Patrick Kane Rape Investigation

[Guest]

I'll bet every single [expletive] dollar I have that Patrick Kane has sexually assaulted someone before this.

 

why do you think that?

[Guest]

yeah, but you're reducing the argument to some trite piece of spineless crap. it's not about prefacing an argument, i don't really care if you preface anything.

 

Sure, you say this, but then turn right around and say THIS:

 

the fact is we don't [expletive] know anything. to assume anything about Kane or about the girl is wrong. Kane's a [expletive] partying douchebag, but that doesn't make him a rapist, no more than being a drunk chick at a party makes the girl a liar. if you believe that he raped her, you are inclined to believe that because of personal bias. if you believe the opposite, you're an [expletive] sports fan of the worst kind.

 

Again with the meaningless bias complaint. Of course what I'm saying about Kane is colored by my opinion of him and what he's accused of; you just don't like hearing it. Obviously what I'm saying isn't any kind of fact, but this nonsense where you keep trying to act like both parties are the victim here is absurd.

 

just trying to understand why you think the way you do. why you would take your feelings and what you understand about a regular person accusing another regular person of rape and project it on to this situation. it would seem that there are some other variables in play and one size doesn't fit all.

 

and both parties here are absolutely potential victims. if he did it, she's the victim, if she's lying, he is. i don't see why that's so [expletive] absurd, you're not thinking reasonably about this at all.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'll bet every single [expletive] dollar I have that Patrick Kane has sexually assaulted someone before this.

 

why do you think that?

 

Because, for the billionth time, I think he's a certain type of scumbag. I don't care if it's biased. I don't care if I'm wrong; if I am I am. Right now I think he's guilty and I really don't give a [expletive] about being "fair" over it and I don't have to be.

 

And someone being famous and/or rich doesn't suddenly skew rape and sexual assault towards false accusations. When someone with money is accused of murder, do you suddenly think there's a much better chance they're being framed? Someone with means is fare more likely to get away with heinous [expletive] because of their means as opposed to being targeted by things like false rape accusations, but you're seemingly trying to infer that the accused being rich suddenly makes the possibility of them being framed for rape something that's likely to happen.

[Sammy Sofa]

and both parties here are absolutely potential victims. if he did it, she's the victim, if she's lying, he is. i don't see why that's so [expletive] absurd, you're not thinking reasonably about this at all.

 

Because, again, it's much more likely that she's the victim.

 

As passionate as you are I seriously doubt you're so determined to be evenhanded when it comes to things like, say, police violence. You're not being "fair" here; you're just as swayed by personal opinion as I am.

[RammyFanny]

i'm not saying him simply being a celebrity makes it different, you're still being lazy, or willfully ignorant, it's the fact that he has money and is an easy target, especially acting the way he does. you think people won't do unethical things for money?

I don't know if this applies to you specifically, but this thought that sports stars are commonly falsely accused of rape to extort money is nonsense. It happens far far less than you think.

 

Edit: I just caught up on the entire convo and see this was kind of already pointed out. My bad for repetitiveness.

[cubbyvirus00]

What we have is an accusation of rape and that is it.

 

 

 

Nothing else.

 

I do agree with Sammy Sofa that Kane has demonstrated foolish behavior in the past and is capable of almost anything. But if one is to remain neutral in the case, you can't come to a conclusion that he's capable of rape.

 

Also Sammy Sofa says that nobody forgot about Kobe's sexual assault case yet all the large financial numbers certainly point to that being false along with his jersey sales. Kobe is still worshiped like a god in California.

[Sammy Sofa]

I wasn't talking about money; that Ween guy was trying to say people forgot about it, period. My point was that despite everything he did or got since then, people do still joke about it or take shots at him over it. It doesn't just go away, even if the accused goes on to make a gajillion dollars.

 

And why should I or anyone else posting here care about "remaining neutral in the case?"

[Guest]

I wasn't talking about money; that Ween guy was trying to say people forgot about it, period. My point was that despite everything he did or got since then, people do still joke about it or take shots at him over it. It doesn't just go away, even if the accused goes on to make a gajillion dollars.

 

And why should I or anyone else posting here care about "remaining neutral in the case?"

 

eh i feel like the kobe thing never comes up anymore and an entire generation of fans doesn't even know it happened

[Sammy Sofa]

Apparently I read too many Deadspin comment sections or just have jerk friends or something.

[cubbyvirus00]

I wasn't talking about money; that Ween guy was trying to say people forgot about it, period. My point was that despite everything he did or got since then, people do still joke about it or take shots at him over it. It doesn't just go away, even if the accused goes on to make a gajillion dollars.

 

And why should I or anyone else posting here care about "remaining neutral in the case?"

 

Well of course the mouth breathing idiots on ESPN.com are going to joke about it. They also 'joke' about sexual orientation and skin color just to stir up a [expletive] storm and incessantly flame each other. Ultimately the numbers show people are buying his jersey and with that, his image. Kobe's just fine.

