Jordan Zimmermann?

[SouthSideRyan]

is there any chance he comes way cheaper than we expect because he's only got a year left?

 

alcantara, almora, vogelbach or something?

 

1.5 years of Samardzija, an inferior pitcher, got Addison Russell.

 

And Jason Hammel

 

Because our FO is awesome

 

And Billy McKinney. And the guy on the other side of that trade is pretty damn great too

[SouthSideRyan]

Another gem from Brett at BN: "Castro has far more value than Zimmerman right now".

 

He does.

 

So you wouldn't do Castro for Zimmerman straight up with Zimmerman agreeing to an extension at market value?

 

No.

 

Depending on the details and any other players involved, at that point I would consider Baez.

 

But think of the surplus value!

[Deeg]

If Theo tried to get Zimmerman for Castro straight up, the real negotiations would start only when Rizzo stopped laughing.

[Tryptamine]

Another gem from Brett at BN: "Castro has far more value than Zimmerman right now".

 

He does.

 

That's a fantasy.

 

You honestly don't believe 6 more years of Castro is worth a single year of Jordan Zimmerman? I mean that's not even close to equal value given the contract Castro has.

[thefranchise]

Sign Hammel so then trade Russell for Zimmerman so then we essentially traded Samardzija for Zimmerman and McKinney.

 

Not advocating that btw.

[Guest]

If Theo tried to get Zimmerman for Castro straight up, the real negotiations would start only when Rizzo stopped laughing.

 

You normally make way smarter arguments than this.

[Guest]

If Theo tried to get Zimmerman for Castro straight up, the real negotiations would start only when Rizzo stopped laughing.

 

uh, LOL?

[SouthSideRyan]

I asked if Steamer was any good because of stuff like Zimmerman having a 2.9 WAR projection for next year coming off a 5.2, and not having a number that low in any of his 4 full seasons.

 

Am I missing something?

[JennieGarthAlgar]

If Theo tried to get Zimmerman for Castro straight up, the real negotiations would start only when Rizzo stopped laughing.

 

ZzzzZzzzzzzzzzz.....

[Deeg]

Zimmerman is arguably one of 3-4 best SP in baseball, based on his last two seasons. Castro is an average defensive SS coming off a very good season (not a great one) after one awful and one mediocre one. Yes, Castro's contract is a good one - but Cub fans are way overvaluing him based on that good season, just as they undervalued him based on those off seasons. To a guy like Rizzo, Russell and Baez would be significantly more attractive targets.

 

There's another factor here, too - if Castro regresses to 2013 levels (which is hardly impossible) he becomes one step up from a salary dump. If the Cubs don't move him, they are taking some risk considering the number of high upside prospects they have behind him.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I asked if Steamer was any good because of stuff like Zimmerman having a 2.9 WAR projection for next year coming off a 5.2, and not having a number that low in any of his 4 full seasons.

 

Am I missing something?

 

All of the projection systems are awful.

[Guest]

I asked if Steamer was any good because of stuff like Zimmerman having a 2.9 WAR projection for next year coming off a 5.2, and not having a number that low in any of his 4 full seasons.

 

Am I missing something?

 

On a per IP basis, that projection looks to be pretty similar to his 2012 and 2013, if a bit pessimistic. As to why it's only projecting 180 IP, I dunno, maybe his 2010 is still held against him.

[Guest]

Zimmerman is arguably one of 3-4 best SP in baseball, based on his last two seasons. Castro is an average defensive SS coming off a very good season (not a great one) after one awful and one mediocre one. Yes, Castro's contract is a good one - but Cub fans are way overvaluing him based on that good season, just as they undervalued him based on those off seasons. To a guy like Rizzo, Russell and Baez would be significantly more attractive targets.

 

There's another factor here, too - if Castro regresses to 2013 levels (which is hardly impossible) he becomes one step up from a salary dump. If the Cubs don't move him, they are taking some risk considering the number of high upside prospects they have behind him.

 

Castro was slightly better in 2014 than he was in 2010-2012, but has more or less been the same guy in all but the one down season. What on earth are you talking about?

 

Also, Zimmerman among the 3-4 best SP in baseball? WHAT?!

[chopsx9]

is there any chance he comes way cheaper than we expect because he's only got a year left?

 

alcantara, almora, vogelbach or something?

 

1.5 years of Samardzija, an inferior pitcher, got Addison Russell.

 

 

Oakland also didn't have the option of signing FA Pitcher - so it's a little bit apples and oranges.

 

If they are trading for Zimmerman they better be damn sure they can sign him to an extension - no need trade anything of real value for 1 year of anyone at this point.

