2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[Sammy Sofa]

Don't know why Marinelli was mad when Emery didn't go with his head coach recommendation. Rod wasn't the GM. Bears management thought that there was a chance the new GM or coach would keep him. Can't understand his hard feelings.

 

If he was mad from the standpoint that he thought he was basically running the show or that he had a equal say in the final call, yeah, that's ridiculous on his part. But if he was mad because he thought Trestman was a terrible choice and he felt they completely ignored his input, OK, then I get being pissed off.

Edited December 30, 2014 by Sammy Sofa

[minnesotacubsfan]

Don't know why Marinelli was mad when Emery didn't go with his head coach recommendation. Rod wasn't the GM. Bears management thought that there was a chance the new GM or coach would keep him. Can't understand his hard feelings.

 

If he wasd mad from the standpoint that he thought he was basically running the show or that he had a equal say in the final call, yeah, that's ridiculous on his part. But if he was mad because he thought Trestman was a terrible choice and he felt they completely ignored his input, OK, then I get being pissed off.

 

Yea, I get the frustration over hating Trestman

[Guest]

That's a weird reason not to give Angelo credit for Thomas Jones. Like the opposite of a reason.

[jersey cubs fan]

Don't know why Marinelli was mad when Emery didn't go with his head coach recommendation. Rod wasn't the GM. Bears management thought that there was a chance the new GM or coach would keep him. Can't understand his hard feelings.

 

He was asked to give input on the next hire and the Bears chose the guy he listed last (if story is true). It's kind of weird that he was asked but if you are asked and they go a completely opposite direction it makes perfect sense why you would be upset and is really weird that you don't understand.

[minnesotacubsfan]

That's a weird reason not to give Angelo credit for Thomas Jones. Like the opposite of a reason.

 

Yea, i felt the same after I posted it and really meant more about his drafting abilities.

[Flames24Rulz]

Didn't the Bears actually have a pretty good offensive line in the mid 2000's?

[Guest]

Didn't the Bears actually have a pretty good offensive line in the mid 2000's?

 

yeah and it fell apart due in large part to a couple of major draft pick failures

[Flames24Rulz]

Didn't the Bears actually have a pretty good offensive line in the mid 2000's?

 

yeah and it fell apart due in large part to a couple of major draft pick failures

 

That's what I thought but he does deserve some credit for bringing in some of those guys during that run. Of course, he totally botched the line the last several years of his tenure.

[Guest]

Didn't the Bears actually have a pretty good offensive line in the mid 2000's?

Their SB team was kinda a patch work line of vets that stayed healthy all 16 games and was good. Angelo ignored it in the draft for a while continuing to try and patch a OL together until he more or less whiffed on two first round OT.

[jersey cubs fan]

Didn't the Bears actually have a pretty good offensive line in the mid 2000's?

 

Yes. The problem was not that Angelo "ignored" it. His first pick was an OT who was probably on pace to be decent before breaking. They spent a lot of money on free agents. They actually set-up a good like but those guys also fell apart and Angelo failed by being content with the line for several years and not providing a steady stream that would be ready to step in when the old guys died. He spent more 1st round picks on OT than any other position.

[RammyFanny]

Man, all the meatballs are really in love with the "Virginia's pissed off" quote. Watching it live, it looked like the most stupid scripted response ever.

[Ryne Ween]

In the 4 years cutler started for lovie they were 34-22 and trending upward Te last three years were 10-5, 7-3, 10-5. Firing angelo was bad because they hired an idiot to replace him. Firing lovie was the worst thing ever. They should have John Paxson'd Angelo and le him hire a GM. The Lovie-Cutler combo would have resulted in a SUper Bowl eventually. Lovies teams were great with cutler at QB.

[Guest]

Didn't the Bears actually have a pretty good offensive line in the mid 2000's?

 

yeah and it fell apart due in large part to a couple of major draft pick failures

 

That's what I thought but he does deserve some credit for bringing in some of those guys during that run. Of course, he totally botched the line the last several years of his tenure.

 

Right. I just mentioned why because it had nothing to do with deeply ignoring the line as minny suggested.

