2015 NFL Draft

[Banedon]

McShay mocked DT Danny Shelton from Washington to the Bears in the first round.

 

Insider: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2015&version=2&source=Todd-McShay-Mock-Draft

 

I couldn't actually see it, so I can't give any further info...just got an ESPN alert on my phone.

[jersey cubs fan]

McShay mocked DT Danny Shelton from Washington to the Bears in the first round.

 

Insider: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2015&version=2&source=Todd-McShay-Mock-Draft

 

I couldn't actually see it, so I can't give any further info...just got an ESPN alert on my phone.

 

He has Mariotta sliding to the Jets.

 

Analysis: It's unclear what scheme new head coach John Fox and new defensive coordinator Vic Fangio plan to run in Chicago -- my guess is they'll use something of a hybrid front -- but if they plan to play any 3-4, they'll need some capable bodies. Lamarr Houston and Will Sutton are best at penetrating and disrupting, and their strongest point-of-attack D-lineman, Stephen Paea, is a free agent. Shelton would provide a versatile, big body along the interior, as he commands double-teams against the run and can push the pocket as a pass-rusher. Arik Armstead is another option here, and the Bears also need help at safety and linebacker. But what will they do at the QB position?

[imb]

what a surprise kiper has mariotta going no 1, mcshay has winston going no 1. surely not manufactured in the least

[Banedon]

But what will they do at the QB position?

 

 

[rawaction]

McShay mocked DT Danny Shelton from Washington to the Bears in the first round.

 

Insider: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2015&version=2&source=Todd-McShay-Mock-Draft

 

I couldn't actually see it, so I can't give any further info...just got an ESPN alert on my phone.

 

He has Mariotta sliding to the Jets.

 

Analysis: It's unclear what scheme new head coach John Fox and new defensive coordinator Vic Fangio plan to run in Chicago -- my guess is they'll use something of a hybrid front -- but if they plan to play any 3-4, they'll need some capable bodies. Lamarr Houston and Will Sutton are best at penetrating and disrupting, and their strongest point-of-attack D-lineman, Stephen Paea, is a free agent. Shelton would provide a versatile, big body along the interior, as he commands double-teams against the run and can push the pocket as a pass-rusher. Arik Armstead is another option here, and the Bears also need help at safety and linebacker. But what will they do at the QB position?

 

I don't see Shelton or Armstead as even close to the 7th best player in this draft. Shelton is a decent player, but I'm not picking a NT that high unless I know I'm getting Hloti Ngata. Armstead is a freak athlete, but I think there's a decent 40/60 ish chance that he's there at 39 when the Bears pick in the 2nd. Almost HAVE to go edge rusher because of the value/talent available at #7.

[Banedon]

Over the last five years, in his initial mock drafts, Kiper has successfully predicted a grand total of eight picks correctly (correct player/team/spot). In other words, he's 8 of 160.

 

http://www.phillyvoice.com/last-5-years--mel-kiper-predicted-8-picks-right/

 

If he'd been 100% accurate, the first round picks the last 5 years for the Bears would be:

 

2010: None

2011: Aaron Williams

2012: Michael Floyd

2013: Tyler Eifert

2014: Timmy Jernigan

[rawaction]

Over the last five years, in his initial mock drafts, Kiper has successfully predicted a grand total of eight picks correctly (correct player/team/spot). In other words, he's 8 of 160.

 

http://www.phillyvoice.com/last-5-years--mel-kiper-predicted-8-picks-right/

 

If he'd been 100% accurate, the first round picks the last 5 years for the Bears would be:

 

2010: None

2011: Aaron Williams

2012: Michael Floyd

2013: Tyler Eifert

2014: Timmy Jernigan

 

vs.

 

2011: Gabe Carimi

2012: McClellin

2013: Kyle Long

2014: Kyle Fuller

 

Interesting. Id say the projections are better. But would mean no Jeffery in 2012 2nd round. And no signing of Marty Bennett in 2013.

