to be interesting. I don't get why that's controversial.

 

When did they have promise? When they lost to NF to start the season? Oh never mind it must have been when they barely beat Yale to get to .500.

 

Again, they were down three starters in both those games. They have some talent, but no depth to overcome being down 3 starters. Of course the complexion of any team is going to change if 60% of the expected starting lineup is missing for nearly the entire season. Enough to go from "had some promise" to "train wreck."

 

Of course Groce being in over his head plays a part as well, but there was certainly some talent to hope on, at least. Not that any of this matters in the least, just didn't get why that was such an outrageous claim.

[illiniguy]

It's not like "had some promise" is some kind of over the top optimism. Before they lost three starters, they had a chance to be interesting. I don't get why that's controversial.

 

When did they have promise? When they lost to NF to start the season? Oh never mind it must have been when they barely beat Yale to get to .500.

 

Again, they were down three starters in both those games. They have some talent, but no depth to overcome being down 3 starters. Of course the complexion of any team is going to change if 60% of the expected starting lineup is missing for nearly the entire season. Enough to go from "had some promise" to "train wreck."

 

Of course Groce being in over his head plays a part as well, but there was certainly some talent to hope on, at least. Not that any of this matters in the least, just didn't get why that was such an outrageous claim.

No one in the modern college game can be down three starters and be expected to win. He knows this, he's just being a toolbox.

 

And to be clear, all I thought was that we had a shot at the tournament.

[mul21]

 

When did they have promise? When they lost to NF to start the season? Oh never mind it must have been when they barely beat Yale to get to .500.

 

Again, they were down three starters in both those games. They have some talent, but no depth to overcome being down 3 starters. Of course the complexion of any team is going to change if 60% of the expected starting lineup is missing for nearly the entire season. Enough to go from "had some promise" to "train wreck."

 

Of course Groce being in over his head plays a part as well, but there was certainly some talent to hope on, at least. Not that any of this matters in the least, just didn't get why that was such an outrageous claim.

No one in the modern college game can be down three starters and be expected to win. He knows this, he's just being a toolbox.

 

And to be clear, all I thought was that we had a shot at the tournament.

 

Yeah, the entire complexion of the team changes if Hill doesn't have to do everything (run point most of the time, be the primary rebounder, play the 4 against bigger guys constantly). He's got more energy to devote to scoring, you have an actual inside presence with Thorne and Black on defense, another guard on the floor who can shoot a little in Abrams, who knows how things end up. Certainly not as a sub .500 team overall.

[NewUserName]

So if everything went well, Illinois would have been mediocre?

 

This would have been totally unacceptable 10 yrs ago. The program has deteriorated to the point that many fans are okay with giving Groce another year because of his bad luck. I am not saying anyone here is calling for g is return. But I hear it a lot in the Champaign area.

[illiniguy]

So if everything went well, Illinois would have been mediocre?

 

This would have been totally unacceptable 10 yrs ago. The program has deteriorated to the point that many fans are okay with giving Groce another year because of his bad luck. I am not saying anyone here is calling for g is return. But I hear it a lot in the Champaign area.

Well that sucks that they are. I am not ok with it, but I just am being realistic. The school hasn't made it a priority. As such, this is what we get. We should have offered so much money that Smart or Stevens couldn't have said no. This time we should do the same with Archie Miller, although I am afraid his relationship with Groce might make that a nonstarter.

[Smack]

Purdue vs IU is going to be crazy tonight. I have little confidence Purdue will win. That being said, Purdue matches up well with IU. I wonder how Bryant will do against Hammons/Haas. If IU gets hot from three Purdue is in trouble. Also, IU SUCKS.

[snoodmonger]

we're gonna give this game away to these bums, aren't we?

[Guest]

So if everything went well, Illinois would have been mediocre?

 

This would have been totally unacceptable 10 yrs ago. The program has deteriorated to the point that many fans are okay with giving Groce another year because of his bad luck. I am not saying anyone here is calling for g is return. But I hear it a lot in the Champaign area.

Well that sucks that they are. I am not ok with it, but I just am being realistic. The school hasn't made it a priority. As such, this is what we get. We should have offered so much money that Smart or Stevens couldn't have said no. This time we should do the same with Archie Miller, although I am afraid his relationship with Groce might make that a nonstarter.

 

this might seem far-fetched, but what about Tom Thibodeau? he's a hard worker, a complete dictator, defensive guru. Is he married to the NBA?

 

He's the type of coach that would fit well at the college level, where he would have complete oversight of the program, no one messing with him to play this guy or that guy, and his grinding of players into the ground actually has a point.

[SpongeWorthy]

Thibs should go to Minnesota IMO. Wiggins, Towns, Lavine, and another high pick to build around and KG in the front office or in some kind of consigliere/enforcer role.

[Guest]

Thibs should go to Minnesota IMO. Wiggins, Towns, Lavine, and another high pick to build around and KG in the front office or in some kind of consigliere/enforcer role.

 

meh, I still think he'd make a better college coach than a pro coach.

[dawson1989]

1. Why is Valentine still being employed? He's horrible and certainly seems to have come in with an agenda to take Hammons out.

 

2. IU likely won't go far in the tournament. Purdue has played horrible yet have stayed in the game and could very well be winning if IU didn't have players who don't normally shoot 3's, shooting and making them.