[Sammy Sofa]

Firing lovie was the worst thing ever. They should have John Paxson'd Angelo and le him hire a GM. The Lovie-Cutler combo would have resulted in a SUper Bowl eventually. Lovies teams were great with cutler at QB.

 

This may be the craziest thing you've ever posted here, and that's saying something.

 

Lovie's teams won because of the defense. Lovie's focus was on the defense. The defense, however, would not have been immune to the wall of age it ran into if Lovie stuck around. If anything, Lovie got out at the right time because last year probably would have been even worse under him.

[jersey cubs fan]

Right. I just mentioned why because it had nothing to do with deeply ignoring the line as minny suggested.

 

It had something to do with it, because he did ignore it in the draft. He went 5 years without a linemen taken in the top 4 or 5 rounds. That is just too long to ignore 45% of your starting offense that regularly uses 6 or 7 guys in a season.

[jersey cubs fan]

Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell 23s23 seconds ago

Bears have requested interview with Broncos OC Adam Gase for their HC vacancy, league source confirms.

 

Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell 22s23 seconds ago

Bears' interview with Gase would have to take place in Denver this week or wait until after Broncos season ends, per NFL rules.

[Ryne Ween]

Firing lovie was the worst thing ever. They should have John Paxson'd Angelo and le him hire a GM. The Lovie-Cutler combo would have resulted in a SUper Bowl eventually. Lovies teams were great with cutler at QB.

 

This may be the craziest thing you've ever posted here, and that's saying something.

 

Lovie's teams won because of the defense. Lovie's focus was on the defense. The defense, however, would not have been immune to the wall of age it ran into if Lovie stuck around. If anything, Lovie got out at the right time because last year probably would have been even worse under him.

 

They had successfully cycled through top defensive players while not bottoming out in the past. Tommie Harris, agunleye, alex brown, vasher, mike brown etc. lovie was good at getting guys into his system. I have no doubt the defense would have continued to be better than average.

[jersey cubs fan]

Firing lovie was the worst thing ever. They should have John Paxson'd Angelo and le him hire a GM. The Lovie-Cutler combo would have resulted in a SUper Bowl eventually. Lovies teams were great with cutler at QB.

 

This may be the craziest thing you've ever posted here, and that's saying something.

 

Lovie's teams won because of the defense. Lovie's focus was on the defense. The defense, however, would not have been immune to the wall of age it ran into if Lovie stuck around. If anything, Lovie got out at the right time because last year probably would have been even worse under him.

 

They had successfully cycled through top defensive players while not bottoming out in the past. Tommie Harris, agunleye, alex brown, vasher, mike brown etc. lovie was good at getting guys into his system. I have no doubt the defense would have continued to be better than average.

 

He shuffled news guys into his system but he did not do that at all in the latter half of his tenure. That was a big part of the problem. Starting with the 2007 draft he had more influence and it backfired.

[Sammy Sofa]

Firing lovie was the worst thing ever. They should have John Paxson'd Angelo and le him hire a GM. The Lovie-Cutler combo would have resulted in a SUper Bowl eventually. Lovies teams were great with cutler at QB.

 

This may be the craziest thing you've ever posted here, and that's saying something.

 

Lovie's teams won because of the defense. Lovie's focus was on the defense. The defense, however, would not have been immune to the wall of age it ran into if Lovie stuck around. If anything, Lovie got out at the right time because last year probably would have been even worse under him.

 

They had successfully cycled through top defensive players while not bottoming out in the past. Tommie Harris, agunleye, alex brown, vasher, mike brown etc. lovie was good at getting guys into his system. I have no doubt the defense would have continued to be better than average.

 

There was no cycling happening at the end of his run; their draft picks were failing left and right, so do you honestly think that in a single offseason the presence of Lovie Smith as HC alone would have been enough to suddenly reverse that course and prevent the old defense from collapsing into the cellar?

 

Lovie Smith doesn't reverse the aging process on Briggs and Peppers. Lovie Smith doesn't prevent Tillman from being injured. Hell, the only thing he possibly changes is them stupidly retaining Urlacher and he was nothing at that point.