[Andy]

Over the last five years, in his initial mock drafts, Kiper has successfully predicted a grand total of eight picks correctly (correct player/team/spot). In other words, he's 8 of 160.

 

http://www.phillyvoice.com/last-5-years--mel-kiper-predicted-8-picks-right/

 

If he'd been 100% accurate, the first round picks the last 5 years for the Bears would be:

 

2010: None

2011: Aaron Williams

2012: Michael Floyd

2013: Tyler Eifert

2014: Timmy Jernigan

Initial mock drafts? Like, the mocks now? Because if that's the case, 8 of 160 really isn't that bad considering all the trades and stock changes that happen in 3 months.

[Banedon]

Over the last five years, in his initial mock drafts, Kiper has successfully predicted a grand total of eight picks correctly (correct player/team/spot). In other words, he's 8 of 160.

 

http://www.phillyvoice.com/last-5-years--mel-kiper-predicted-8-picks-right/

 

If he'd been 100% accurate, the first round picks the last 5 years for the Bears would be:

 

2010: None

2011: Aaron Williams

2012: Michael Floyd

2013: Tyler Eifert

2014: Timmy Jernigan

Initial mock drafts? Like, the mocks now? Because if that's the case, 8 of 160 really isn't that bad considering all the trades and stock changes that happen in 3 months.

 

Yeah, I'm not sure what they consider "initial", but yes...I presume he's talking about the way early predictions. And this isn't really a "haha look how wrong he was" exercise. Just a little fun.

[jersey cubs fan]

And this isn't really a "haha look how wrong he was" exercise. Just a little fun.

 

I see he noted about 10 times that "this was just for fun" but there is no other purpose to make such a story than to point out how wrong he was.

[Guest]

Over the last five years, in his initial mock drafts, Kiper has successfully predicted a grand total of eight picks correctly (correct player/team/spot). In other words, he's 8 of 160.

 

http://www.phillyvoice.com/last-5-years--mel-kiper-predicted-8-picks-right/

 

If he'd been 100% accurate, the first round picks the last 5 years for the Bears would be:

 

2010: None

2011: Aaron Williams

2012: Michael Floyd

2013: Tyler Eifert

2014: Timmy Jernigan

Initial mock drafts? Like, the mocks now? Because if that's the case, 8 of 160 really isn't that bad considering all the trades and stock changes that happen in 3 months.

I'm assuming most of the picks that were right were the #1 and #2 picks.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm assuming most of the picks that were right were the #1 and #2 picks.

negative

[Warpticon]

Regarding the earlier discussion: I see Winston going very high, even with his warts, if for no other reason than there's a very steep dropoff after him at the position.

[Derwood]

Regarding the earlier discussion: I see Winston going very high, even with his warts, if for no other reason than there's a very steep dropoff after him at the position.

 

 

On paper, maybe, but this draft looks like one where five years from now, the most successful QB will be some 3rd or 4th rounder no one is talking about right now

[Warpticon]

Regarding the earlier discussion: I see Winston going very high, even with his warts, if for no other reason than there's a very steep dropoff after him at the position.

 

 

On paper, maybe, but this draft looks like one where five years from now, the most successful QB will be some 3rd or 4th rounder no one is talking about right now

 

Based on?

[Derwood]

Regarding the earlier discussion: I see Winston going very high, even with his warts, if for no other reason than there's a very steep dropoff after him at the position.

 

 

On paper, maybe, but this draft looks like one where five years from now, the most successful QB will be some 3rd or 4th rounder no one is talking about right now

 

Based on?

 

Just a hunch. I feel like Winston/Mariota will flame out while some lower round guy could step up

[dew1679666265]

Regarding the earlier discussion: I see Winston going very high, even with his warts, if for no other reason than there's a very steep dropoff after him at the position.

 

I just don't see the dropoff from Winston to Mariota. I agree there is a dropoff in certainty after the two of them, but what is the real difference between Winston and Mariota?

