Offseason Rumors & Transactions Thread

[Guest]

I really hope we're not relying on Vogelbach for anything.

He's a very good 9th or 10th best positional prospect.

[RynoRules]

He's only 21. If he can become Billy Butler sometime before his 24th birthday we should be able to get Beane to take him.

[Sammy Sofa]

The Cubs had the best farm system then went on to have successful seasons in 2003, 2004 (mostly), 2006 and 2007. Some parts of that farm were turned into assets like Derek Lee. Secondary guys like Farnsworth became key contributors.

 

Yeah, it wasn't a total wash.

 

But I think we'd all be pretty disappointed if all we got out of all this hype was 3 playoff years, two of which were only tangentially connected to all these prospects.

 

I would be fine with this group only bringing 3 playoff runs so long as the farm system didn't come to all but a screeching halt (but not a complete one, so shut up) afterwards.

[Some Guy]

Yet more credit given to catcher framing, and thus more evidence why Castillo's value is so negligible - as was foretold.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=25564

[Shilzzz]

part of me hopes manfred finally puts a dh in both leagues

not only so a teams salary matches distribution fairly

but also so that vogelbach has a chance to play w the cubs

because he is a good hitter who will be worth a david ortiz / mo vaughn type spot

[Guest]

part of me hopes manfred finally puts a dh in both leagues

not only so a teams salary matches distribution fairly

but also so that vogelbach has a chance to play w the cubs

because he is a good hitter who will be worth a david ortiz / mo vaughn type spot

 

i kinda want it so we can put a good hitter there. and your last sentence is insane.

[XZero771679666304]

I think it's just a matter of time before the NL adopts the DH. The sooner the better, imo.

[Cubswin11]

Amaro said he has received 4 "real" offers for Hamels, I hope one is ours.

[Derwood]

Amaro said he has received 4 "real" offers for Hamels, I hope one is ours.

 

Rangers, Cards, Padres and Dodgers

[Post Count Padder]

Amaro said he has received 4 "real" offers for Hamels, I hope one is ours.

I wouldn't give up what Amaro is likely "requiring" for Hamels.

 

He does really want to unload Lee though because of money still owed and has been interested in Castillo and Travis Wood. Any kind of deal that could be made there?

[SouthSideRyan]

Are you asking if the Cubs could trade Travis Wood and Welington Castillo for Cliff Lee?

[Post Count Padder]

Are you asking if the Cubs could trade Travis Wood and Welington Castillo for Cliff Lee?

Not 2-for-1, no. That would be insane. But I was just thinking out loud if some kind of deal could be worked out with the Phillies.

[NonProfitCow]

Amaro said he has received 4 "real" offers for Hamels, I hope one is ours.

Don't know whether or not to believe that. If he had legit offers he'd have to take one, right? Although it is Amaro so

[Deeg]

No way Lee would any more than a straight salary dump at this point. He's certainly making more than he'd be paid on the open market.

[biittner77]

I really hope we're not relying on Vogelbach for anything.

 

unless Tom needs somebody to find rare truffles for the new fancy food options at the park

 

Can we go ahead and start calling Vogelbach Porkins as nature and Goerge Lucas intended?

[Some Guy]

http://grantland.com/features/brad-asumus-pitch-framing-dennis-eckersley/

 

As early as 2009, the Yankees analytics dept determined that "Jorge Posada could hit like Albert Pujols and Jose Molina could hit like Jose Molina, and Molina would still be better."

 

They didn't get full top-down buy-in, however, trading Molina after that season. But this article is just more evidence to the pile showing that by now all teams are aware that framing is a very huge deal. Thus, the "surprising" lack of market value of Castillo, and why it was such a priority to get Ross along with Montero.

[NonProfitCow]

http://grantland.com/features/brad-asumus-pitch-framing-dennis-eckersley/

 

As early as 2009, the Yankees analytics dept determined that "Jorge Posada could hit like Albert Pujols and Jose Molina could hit like Jose Molina, and Molina would still be better."

 

They didn't get full top-down buy-in, however, trading Molina after that season. But this article is just more evidence to the pile showing that by now all teams are aware that framing is a very huge deal. Thus, the "surprising" lack of market value of Castillo, and why it was such a priority to get Ross along with Montero.

LOL

[TruffleShuffle]

Why is anyone responding to Kyle lmao. just go google a picture of him and laugh and realize that every aspect of his life is forgettable and that's why he's here, to escape that reality

 

That's why they respond. It's like throwing a bum a quarter.

 

Just a regular bum. Not Da Bum. He doesn't need your quarters with all that sweet oil patch money.

 

Here, I'll save people some trouble googling. This is the one I use on dating sites:

 

(spoilered for size and general unaestheticness)

 

http://i.imgur.com/oA5Z7xF.jpg

 

There's something in your teeth there, dude.

 

my recommendation to kyle is to join tinder and just swipe right on everybody. when you look like that and are a sports journalist, probably best to just cast as wide a net as possible.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm on Tinder. I don't swipe right on everybody, but I get a few hits even out here in the cornfields. It's like drafting in the 20th round. You try to convince yourself there's some thin upside play, try to overlook the flaws, nothing comes from it and you try again in a year.

[ctcf]

Well this thread got surprisingly depressing in a hurry.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Well this thread got surprisingly depressing in a hurry.

 

I wish we were more serious about Hamels too. But, you know, Theo's grand experiment and all.

[Guest]

Well this thread got surprisingly depressing in a hurry.

 

I wish we were more serious about Hamels too. But, you know, Theo's grand experiment and all.

 

If, by more serious, you mean "discuss Bryant, Russell, or Soler," which is reportedly where the line has been drawn, then I definitely don't wish we were more serious about Hamels.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'd probably do Russell for Hamels.

[Guest]

I'd probably do Russell for Hamels.

 

lol

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'd probably do Russell for Hamels.

 

lol

 

You're getting Hamels for 4 or 5 years, Russell for 6.5. The years of control are almost identical, and Hamels is really good at baseball *right now*.