Offseason Rumors & Transactions Thread

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So how much is Trout worth now?

[Cubswin11]

So how much is Trout worth now?

15/450-500?

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Does Lester, Montero, Crawford and Hammel make this team a potential contender?

 

Montero looks real good now after Martin's contract. That's a pretty good team with those 4.

 

I have zero interest in spending money or prospects on a guy who has been as marginal as Montero over the last two years. I'd rather run Castillo out there and watch him likely outproduce Montero at a fraction of the cost.

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Seems like an incredibly inefficient way to spend 40M.

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Seems like an incredibly inefficient way to spend 40M.

 

How many people were trying to line up to pay Martin 15-17 million per season to be a 3-4 win catcher? Same thing here except you limit downside by having two guys contributing and acquiring someone younger than 32.

 

EDIT: Only 3 years instead of 4-5 too.

[nolanwood]

Does Lester, Montero, Crawford and Hammel make this team a potential contender?

 

Montero looks real good now after Martin's contract. That's a pretty good team with those 4.

 

I have zero interest in spending money or prospects on a guy who has been as marginal as Montero over the last two years.

 

I think those resources could be used more effectively.

[UK1679666180]

Does Lester, Montero, Crawford and Hammel make this team a potential contender?

 

Swap Hammel for Anderson and you have the likely best case scenario for the off-season.

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Seems like an incredibly inefficient way to spend 40M.

 

How many people were trying to line up to pay Martin 15-17 million per season to be a 3-4 win catcher? Same thing here except you limit downside by having two guys contributing and acquiring someone younger than 32.

 

EDIT: Only 3 years instead of 4-5 too.

 

If you're set on a platoon you could find other options that don't cost you 40M and could get you similar production.

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Does Lester, Montero, Crawford and Hammel make this team a potential contender?

 

Swap Hammel for Anderson and you have the likely best case scenario for the off-season.

 

I'd really hope that in a best case scenario the 2nd best pitcher is better than that. Brett Anderson hasn't pitched more than 112 innings since 2009.

 

I'm fine throwing him into the mix as our 5th guy but not as our 3rd best starter.

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With Martin out of the picture, I'd love to get both Lester and McCarthy.

[XZero771679666304]

Does Lester, Montero, Crawford and Hammel make this team a potential contender?

 

Swap Hammel for Anderson and you have the likely best case scenario for the off-season.

 

I'd really hope that in a best case scenario the 2nd best pitcher is better than that. Brett Anderson hasn't pitched more than 112 innings since 2009.

 

I'm fine throwing him into the mix as our 5th guy but not as our 3rd best starter.

 

McCarthy?

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Seems like an incredibly inefficient way to spend 40M.

 

How many people were trying to line up to pay Martin 15-17 million per season to be a 3-4 win catcher? Same thing here except you limit downside by having two guys contributing and acquiring someone younger than 32.

 

EDIT: Only 3 years instead of 4-5 too.

 

If you're set on a platoon you could find other options that don't cost you 40M and could get you similar production.

 

It's actually far more difficult than you might guess, left handed catchers that are decent receivers are not all over the place. There are a couple, but those guys either are lesser players or could carry significantly higher player costs than Montero(whose contract counts against his value, especially with Arizona potentially cash-strapped).

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With Martin out of the picture, I'd love to get both Lester and McCarthy.

 

Yeah, still have hopes for McCarthy or Liriano as the 2nd best starter we acquire.

[UK1679666180]

With Martin out of the picture, I'd love to get both Lester and McCarthy.

 

Would they have the cash to pay for Lester, Crawford (whatever LA doesn't eat), Montero, and McCarthy?

 

I'd rather see McCarthy over Anderson but can they pay the difference?

[KingCubsFan]

Does Lester, Montero, Crawford and Hammel make this team a potential contender?

 

Swap Hammel for Anderson and you have the likely best case scenario for the off-season.

Liriano

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It's actually far more difficult than you might guess, left handed catchers that are decent receivers are not all over the place. There are a couple, but those guys either are lesser players or could carry significantly higher player costs than Montero(whose contract counts against his value, especially with Arizona potentially cash-strapped).

So, using two years worth of splits vs RHP: Montero .728 OPS, Castillo .696. From an offensive perspective, you're either counting on an aging catcher returning to levels of production unseen for him in several years or a very marginal upgrade vs right handed pitchers for a platoon.

 

I understand the defensive difference and why that might drive the decision, but I don't understand why you keep painting Montero as a somewhat ideal platoon partner for Welington.

