NFL Playoffs Thread (again with less Suh)

[dew1679666265]

I'm with gooney on this one. I leaned catch when I saw it live, but Dez only had any real grip on the ball for a split second and clearly wasn't gripping it firmly if it bounced completely out of his hand when he hit the ground (which it did). There was also no football move, as just stretching out your arm doesn't/shouldn't cut it. If there's no "football move" and the ball jostles loose upon hitting the ground, I don't see where the debate is.

 

The Megatron "catch" was much, much closer than this one to an actual catch. This was a great effort and I feel bad for Dez because of how close it was, but the replay showed it was pretty clearly not a catch and I have no problem with it.

[Banedon]

[minnesotacubsfan]

My thing with the call is that at no point does the ball hit the ground. The ball is dislodged from Dez' hands, but he then catches it again. And he was never out of bounds. Just awful all around.

It was dislodged by the ground.

 

How can you tell? I never saw on a replay the ball actually touch the ground

[Sammys Boombox]

My thing with the call is that at no point does the ball hit the ground. The ball is dislodged from Dez' hands, but he then catches it again. And he was never out of bounds. Just awful all around.

It was dislodged by the ground.

 

How can you tell? I never saw on a replay the ball actually touch the ground

 

How are people making this claim? It was obviously shown during the broadcast.

[Guest]

For the last 6-7 years (except last year), there's been a team at least a 6 point underdog (might even be 7) that has won outright. We're in range with Indy right now.

[imb]

Yeah the ball definitely hit the ground, but if you've got possession, THREE feet in and it touches when you reach for the end zone, that should probably not count imo.

[rawaction]

I actually think the blocker was trying to get the defender away from the returner on that one. The defender flat out hit the returner. The blocker was going backwards. He would have had to pull (aka hold) the defender to keep him away from the return man.

[Guest]

So Cribbs had enough possession of that ball to be down by contact but the Bryant play wasn't a catch?

 

Ok NFL.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So Cribbs had enough possession of that ball to be down by contact but the Bryant play wasn't a catch?

 

Ok NFL.

 

That's my issue. I'm ok if the rules say Bryant's catch wasn't a catch even though I saw it differently, but it's like the rules have such a gray area that nothing makes sense anymore.

[imb]

Lol refs made that call on cribbs just to [expletive] with me

[Guest]

So Cribbs had enough possession of that ball to be down by contact but the Bryant play wasn't a catch?

 

Ok NFL.

 

LOL. Exactly what I was thinking. Needed these refs in Green Bay.

[rawaction]

There's a difference between going to the ground and being knocked/tackled to the ground.

[Guest]

Yeah the ball definitely hit the ground, but if you've got possession, THREE feet in and it touches when you reach for the end zone, that should probably not count imo.

Yeah, wouldnt a gootball move imply the catch is complete?

[imb]

The "football move" thing is weird anyway. You snatch one in the back of the end zone, and tap two bug toes down and it's a TD. You don't need a football move?

[OleMissCub]

Is switching hands and then stretching out not a football move?

 

 

[Guest]

Rooting for Colts-Packers.

 

Fully expecting Seahawks-Patriots.

[jersey cubs fan]

The "football move" thing is weird anyway. You snatch one in the back of the end zone, and tap two bug toes down and it's a TD. You don't need a football move?

If the ball dislodged like it did here it would not be a td. You have to come down and maintain possession.

[imb]

But the ball dislodged because he had possession and reached for the goal line

[rawaction]

But the ball dislodged because he had possession and reached for the goal line

 

That's the part I don't get. The rule is if the momentum of the catch takes you to the ground, you have to maintain possession thru landing on the ground. I think Dez did, but reached for the goalline. Basically, they are saying this was all 1 motion, in which case that would be a correct interpretation of the rule. The steps dont matter because he wasn't running on his own. He was stumbling toward the ground (due to the momentum of the catch).

 

Dez should have just hit the ground and not tried to reach for the end zone, then he would have never lost it. I think you should be able to seperate the 2 different motions, but the rules don't allow that.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The "football move" thing is weird anyway. You snatch one in the back of the end zone, and tap two bug toes down and it's a TD. You don't need a football move?

If the ball dislodged like it did here it would not be a td. You have to come down and maintain possession.

 

He did come down, he took 3 steps. Megatron fell down on his infamous catch

[Sammys Boombox]

The "football move" thing is weird anyway. You snatch one in the back of the end zone, and tap two bug toes down and it's a TD. You don't need a football move?

 

You still have to maintain possession all the way to the ground in that instance too.

[imb]

But how can you maintain possession w/o the ever critical football move? Without it, you technically don't even have possession

[rawaction]

But how can you maintain possession w/o the ever critical football move? Without it, you technically don't even have possession

 

Football move doens't apply to the Dez play, because he was headed down as he caught the ball

Football move doesn't apply in back of the end zone because play is over when there are 2 feet down, provided he doesn't then head to the ground from catching the ball.

Football move only applies when a fumble is forced by the defense.

[imb]

I don't think that's right

[Careless]

That's a catch and a fumble. He took two steps while in control of the ball.

Nope

 

He took his first step while bobbling the ball, then took two more while in possession of the ball. That should be a catch.

 

"If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete."

 

No mention of taking steps

the "steps" come into "in the act of catching a pass"

 

After a certain point, the player is no longer in the act.