 

If you don't want to remain neutral and wait to see the outcome of the investigation, I....guess you have that option. With that misplaced and strange emotion, I'm sure you can do a lot more good redirecting it somewhere useful.

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't care about Kobe's bank account; people didn't forget, and atheletes who get wrapped up in this kind of thing today have even less of a chance of it being forgotten and it not impacting their career, thankfully.

 

And what are you even talking about with the second part? You're the guy that acts like every bit of negative Bulls or Bears news is the end of the world; when are you "neutral" about anything?

 

This is what I was talking about before; everything we talk about here is driven by personal opinions, but all of a sudden a popular Chicago athlete is accused of something terrible and suddenly some of the most heated posters here all, "well, nobody should be taking sides" or "we need to be neutral" or "you're just biased!"

[Ryne Ween]

It seems like this discussion has moved on. Just want to point out that Kobe officially confessed to his rape. It wasn't an accusation he validated by confessing it wasn't consentual from her perspective which I think satisfies the technical determination of what rape is. Kane's case in likelihood will never get that far. We should have said about Kobe "people don't care" instead of "forgot". Forgot is more like Scottie pippens history of violence against women. "Don't care" is the Kobe thing.

 

out of curiousty, what had Kane specifically done to make the people in this thread so sure he has done this? Getting bombed in Madison and acting like a punk 5 years ago? Getting in a fight with a cab driver while drunk? These things don't immediately equate to rape. me and Kane are about the same age and I've heard a ton of stories about him being a punk and a creep from people who have interacted with him over the years but absolutely nothing like this. Not saying he didn't do this thing just pointing out I know a hundred guys who have gotten fucked up in Madison who didn't end up raping people.

[cubbyvirus00]

I don't care about Kobe's bank account; people didn't forget, and atheletes who get wrapped up in this kind of thing today have even less of a chance of it being forgotten and it not impacting their career, thankfully.

 

And what are you even talking about with the second part? You're the guy that acts like every bit of negative Bulls or Bears news is the end of the world; when are you "neutral" about anything?

 

This is what I was talking about before; everything we talk about here is driven by personal opinions, but all of a sudden a popular Chicago athlete is accused of something terrible and suddenly some of the most heated posters here all, "well, nobody should be taking sides" or "we need to be neutral" or "you're just biased!"

 

I'm not just talking about Kobe's bank account, I'm talking about why his bank account is bloated. People are still eating him up and buying his image, still. Basically, as long as you're a sports 'hero' a large percentage of people out there will accept you within reason of a crime. Wait til Greg Hardy racks up his sacks this year so we could see 100k people stand up and clap.

 

Yes I engage in some misery porn after my favorite teams [expletive] the bed in a shocking and spectacular fashion. I rarely go into social issues and politics. I dont have the time, stamina or narcissism to post 50k times and last word everybody to death. For that, you should be thankful.

Edited August 14, 2015 by cubbyvirus00

[Sammy Sofa]

You don't know anyone like Patrick Kane. It's a big mistake to try and equate him as being like someone you've known. And outside of what I've explained already, 9 times out of 10 if somebody with some kind of power, be it celebrity or financial or political or as a boss/supervisor/CEO etc., is accused of sexual assault or misconduct I think they're guilty of it, and ESPECIALLY when it's someone who has had that power for a long time or basically grew up with it. Their sense of what they deserved or are owed or what they can take is just so skewed and fucked up. Then you start specifying things like a history of violence and substance abuse and treating women as little more than conquests? That's a real close line that they can fall over very easily.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm not just talking about Kobe's bank account, I'm talking about why his bank account is bloated. People are still eating him up and buying his image, still. Basically, as long as you're a sports 'hero' a large percentage of people out there will accept you within reason of a crime. Wait til Greg Hardy racks up his sacks this year so we could see 100k people stand up and clap.

 

Bottom line, Kobe's career was able to continue like it did because of when that happened; with the way we're inundated with information about these kind of scandals today he'd be toast. Kane isn't have a Kobe career unless he's completely exonerated. Look at a guy like Ray Rice; that's more like what he's going to run into if he can't shake this.

 

Yes I engage in some misery porn after my favorite teams [expletive] the bed in a shocking and spectacular fashion. I dont have the time, stamina or narcissism to post 50k times and last word everybody to death.

 

Man, it's just pointless to expect people to be neutral when almost everything we post here are our opinions.

[Ryne Ween]

I think the Kobe comparison (ie if that happened now he would get railroaded and he's fortunate it happened in 03) is somewhat true.

 

But the Kobe thing would be a more apt comparison if this scandal had been toews. The more likeable bigger star. Kane, at least in my view, is not a hugely popular figure.

[KingCubsFan]

I think the Kobe comparison (ie if that happened now he would get railroaded and he's fortunate it happened in 03) is somewhat true.

 

But the Kobe thing would be a more apt comparison if this scandal had been toews. The more likeable bigger star. Kane, at least in my view, is not a hugely popular figure.

