College Football - Week 12 (Nov. 15)

[OleMissCub]

Also oregon jumping the defending national champion FSU is a crime. The chairman said it's because oregon has 3 top 25 wins to FSUs 2.

 

What they did last year is irrelevant.

 

In practice the defending national champion is generally put in the poll possession in te rankings. They also started the year at no. 1 and were able to beat Clemson absent their best player. I can understand them slipping in favor of a different team if that team were both dominant and unbeaten. But oregon lost a home game so I don't get elevating them over FSU.

 

I'll admit, as much as I enjoy seeing misfortune befall FSU, it is a little weird that an undefeated from a power 5 is ranked beneath another power 5 with one loss this late in the year. The ACC is a complete joke though.

[SouthSideRyan]

I feel like teams who lose 59-0 should never be ranked.

[Ryne Ween]

Nor do I feel that gettig mercilously beaten down by UCLA at home should allow asu a ranking above Baylor, Ohio state, UCLA or the Two loss SEC west teams.

[SouthSideRyan]

Nor do I feel that gettig mercilously beaten down by UCLA at home should allow asu a ranking above Baylor, Ohio state, UCLA or the Two loss SEC west teams.

 

Ohio State lost to a bad Va Tech team

[Andy]

Nor do I feel that gettig mercilously beaten down by UCLA at home should allow asu a ranking above Baylor, Ohio state, UCLA or the Two loss SEC west teams.

 

Ohio State lost to a bad Va Tech team

And Baylor lost to unranked WVU.

[Ryne Ween]

Nor do I feel that gettig mercilously beaten down by UCLA at home should allow asu a ranking above Baylor, Ohio state, UCLA or the Two loss SEC west teams.

 

Ohio State lost to a bad Va Tech team

And Baylor lost to unranked WVU.

 

And TCU lost to a team who lost to an unranked WVU. What's the point? I'd rather lose a game that went down to a last possession at va tech then get absolutely steamrolled at home vs UCLA.

[Thed Hoyerstein]

Nor do I feel that gettig mercilously beaten down by UCLA at home should allow asu a ranking above Baylor, Ohio state, UCLA or the Two loss SEC west teams.

 

Ohio State lost to a bad Va Tech team

And Baylor lost to unranked WVU.

 

And TCU lost to a team who lost to an unranked WVU. What's the point? I'd rather lose a game that went down to a last possession at va tech then get absolutely steamrolled at home vs UCLA.

 

ohio state lost by two touchdowns at home to Va Tech

[Ryne Ween]

Nor do I feel that gettig mercilously beaten down by UCLA at home should allow asu a ranking above Baylor, Ohio state, UCLA or the Two loss SEC west teams.

 

Ohio State lost to a bad Va Tech team

And Baylor lost to unranked WVU.

 

And TCU lost to a team who lost to an unranked WVU. What's the point? I'd rather lose a game that went down to a last possession at va tech then get absolutely steamrolled at home vs UCLA.

 

ohio state lost by two touchdowns at home to Va Tech

 

My mistake on who hosted the game. Was a final minute pick 6 that made it a two score game. Was a close game. Not a beating.

[Guest]

Also oregon jumping the defending national champion FSU is a crime. The chairman said it's because oregon has 3 top 25 wins to FSUs 2.

 

What they did last year is irrelevant.

 

In practice the defending national champion is generally put in the poll possession in te rankings. They also started the year at no. 1 and were able to beat Clemson absent their best player. I can understand them slipping in favor of a different team if that team were both dominant and unbeaten. But oregon lost a home game so I don't get elevating them over FSU.

 

Kudos to the committee for not just ranking last year's champion #1 if they're not the best team.

[stuy119]

Also oregon jumping the defending national champion FSU is a crime. The chairman said it's because oregon has 3 top 25 wins to FSUs 2.

 

What they did last year is irrelevant.

 

It is, but the returning #1 champion has only been removed from their throne 4/5 times in the history of CFB when they haven't lost. We're being treated like a 2nd class citizen in the CFB world, based mostly off the fact that we're not as dominant as we were last year - one of the most dominant years in the history of CFB.

 

Which is an ironic way to compare us.

[Guest]

Hatin' Ass Spurrier: http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2014/11/12/7178227/hatin-ass-spurrier-has-seen-bob-stoops-naked

 

Doesn't want to pay his young workers, hates unions, does anything to avoid overtime - we sure Pat Fitzgerald ain't a Carnegie?

 

Thomas Jefferson would have sold his own children to get that win, UVA.

[Ryne Ween]

Also oregon jumping the defending national champion FSU is a crime. The chairman said it's because oregon has 3 top 25 wins to FSUs 2.

 

What they did last year is irrelevant.

 

In practice the defending national champion is generally put in the poll possession in te rankings. They also started the year at no. 1 and were able to beat Clemson absent their best player. I can understand them slipping in favor of a different team if that team were both dominant and unbeaten. But oregon lost a home game so I don't get elevating them over FSU.