 

Both measured in at basically the same height/weight (6'3, 233 for Winston vs 6'3, 221 for Mariota) and both were highly successful college QBs. Winston worked in more of a pro-style system than Mariota and is a bit more polished, but all signs indicate that Mariota is smart and a very hard worker who will put in the effort to get acclimated. If we were talking about a guy with clear accuracy issues or questionable arm strength I could understand the perceived gap between the two, but Mariota has NFL skills.

 

Should there be a gap between the two? Yes, but it shouldn't be very large. Winston has humongous off the field questions and Mariota has significant acclimation questions. To me, they're much closer than most experts seem to think.

[dew1679666265]

Regarding the earlier discussion: I see Winston going very high, even with his warts, if for no other reason than there's a very steep dropoff after him at the position.

 

 

On paper, maybe, but this draft looks like one where five years from now, the most successful QB will be some 3rd or 4th rounder no one is talking about right now

 

Based on?

 

Just a hunch. I feel like Winston/Mariota will flame out while some lower round guy could step up

 

I think there's merit to that. I think Mariota's flameout chances are smaller than you seem to be implying, but they are there and there are some later round guys I'm intrigued by (Sims and Petty for instance).

[rawaction]

Regarding the earlier discussion: I see Winston going very high, even with his warts, if for no other reason than there's a very steep dropoff after him at the position.

 

 

On paper, maybe, but this draft looks like one where five years from now, the most successful QB will be some 3rd or 4th rounder no one is talking about right now

 

I don't think you realize how little this happens. The only QBs who started a game this year from rounds 3-4 are Nick Foles, Josh McCown, Kirk Cousins, Kyle Orton and Mike Glennon. And they all sucked royally. Youre more likely to get a good QB in the 6th round or as a UDFA. Mid round QBs are purgatory. If u aren't getting a guy top 45, you might as well take a shot in the dark as nd hope u luck into Brady or Romo.

[shnsajax]

I wouldn't be surprised if Petty turns out to be the best pro.

[rawaction]

BTW, my nephew recorded the best 40 and vertical of all the TEs at the combine today.

[shnsajax]

BTW, my nephew recorded the best 40 and vertical of all the TEs at the combine today.

 

So your saying your actually really old ;-).

[rawaction]

BTW, my nephew recorded the best 40 and vertical of all the TEs at the combine today.

 

So your saying your actually really old ;-).

 

OLDER brother's son. He ran more yards in the 40 that I have aged in years (barely)!

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

To go along with his off the field issues Winston has shown a lack of arm strength in the combine and ran an unimpressive 40 time. Maybe he was injured which hurt his workouts but I wouldn't be shocked to see his stock drop in the draft.

[Warpticon]

Regarding the earlier discussion: I see Winston going very high, even with his warts, if for no other reason than there's a very steep dropoff after him at the position.

 

 

On paper, maybe, but this draft looks like one where five years from now, the most successful QB will be some 3rd or 4th rounder no one is talking about right now

 

Based on?

 

Just a hunch. I feel like Winston/Mariota will flame out while some lower round guy could step up

 

So you think some guy you don't even know exists will be better, just because. Okay.

 

Regarding the earlier discussion: I see Winston going very high, even with his warts, if for no other reason than there's a very steep dropoff after him at the position.

 

I just don't see the dropoff from Winston to Mariota. I agree there is a dropoff in certainty after the two of them, but what is the real difference between Winston and Mariota?

 

Both measured in at basically the same height/weight (6'3, 233 for Winston vs 6'3, 221 for Mariota) and both were highly successful college QBs. Winston worked in more of a pro-style system than Mariota and is a bit more polished, but all signs indicate that Mariota is smart and a very hard worker who will put in the effort to get acclimated. If we were talking about a guy with clear accuracy issues or questionable arm strength I could understand the perceived gap between the two, but Mariota has NFL skills.

 

Should there be a gap between the two? Yes, but it shouldn't be very large. Winston has humongous off the field questions and Mariota has significant acclimation questions. To me, they're much closer than most experts seem to think.

 

I meant after Mariotta and Winston, the pickings are pretty slim on high-ceiling talent at the position this year.