 

3. Purdue won't go far in the tournament. Effort isn't there consistently enough.

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1. Why is Valentine still being employed? He's horrible and certainly seems to have come in with an agenda to take Hammons out.

 

2. IU likely won't go far in the tournament. Purdue has played horrible yet have stayed in the game and could very well be winning if IU didn't have players who don't normally shoot 3's, shooting and making them.

 

3. Purdue won't go far in the tournament. Effort isn't there consistently enough.

 

 

Uh, everyone on IU does shoot and can make a 3. Granted, Morgan and Bryant have only made 3 this year, but they are 3-6 and 3-9 respectively and you really can't complain about one made 3 each by those guys who were wide open, especially when IU got 1-6 from 3 guys that combine to hit 41% of their 190 3pt attempts in Zeisloft, Hartman, and Niego. If IU doesn't go far in the tournament it's because they won't be shooting in Assembly Hall where they pretty much always shoot like that.

[dawson1989]

1. Why is Valentine still being employed? He's horrible and certainly seems to have come in with an agenda to take Hammons out.

 

2. IU likely won't go far in the tournament. Purdue has played horrible yet have stayed in the game and could very well be winning if IU didn't have players who don't normally shoot 3's, shooting and making them.

 

3. Purdue won't go far in the tournament. Effort isn't there consistently enough.

 

 

Uh, everyone on IU does shoot and can make a 3. Granted, Morgan and Bryant have only made 3 this year, but they are 3-6 and 3-9 respectively and you really can't complain about one made 3 each by those guys who were wide open, especially when IU got 1-6 from 3 guys that combine to hit 41% of their 190 3pt attempts in Zeisloft, Hartman, and Niego. If IU doesn't go far in the tournament it's because they won't be shooting in Assembly Hall where they pretty much always shoot like that.

 

Point was all IU had in the second half was 3's from guys who don't normally shoot them. That's not a recipe for a win streak in the tournament. IU was outshot, out rebounded and out assisted at home. You're not going to win too many games that way.

 

As for Purdue, per usual Painter couldn't make adjustments until it was too late. He continued to try and cram it down in a traditional set when it wasn't working. After it got out of hand he tried a small ball lineup that emphasized movement. The lane was no longer clogged and the offense sprung to life. Too little too late. Painter did it out of desperation. He should have done it when Hammons got his 3rd foul and IU started to pull away.

[dawson1989]

And just because players have a good percentage on the handful of 3's they've attempted doesn't mean they can actually be relied on or expected to make them. Aj Hammons is 4 of 8 this year, I wouldn't call him someone who can shoot 3's well. Just got lucky in a small sample size.

[raw]

1. Why is Valentine still being employed? He's horrible and certainly seems to have come in with an agenda to take Hammons out.

 

2. IU likely won't go far in the tournament. Purdue has played horrible yet have stayed in the game and could very well be winning if IU didn't have players who don't normally shoot 3's, shooting and making them.

 

3. Purdue won't go far in the tournament. Effort isn't there consistently enough.

 

 

Uh, everyone on IU does shoot and can make a 3. Granted, Morgan and Bryant have only made 3 this year, but they are 3-6 and 3-9 respectively and you really can't complain about one made 3 each by those guys who were wide open, especially when IU got 1-6 from 3 guys that combine to hit 41% of their 190 3pt attempts in Zeisloft, Hartman, and Niego. If IU doesn't go far in the tournament it's because they won't be shooting in Assembly Hall where they pretty much always shoot like that.

 

Point was all IU had in the second half was 3's from guys who don't normally shoot them. That's not a recipe for a win streak in the tournament. IU was outshot, out rebounded and out assisted at home. You're not going to win too many games that way.

 

As for Purdue, per usual Painter couldn't make adjustments until it was too late. He continued to try and cram it down in a traditional set when it wasn't working. After it got out of hand he tried a small ball lineup that emphasized movement. The lane was no longer clogged and the offense sprung to life. Too little too late. Painter did it out of desperation. He should have done it when Hammons got his 3rd foul and IU started to pull away.

 

They only had 2 3's all game from guys who don't normally shoot them. They had 1 combined from their 2nd and 4th most productive 3pt shooters. They were outrebounded by 2 against a team that has 3 post players that would be the biggest on IUs roster (and they combined for 39 points). And IU won the turnover battle 13-4. Hitting 3s, not getting destroyed on the boards (IU 8-4 offensive boards), and winning hustle/steals stats will always the recipe for winning against a team that has a huge size advantage.

 

I can only assume you're referencing Williams as a "guy who doesn't normally shoot 3s", but you'd be wrong.....as he averages 1.8 attempts per game and makes 33%. Or maybe it's Bielfeldt, who shoots 1.7 per game, but makes 42%.....again, you're wrong if you think that.

[raw]

And just because players have a good percentage on the handful of 3's they've attempted doesn't mean they can actually be relied on or expected to make them. Aj Hammons is 4 of 8 this year, I wouldn't call him someone who can shoot 3's well. Just got lucky in a small sample size.

 

I think most basketball players who are frontcourt players who even venture out beyond the 3pt line, and then find themselves completely wide open should be expected to make those 3s in those situations. Granted, they shouldn't be in those situations that much. And again, the only person this applies to is Bryant. And Bryant hit ONE three. Hardly a case of "guy getting lucky dooming the opponent". Juwon Morgan also made a 3, but his 6 three point attempts is in proportion to his 27 overall shot attempts, that you can't completely determine him to NOT be a shooter.