 

Kudos to the committee for not just ranking last year's champion #1 if they're not the best team.

 

That's not how college football has ever worked. Does anybody think that Miss St is the best team in the country? Does the committee actually think that? Of course not. It's a resume based world in the FBS. Miss st is 10 point dogs on Saturday nobody actually thinks they are the best team.

 

And let's be honest. I truly believe FSU is being dropped due to universal disgust for Jameis Winston. It's pretty unprecedented to have your undefeated defending national champ falling in the rankings this late in the year in favor of one-loss teams.

[Old Style]

I feel like teams who lose 59-0 should never be ranked.

I may surprise you with this but I don't think A&M deserves to be ranked right now either. Beat Mizzou and LSU. Then we can talk. Our three losses were to Top 10 teams but we were not really competitive in any of those games.

[Guest]

FSU is being dropped due to a universal disgust for the ACC as a conference. Using Sagarin because it's quick:

 

Team    Rank  SOS  Top 10  Top 30
Bama      1     3   1-1     6-1
Baylor    4    55   2-0     2-1
TCU       5    23   1-1     3-1 
Miss St   7    45   2-0     4-0    
Oregon    8    22   0-0     4-0
Ohio St  11    54   0-0     1-0
FSU      14    51   0-0     2-0   

[mul21]

 

poll possession

 

I had a stripper joke all lined up but that's the wrong kind of pole. Somebody do better than I can.

[Guest]

Also oregon jumping the defending national champion FSU is a crime. The chairman said it's because oregon has 3 top 25 wins to FSUs 2.

 

What they did last year is irrelevant.

 

In practice the defending national champion is generally put in the poll possession in te rankings. They also started the year at no. 1 and were able to beat Clemson absent their best player. I can understand them slipping in favor of a different team if that team were both dominant and unbeaten. But oregon lost a home game so I don't get elevating them over FSU.

 

Kudos to the committee for not just ranking last year's champion #1 if they're not the best team.

 

That's not how college football has ever worked. Does anybody think that Miss St is the best team in the country? Does the committee actually think that? Of course not. It's a resume based world in the FBS. Miss st is 10 point dogs on Saturday nobody actually thinks they are the best team.

 

And let's be honest. I truly believe FSU is being dropped due to universal disgust for Jameis Winston. It's pretty unprecedented to have your undefeated defending national champ falling in the rankings this late in the year in favor of one-loss teams.

 

Who cares how they did it in the past if it was wrong? Good for the committee for acknowledging the ACC sucks and FSU's schedule isn't that impressive.

[OleMissCub]

FSU is being dropped due to a universal disgust for the ACC as a conference. Using Sagarin because it's quick:

 

Team    Rank  SOS  Top 10  Top 30
Bama      1     3   1-1     6-1
Baylor    4    55   2-0     2-1
TCU       5    23   1-1     3-1 
Miss St   7    45   2-0     4-0    
Oregon    8    22   0-0     4-0
Ohio St  11    54   0-0     1-0
FSU      14    51   0-0     2-0   

 

Precisely. The ACC is a complete joke. Freaking DUKE is 8-1. FSU would have 2 or 3 losses in the SEC West. Bama, Auburn, and Ole Miss are better teams this year than FSU. Maybe Miss St too.

 

Also, Ole Miss is #3 in Sagarin. They are seven measly points from being undefeated and would be favored the rest of the way. So aggravating. Those losses were so brutal the way they happened.

[Andy]

That's not how college football has ever worked. Does anybody think that Miss St is the best team in the country? Does the committee actually think that? Of course not. It's a resume based world in the FBS. Miss st is 10 point dogs on Saturday nobody actually thinks they are the best team.

I agree that it's a resume-based world, and it should be. That's why FSU got passed. They have 2 wins over good teams this year, both at home, and by popular opinion and by numbers they were outplayed in both and were lucky to escape. The rest of their opponents range from mediocre to terrible, and they've struggled with a couple of them too. It's not entirely their fault (Oklahoma St and Florida should be better than they are), but the committee has said intent won't matter when it comes to judging a schedule.

 

This is a good thing. Acknowledging tougher schedules and acknowledging how a team looked in a game will force better scheduling and will make CFB better.

[stuy119]

FSU is being dropped due to a universal disgust for the ACC as a conference. Using Sagarin because it's quick:

 

Team    Rank  SOS  Top 10  Top 30
Bama      1     3   1-1     6-1
Baylor    4    55   2-0     2-1
TCU       5    23   1-1     3-1 
Miss St   7    45   2-0     4-0    
Oregon    8    22   0-0     4-0
Ohio St  11    54   0-0     1-0
FSU      14    51   0-0     2-0   

 

In terms of FEI, a better comparison, the ACC is the #2 conference.

