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Jesse Rogers ‏@ESPNChiCubs 1m1 minute ago

Anyway, been told nothing going on with Nats and I don't believe there is so back to chasing R. Martin. Now that's for real

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I asked if Steamer was any good because of stuff like Zimmerman having a 2.9 WAR projection for next year coming off a 5.2, and not having a number that low in any of his 4 full seasons.

 

Am I missing something?

 

On a per IP basis, that projection looks to be pretty similar to his 2012 and 2013, if a bit pessimistic. As to why it's only projecting 180 IP, I dunno, maybe his 2010 is still held against him.

 

It's got him 1 win per 62.8 innings.

 

'14 - 38.4

'13 - 59.3

'12 - 57.5

 

Seems silly.

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I asked if Steamer was any good because of stuff like Zimmerman having a 2.9 WAR projection for next year coming off a 5.2, and not having a number that low in any of his 4 full seasons.

 

Am I missing something?

 

On a per IP basis, that projection looks to be pretty similar to his 2012 and 2013, if a bit pessimistic. As to why it's only projecting 180 IP, I dunno, maybe his 2010 is still held against him.

 

It's got him 1 win per 62.8 innings.

 

'14 - 38.4

'13 - 59.3

'12 - 57.5

 

Seems silly.

 

The projection will include the risk that he has TJS and misses a significant portion of the season or has a smaller injury. That cuts a significant % of his IPs off.

 

As for the rate stats decreasing, I don't know what that will be due to. Regression to the mean? Age? Seems very harsh, especially considering how great his FIP was. It's not like he massively over-achieved last year.

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this is what keith law said about masterson:

 

35Justin Masterson

AGE: 29DOB: 3/22/1985HT: 6-6WT: 250POS: RHP

W-L 7-9ERA 5.88WHIP 1.63SO 116BB 69WAR -1.6

Masterson may be signed to be some team's starter, a role he has succeeded at in the past. But his history and skill set both point to a superior future in the bullpen. Lefties get such a good look at the ball with his near-sidearm slot, from which it's very difficult to turn over a changeup, that they've posted a .287/.367/.427 slash line against him in his career, including a .320/.408/.502 in his dismal 2014 campaign. Against righties, however, he'll be devastating, giving up so little power -- right-handed batters have slugged .301 against him in his career -- that he can be allowed to face the occasional lefty and try to overpower him. He also provides long-relief potential, something the Giants and manager Bruce Bochy used to their advantage in the postseason.

 

If he'll take $5 million a year and agree to work in relief, he's good value, but if he wants starter money and a rotation job, I'm out.

 

 

seems reasonable. if he's wiling to contend for a starting job but pitch regularly in relief if he misses out on a starter job, then he's a good target.

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this is what keith law said about masterson:

 

35Justin Masterson

AGE: 29DOB: 3/22/1985HT: 6-6WT: 250POS: RHP

W-L 7-9ERA 5.88WHIP 1.63SO 116BB 69WAR -1.6

Masterson may be signed to be some team's starter, a role he has succeeded at in the past. But his history and skill set both point to a superior future in the bullpen. Lefties get such a good look at the ball with his near-sidearm slot, from which it's very difficult to turn over a changeup, that they've posted a .287/.367/.427 slash line against him in his career, including a .320/.408/.502 in his dismal 2014 campaign. Against righties, however, he'll be devastating, giving up so little power -- right-handed batters have slugged .301 against him in his career -- that he can be allowed to face the occasional lefty and try to overpower him. He also provides long-relief potential, something the Giants and manager Bruce Bochy used to their advantage in the postseason.

 

If he'll take $5 million a year and agree to work in relief, he's good value, but if he wants starter money and a rotation job, I'm out.

 

 

seems reasonable. if he's wiling to contend for a starting job but pitch regularly in relief if he misses out on a starter job, then he's a good target.

 

After reading that, I kinda want a 7 man rotation of Arrieta/Zimmermann/Hendricks with Wada/Masterson and Doubront/Turner (or similar L/R pairing) piggy-backing the 4/5 spots.

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alcantara and castro for zimmerman and harper.

 

And with that, I have departed the realm of possibility...

 

You could add Baez and more to that package and I'd still be cool with it.

 

And the Nats still wouldn't

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alcantara and castro for zimmerman and harper.

 

And with that, I have departed the realm of possibility...

 

You could add Baez and more to that package and I'd still be cool with it.

 

And the Nats still wouldn't

 

haha remember when you wouldn't trade castro for harper

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alcantara and castro for zimmerman and harper.

 

And with that, I have departed the realm of possibility...

 

You could add Baez and more to that package and I'd still be cool with it.

 

And the Nats still wouldn't

 

haha remember when you wouldn't trade castro for harper

 

That was Trout, stupid.

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alcantara and castro for zimmerman and harper.

 

And with that, I have departed the realm of possibility...

 

You could add Baez and more to that package and I'd still be cool with it.

 

And the Nats still wouldn't

 

haha remember when you wouldn't trade castro for harper

 

That was Trout, stupid.

 

Nah, I think I was thinking about my reaction to you only saying "probably" here viewtopic.php?p=2919074#p2919074 in May of last year.

 

I could've sworn there was actually a no at some point, though.

 

Not that Harper wasn't a tad underwhelming in 2014.

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Nah, I think I was thinking about my reaction to you only saying "probably" here viewtopic.php?p=2919074#p2919074 in May of last year.

 

I could've sworn there was actually a no at some point, though.

 

Not that Harper wasn't a tad underwhelming in 2014.

 

That was March. That exchange makes me sad because I thought Castro would take a leap in '13 after having a full year of competent instruction. Instead he laid a giant steaming turd.

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Nah, I think I was thinking about my reaction to you only saying "probably" here viewtopic.php?p=2919074#p2919074 in May of last year.

 

I could've sworn there was actually a no at some point, though.

 

Not that Harper wasn't a tad underwhelming in 2014.

 

That was March. That exchange makes me sad because I thought Castro would take a leap in '13 after having a full year of competent instruction. Instead he laid a giant steaming turd.

 

Blah. I can't read.

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@CSNMooney Theo on Zimmermann/#Nationals rumor: “I’m not going to talk much about it, but that one kind of took on a life of its own in the media.”
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@CSNMooney Theo on Zimmermann/#Nationals rumor: “I’m not going to talk much about it, but that one kind of took on a life of its own in the media.”

 

Aka: [expletive] Gordon Wittenmeyer.

 

He's the worst.

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If you're going to validate this sample size, you damn well better start worrying about Lester.

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