[Guest]

Zimmerman is arguably one of 3-4 best SP in baseball, based on his last two seasons. Castro is an average defensive SS coming off a very good season (not a great one) after one awful and one mediocre one. Yes, Castro's contract is a good one - but Cub fans are way overvaluing him based on that good season, just as they undervalued him based on those off seasons. To a guy like Rizzo, Russell and Baez would be significantly more attractive targets.

 

There's another factor here, too - if Castro regresses to 2013 levels (which is hardly impossible) he becomes one step up from a salary dump. If the Cubs don't move him, they are taking some risk considering the number of high upside prospects they have behind him.

 

Zimmerman is not in the top 10 of SP the last 2 years, by fWAR or RA9-WAR (I don't know how to get that leaderboard for bWAR, but I doubt Zimmermann's 8.6 mark cracks the top 5). Castro has been a 3 win player every year except for 2013. Yes if Castro returns to 2013 form he'll be far less valuable, just like Zimmermann will be if his arm blows out, like it did at the start of his MLB career. Castro is under team control for 6 years at ~7-8 million per, Zimmermann has 1/16.5 left before free agency.

 

It's just a non-starter of an argument. Zimmermann is not close to Castro in value.

[Guest]

What is Washington's motivation here? I thought they were flush with cash.

[Agony and Ivy]

Zimmerman is arguably one of 3-4 best SP in baseball, based on his last two seasons. Castro is an average defensive SS coming off a very good season (not a great one) after one awful and one mediocre one. Yes, Castro's contract is a good one - but Cub fans are way overvaluing him based on that good season, just as they undervalued him based on those off seasons. To a guy like Rizzo, Russell and Baez would be significantly more attractive targets.

 

There's another factor here, too - if Castro regresses to 2013 levels (which is hardly impossible) he becomes one step up from a salary dump. If the Cubs don't move him, they are taking some risk considering the number of high upside prospects they have behind him.

 

Welp that's where you're wrong and it isn't arguable. He's not better than Kershaw, Hernandez, Price, Scherzer or Sale and that's without digging at all. He's probably more like top 12-20 starting pitcher. Zimmermann also has one year left before free agency and posted a season more than a win and a half better than his previous career high. So, if you're going to say he's more valuable than Castro going forward he better be a 5-6 win pitcher going forward because he's about to get very expensive. This shouldn't be that hard to grasp.

[Deeg]

is there any chance he comes way cheaper than we expect because he's only got a year left?

 

alcantara, almora, vogelbach or something?

 

1.5 years of Samardzija, an inferior pitcher, got Addison Russell.

 

 

Oakland also didn't have the option of signing FA Pitcher - so it's a little bit apples and oranges.

 

If they are trading for Zimmerman they better be damn sure they can sign him to an extension - no need trade anything of real value for 1 year of anyone at this point.

 

I don't think there's any way the Cubs trade for Zimmerman without an extension. And the chance to negotiate one without any competition is a significant portion of his trade value.

[MWV]

alcantara and castro for zimmerman and harper.

 

And with that, I have departed the realm of possibility...

[Guest]

What is Washington's motivation here? I thought they were flush with cash.

 

After next year, Zimmermann, Fister, and Desmond are all free agents(plus Span and Clippard), Harper is legit arbitration eligible for the first time, and they'll still be paying real money to other Zimmerman, Werth, and Gio. The year after Strasburg hits FA. They aren't the Marlins, but they're going to have to make some choices on who stays and who goes in order to stay competitive.

[Tryptamine]

alcantara and castro for zimmerman and harper.

 

And with that, I have departed the realm of possibility...

 

You could add Baez and more to that package and I'd still be cool with it.

[Guest]

David Kaplan ‏@thekapman 12m12 minutes ago

Cubs as @GDubCub reported are interested in Nats P Jordan Zimmerman. Has 1 yr left on his deal. Extension would be north of 100 million.

 

 

Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs · 17m 17 minutes ago

..prob not trading from prospect base, etc. Too many ifs. But of course things change when new conversations start, etc.

 

Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs · 17m 17 minutes ago

..negotiated an extension? In what, a day? Or since season ended? Its possible but not probable. And this just hours after Jed said..

 

Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs · 18m 18 minutes ago

No way Cubs are trading for a player in walk year without an extension in place which means they would be on the verge of a huge trade and..

 

Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs · 19m 19 minutes ago

For those asking, have not heard any chatter re Zimmerman/Cubs rumor. Lots of odd things about it starting with timing...

[gscool89]

RT @PWSullivan: Source says Cubs not getting Zimmermann from Nats and haven't exchanged names, as rumored.

[Deeg]

RT @PWSullivan: Source says Cubs not getting Zimmermann from Nats and haven't exchanged names, as rumored.

 

Gordo vs. Sullivan steel cage death match?

[Guest]

Patrick Mooney ‏@CSNMooney 18s18 seconds ago

Source says #Cubs are not working on a Jordan Zimmermann deal with #Nationals.