[stuy119]

FSU is being dropped due to a universal disgust for the ACC as a conference. Using Sagarin because it's quick:

 

Team    Rank  SOS  Top 10  Top 30
Bama      1     3   1-1     6-1
Baylor    4    55   2-0     2-1
TCU       5    23   1-1     3-1 
Miss St   7    45   2-0     4-0    
Oregon    8    22   0-0     4-0
Ohio St  11    54   0-0     1-0
FSU      14    51   0-0     2-0   

 

Precisely. The ACC is a complete joke. Freaking DUKE is 8-1. FSU would have 2 or 3 losses in the SEC West. Bama, Auburn, and Ole Miss are better teams this year than FSU. Maybe Miss St too.

 

Also, Ole Miss is #3 in Sagarin. They are seven measly points from being undefeated and would be favored the rest of the way. So aggravating. Those losses were so brutal the way they happened.

 

Other than the eye test, how do you know that about the SECw? Aside from Auburn barely beating Kansas State and LSU barely surviving Wisconsin early in the season, what do we have to compare to in terms off OOC play? We really can't.

 

Are you telling me that K-State is better than FSU? Are you telling me that Wisconsin would hang tough with Bama, just like LSU did?

[stuy119]

That's not how college football has ever worked. Does anybody think that Miss St is the best team in the country? Does the committee actually think that? Of course not. It's a resume based world in the FBS. Miss st is 10 point dogs on Saturday nobody actually thinks they are the best team.

I agree that it's a resume-based world, and it should be. That's why FSU got passed. They have 2 wins over good teams this year, both at home, and by popular opinion and by numbers they were outplayed in both and were lucky to escape. The rest of their opponents range from mediocre to terrible, and they've struggled with a couple of them too. It's not entirely their fault (Oklahoma St and Florida should be better than they are), but the committee has said intent won't matter when it comes to judging a schedule.

 

This is a good thing. Acknowledging tougher schedules and acknowledging how a team looked in a game will force better scheduling and will make CFB better.

 

Let's talk about the narrative. Last year, close wins were prized, no matter who you played - it showed you were "battle tested." This year, close wins mean that you're not good - especially when you're being judged against your previous years performance, when you set all sorts of NCAA records.

 

It's a bit ridiculous, and I'm unsure of where the hate is coming from. Maybe it's due to the Jameis situation, maybe it's something else.

 

Whatever. Just keep winning, and everyone can deal with it.

[Ryne Ween]

As far as the acc goes they only have one elite team I guess. Because I'm not gonna consider Clemson elite. But they do have Clemson, ga tech, miami, duke, Louisville which amount to a pretty good second tier. And you could consider ND a part of that conference based on the 6 game conference schedule.

 

You also have some dangerous clubs in there. BC beat USC. Va tech beat OSU.

 

As far as FSU goes. An OOC slate of Ok state, Florida and notre dame has got to be among the best in the FBS.

[Andy]

That's not how college football has ever worked. Does anybody think that Miss St is the best team in the country? Does the committee actually think that? Of course not. It's a resume based world in the FBS. Miss st is 10 point dogs on Saturday nobody actually thinks they are the best team.

I agree that it's a resume-based world, and it should be. That's why FSU got passed. They have 2 wins over good teams this year, both at home, and by popular opinion and by numbers they were outplayed in both and were lucky to escape. The rest of their opponents range from mediocre to terrible, and they've struggled with a couple of them too. It's not entirely their fault (Oklahoma St and Florida should be better than they are), but the committee has said intent won't matter when it comes to judging a schedule.

 

This is a good thing. Acknowledging tougher schedules and acknowledging how a team looked in a game will force better scheduling and will make CFB better.

 

Let's talk about the narrative. Last year, close wins were prized, no matter who you played - it showed you were "battle tested." This year, close wins mean that you're not good - especially when you're being judged against your previous years performance, when you set all sorts of NCAA records.

 

It's a bit ridiculous, and I'm unsure of where the hate is coming from. Maybe it's due to the Jameis situation, maybe it's something else.

 

Whatever. Just keep winning, and everyone can deal with it.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Speaking as a fan of the 2012 Notre Dame team, close wins have never been used to hold up a team as being 'battle tested'.

 

FSU's performance this season has been undeniably less than spectacular. I wouldn't have dropped them behind a one-loss team myself (and if I did, it would've been TCU, not Oregon, jumping them), but I can understand the rationale of the move. In the end, FSU still has to beat two great teams to win the championship, so it doesn't change much.

[Andy]

As far as FSU goes. An OOC slate of Ok state, Florida and notre dame has got to be among the best in the FBS.

It was supposed to be. But Oklahoma State is probably going to go 6-6 (already lost 4, still have Baylor and OU left) and Florida is at best inconsistent and is looking at 7-4 as a likely best-case scenario. While FSU's intentions were no doubt noble in scheduling good programs, the fact is that schedule isn't the bear it probably should have been and must be judged accordingly.

[Smack]

The official Wisconsin Twitter account is tweeting to @fauxpelini. Heh.