Kane was #1 in jersey sales last year.

[Guest]

I think the Kobe comparison (ie if that happened now he would get railroaded and he's fortunate it happened in 03) is somewhat true.

 

But the Kobe thing would be a more apt comparison if this scandal had been toews. The more likeable bigger star. Kane, at least in my view, is not a hugely popular figure.

Kane was #1 in jersey sales last year.

 

yeah, i was gonna say...as an outsider, that's the exact opposite impression i have. toews the better overall player who as thought of as sort of boring (like tim duncan) while kane is the more popular (and flashy) one.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think the Kobe comparison (ie if that happened now he would get railroaded and he's fortunate it happened in 03) is somewhat true.

 

But the Kobe thing would be a more apt comparison if this scandal had been toews. The more likeable bigger star. Kane, at least in my view, is not a hugely popular figure.

Kane was #1 in jersey sales last year.

 

yeah, i was gonna say...as an outsider, that's the exact opposite impression i have. toews the better overall player who as thought of as sort of boring (like tim duncan) while kane is the more popular (and flashy) one.

 

I swear this isn't a shot at a hockey, buuuuuuuut....doesn't it kind of speak to hockey's relatively insular popularity compared to the other big sports with how little coverage this has gotten? Who are good players to compare him to in other sports? In terms of baseball, would it be safe to say he's kinda been the Mike Trout or Bryce Harper of hockey, or is that overstating his talent? I just thought he was considered one of the very best in the game, and if it was someone of that stature in the other sports ESPN alone would be going nuts with hourly updates and the like.

Edited August 15, 2015 by Sammy Sofa

[Ryne Ween]

i don't pay attention to hockey. But you almost never see these guys faces when you watch a game. I couldn't pick Sydney Crosby out of a lineup. That's part of it. And the other part of it is that hockey is like the 8th most popular sport in America.

[Ryne Ween]

JR Smith being accused of rape would be a bigger story and he's not an nba starter.

[Guest]

I think the Kobe comparison (ie if that happened now he would get railroaded and he's fortunate it happened in 03) is somewhat true.

 

But the Kobe thing would be a more apt comparison if this scandal had been toews. The more likeable bigger star. Kane, at least in my view, is not a hugely popular figure.

Kane was #1 in jersey sales last year.

 

yeah, i was gonna say...as an outsider, that's the exact opposite impression i have. toews the better overall player who as thought of as sort of boring (like tim duncan) while kane is the more popular (and flashy) one.

 

I swear this isn't a shot at a hockey, buuuuuuuut....doesn't it kind of speak to hockey's relatively insular popularity compared to the other big sports with how little coverage this has gotten? Who are good players to compare him to in other sports? In terms of baseball, would it be safe to safe he's kinda been the Mike Trout or Bryce Harper of hockey, or is that overstating his talent? I just thought he was considered one of the very best in the game, and if it was someone of that stature in the other sports ESPN alone would be going nuts with hourly updates and the like.

 

he's very good and exciting but he's not best player in the game good (like trout or harper). his teammate just might be, though.

 

either way, you're right about how much more attention this would get if he played another sport.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think the Kobe comparison (ie if that happened now he would get railroaded and he's fortunate it happened in 03) is somewhat true.

 

But the Kobe thing would be a more apt comparison if this scandal had been toews. The more likeable bigger star. Kane, at least in my view, is not a hugely popular figure.

Kane was #1 in jersey sales last year.

 

yeah, i was gonna say...as an outsider, that's the exact opposite impression i have. toews the better overall player who as thought of as sort of boring (like tim duncan) while kane is the more popular (and flashy) one.

 

I swear this isn't a shot at a hockey, buuuuuuuut....doesn't it kind of speak to hockey's relatively insular popularity compared to the other big sports with how little coverage this has gotten? Who are good players to compare him to in other sports? In terms of baseball, would it be safe to safe he's kinda been the Mike Trout or Bryce Harper of hockey, or is that overstating his talent? I just thought he was considered one of the very best in the game, and if it was someone of that stature in the other sports ESPN alone would be going nuts with hourly updates and the like.

 

he's very good and exciting but he's not best player in the game good (like trout or harper). his teammate just might be, though.

 

either way, you're right about how much more attention this would get if he played another sport.

 

It feels like even if it was a super popular young NASCAR driver there would be more uproar. Hell, maybe even a golfer.

 

[expletive], hockey.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

i don't pay attention to hockey. But you almost never see these guys faces when you watch a game. I couldn't pick Sydney Crosby out of a lineup. That's part of it. And the other part of it is that hockey is like the 8th most popular sport in America.

 

Oh hooray, that guy has arrived in the thread.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wait, what's with the "never see their faces" thing? They're not all wearing goalie masks; hockey player faces are typically more visible in an average game than most football players. Hell, one of the things I can't stand about hockey is how much we have to look at their disgusting hockey faces.