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It's actually far more difficult than you might guess, left handed catchers that are decent receivers are not all over the place. There are a couple, but those guys either are lesser players or could carry significantly higher player costs than Montero(whose contract counts against his value, especially with Arizona potentially cash-strapped).

So, using two years worth of splits vs RHP: Montero .728 OPS, Castillo .696. From an offensive perspective, you're either counting on an aging catcher returning to levels of production unseen for him in several years or a very marginal upgrade vs right handed pitchers for a platoon.

 

I understand the defensive difference and why that might drive the decision, but I don't understand why you keep painting Montero as a somewhat ideal platoon partner for Welington.

8th highest OBP during that time though, and a few of those guys aren't even catchers anymore.

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It's actually far more difficult than you might guess, left handed catchers that are decent receivers are not all over the place. There are a couple, but those guys either are lesser players or could carry significantly higher player costs than Montero(whose contract counts against his value, especially with Arizona potentially cash-strapped).

So, using two years worth of splits vs RHP: Montero .728 OPS, Castillo .696. From an offensive perspective, you're either counting on an aging catcher returning to levels of production unseen for him in several years or a very marginal upgrade vs right handed pitchers for a platoon.

 

I understand the defensive difference and why that might drive the decision, but I don't understand why you keep painting Montero as a somewhat ideal platoon partner for Welington.

 

I think it's just the defensive difference, the better catcher getting the stronger half of the platoon, while welington is a guy you can play against lefties, who montero is terrible against.

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has there been talk of montero being traded, or are people just assuming that he's on the block since the d-backs are lousy and montero doesn't have much value to a rebuilding team?

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It is worth noting that Montero had negative value pitch framing in 2013, btw.

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It's actually far more difficult than you might guess, left handed catchers that are decent receivers are not all over the place. There are a couple, but those guys either are lesser players or could carry significantly higher player costs than Montero(whose contract counts against his value, especially with Arizona potentially cash-strapped).

So, using two years worth of splits vs RHP: Montero .728 OPS, Castillo .696. From an offensive perspective, you're either counting on an aging catcher returning to levels of production unseen for him in several years or a very marginal upgrade vs right handed pitchers for a platoon.

 

I understand the defensive difference and why that might drive the decision, but I don't understand why you keep painting Montero as a somewhat ideal platoon partner for Welington.

 

- 30 points of OPS is at least a standard deviation in this run environment

- The last 2 years is a carefully chosen timeframe considering Montero has a career .797 OPS against RHP and Castillo hit .631 against them last year(giving him 1 up year and 1 down year)

- Part of the idea in having a time share at the position is that both players wear down less physically and their performance hopefully reflects that. This is especially relevant in the case of Montero, who has caught 133 games a year the last 4 years(this is a small part of why I like Markakis too, fwiw)

 

This on top of the marked defensive difference, which is better to have on Montero's side of a platoon/timeshare since he'll be starting more games.

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It's actually far more difficult than you might guess, left handed catchers that are decent receivers are not all over the place. There are a couple, but those guys either are lesser players or could carry significantly higher player costs than Montero(whose contract counts against his value, especially with Arizona potentially cash-strapped).

So, using two years worth of splits vs RHP: Montero .728 OPS, Castillo .696. From an offensive perspective, you're either counting on an aging catcher returning to levels of production unseen for him in several years or a very marginal upgrade vs right handed pitchers for a platoon.

 

I understand the defensive difference and why that might drive the decision, but I don't understand why you keep painting Montero as a somewhat ideal platoon partner for Welington.

 

- 30 points of OPS is at least a standard deviation in this run environment

- The last 2 years is a carefully chosen timeframe considering Montero has a career .797 OPS against RHP and Castillo hit .631 against them last year(giving him 1 up year and 1 down year)

- Part of the idea in having a time share at the position is that both players wear down less physically and their performance hopefully reflects that. This is especially relevant in the case of Montero, who has caught 133 games a year the last 4 years(this is a small part of why I like Markakis too, fwiw)

 

This on top of the marked defensive difference, which is better to have on Montero's side of a platoon/timeshare since he'll be starting more games.

I've mentioned this before, but the two year timeframe isn't random for Montero - it is post-back injury for a catcher.

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anyone have any guesses as to what grandal would cost btw?

 

i think he's my preferred target at this point

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anyone have any guesses as to what grandal would cost btw?

 

i think he's my preferred target at this point

 

I have no idea, but I'd love to see if they negatively value Maybin on top of Grandal. Early reports are that they want power hitters so not sure how much of a match is there.