[Guest]

There was no cycling happening at the end of his run; their draft picks were failing left and right, so do you honestly think that in a single offseason the presence of Lovie Smith as HC alone would have been enough to suddenly reverse that course and prevent the old defense from collapsing into the cellar?

 

Lovie Smith doesn't reverse the aging process on Briggs and Peppers. Lovie Smith doesn't prevent Tillman from being injured. Hell, the only thing he possibly changes is them stupidly retaining Urlacher and he was nothing at that point.

 

Yes. I think a pretty significant part of the reason the defense fell as far as it did was coaching and, given what we've heard about the Lovie guys not buying in, probably motivation to some degree.

 

The other major reason was a ton of injuries which, who knows. Butterfly effect and such.

[Ryne Ween]

Firing lovie was the worst thing ever. They should have John Paxson'd Angelo and le him hire a GM. The Lovie-Cutler combo would have resulted in a SUper Bowl eventually. Lovies teams were great with cutler at QB.

 

This may be the craziest thing you've ever posted here, and that's saying something.

 

Lovie's teams won because of the defense. Lovie's focus was on the defense. The defense, however, would not have been immune to the wall of age it ran into if Lovie stuck around. If anything, Lovie got out at the right time because last year probably would have been even worse under him.

 

They had successfully cycled through top defensive players while not bottoming out in the past. Tommie Harris, agunleye, alex brown, vasher, mike brown etc. lovie was good at getting guys into his system. I have no doubt the defense would have continued to be better than average.

 

There was no cycling happening at the end of his run; their draft picks were failing left and right, so do you honestly think that in a single offseason the presence of Lovie Smith as HC alone would have been enough to suddenly reverse that course and prevent the old defense from collapsing into the cellar?

 

Lovie Smith doesn't reverse the aging process on Briggs and Peppers. Lovie Smith doesn't prevent Tillman from being injured. Hell, the only thing he possibly changes is them stupidly retaining Urlacher and he was nothing at that point.

 

Yes I do believe they would have gotten more out of the talent they had last year and this year. Definitely. Trestman and his staff are tht bad that hey could take a team I believe would have competed for a title under lovie and turned it into a joke. This assumes cutlers health.

 

Bottom line is that cutler an lovie won a lot. I think an Angelo-Emery-Lovie combo would be a winning one. Somebody, maybe Angelo, could have stopped emery from reaching and they could have made a good squad together.

[Sammy Sofa]

Having Lovie last year means you likely wouldn't have seen the short-lived bright spots of the offense responding under Trestman. So couple that worse offense with an aging defense that Lovie couldn't save unless he was a sorcerer and it blows my mind that you think they would have been better; at beast you would have likely seen the same .500 record. Guys didn't break down because Lovie was gone. There's only so much he could have done with the resources at his disposal because he and the other people in charge had failed so spectacularly for years to properly draft and develop new talent.

[hawkeyecub]

nm Edited December 30, 2014 by hawkeyecub

[jersey cubs fan]

There was no cycling happening at the end of his run; their draft picks were failing left and right, so do you honestly think that in a single offseason the presence of Lovie Smith as HC alone would have been enough to suddenly reverse that course and prevent the old defense from collapsing into the cellar?

 

Lovie Smith doesn't reverse the aging process on Briggs and Peppers. Lovie Smith doesn't prevent Tillman from being injured. Hell, the only thing he possibly changes is them stupidly retaining Urlacher and he was nothing at that point.

 

Yes. I think a pretty significant part of the reason the defense fell as far as it did was coaching and, given what we've heard about the Lovie guys not buying in, probably motivation to some degree.

 

The other major reason was a ton of injuries which, who knows. Butterfly effect and such.

 

I think the 2013 defense would have been better with Lovie, but the offense would have been worse and they would not have won enough.

[Guest]

The Martz years were the best I felt about the balance of this team on all phases. It just sucked that it took Martz so long to dial down his offense both years and stop putting so much pressure on the OL. The 2010 team was very good and the 2011 team was rolling when Cutler went down. Like really rolling.

 

And that he wasn't given any talent (and was too stubborn to use some of what he did have).