Cubs Fire Renteria, Hire Maddon

[DiamondMind]

Glad we all agree Baez is a bust.

[Guest]

Glad we all agree Baez is a bust.

I don't agree.

[treebird]

Glad we all agree Baez is a bust.

I don't agree.

 

agreed, you have to give reasonable people hope in order to be a bust

[Little Slide Rooter]

Rosenthal notes that if MLB can prove the Cubs tampered, the Rays could demand a promising young player in compensation, maybe even a player as talented as Javier Baez or Addison Russell.

There is probably nothing to the tampering allegations, but statements like this are still scary as hell.

With as strategic as Thoyer are...I'm sure they considered the tampering situation and therefore made sure this could be ruled out.

 

Regarding giving up a top prospect - that's total [expletive], no way they'd be forced to do this. Maddon was making $2M with a chance to make $5M - clearly he's underpaid

 

They can demand anything they damn well want. If they're lucky, they'll get Jeff Antigua and Tony Zych.

[Banedon]

Gammons on the Maddon hire: http://www.gammonsdaily.com/peter-gammons-cubs-get-their-man-in-maddon/

 

Only negative was this part:

The Cubs may or may not go heavy into free agency this winter; most likely they’ll gauge their chances with Russell Martin,and wait for the pitching that will be hitting the market next November.

 

I feel like this is the worst part of Gammons. He's great at baseball storytelling, but not so good at predicting trades or free agent outcomes.

 

Also...

 

By 2016, Anthony Rizzo and Starling Castro will each be 26

[Guest]

It would be demonstrably stupid for the Cubs to not go after a front line starter.

[rawaction]

It would be demonstrably stupid for the Cubs to not go after a front line starter.

 

Yeah, you can't wait and see who's there next year. You know who's available now, have money and a pretty good shot to get at least Lester for no lost draft pick. Even if you don't have enough to compete this year you get as many pieces in place as you can for and BEFORE 2016.

[Vinestal]

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball/rays/rays-seek-right-ingredients-in-new-manager/2204717

TAMPA-ERING: Even if the Rays keep pushing on the tampering charge and get MLB to investigate, it would seem unlikely that any evidence would be uncovered to support their claim. And there is no precedent for any great damages if they did.

[Sammy Sofa]

TAMPA-ERING

 

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/Stare-GIF.gif

[Guest]

It would be demonstrably stupid for the Cubs to not go after a front line starter.

 

Yeah, you can't wait and see who's there next year. You know who's available now, have money and a pretty good shot to get at least Lester for no lost draft pick. Even if you don't have enough to compete this year you get as many pieces in place as you can for and BEFORE 2016.

 

They do have enough to be very good in 2015 with some added pitching which is a big reason why it would be so idiotic for them to pass on the available pitching.

[Fro]

It would be demonstrably stupid for the Cubs to not go after a front line starter.

 

Yeah, you can't wait and see who's there next year. You know who's available now, have money and a pretty good shot to get at least Lester for no lost draft pick. Even if you don't have enough to compete this year you get as many pieces in place as you can for and BEFORE 2016.

 

Agreed:

1) We have a lot of $$$ to spend that's going to go to waste otherwise

2) We have a protected 1st round draft pick

3) We can compete for the playoffs with a few of the right FA signings, and then it just depends on what team is hot at the right time.

 

Assuming the bidding doesn't go completely crazy it makes sense to spend now. We should have enough revenue coming online over the next few years to be able to continue to make upgrades to the team and basically do whatever needs to be done. You're wasting cheap years of Rizzo/Castro/Bryant/Soler, etc if you don't spend now.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Let them have Baez

but the article said a good player

 

I thought we could sneak him by as one

[Banedon]

TAMPA-ERING

 

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/Stare-GIF.gif

 

http://i.imgur.com/7F4118c.gif

[Him]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/al-east-notes-maddon-os-headley-bosox.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

Theo Epstein wouldn’t speak to Maddon until he had written proof of the opt-out and permission from the Commissioner’s office, and Nero considers it “a bit insulting” that the Rays would suspect tampering took place.

 

And that should end the tampering discussion.

[shnsajax]

If your concerned about your horribly underpaid manager from leaving or some team tampering, don't give him an opt out clause.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/al-east-notes-maddon-os-headley-bosox.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

Theo Epstein wouldn’t speak to Maddon until he had written proof of the opt-out and permission from the Commissioner’s office, and Nero considers it “a bit insulting” that the Rays would suspect tampering took place.

 

And that should end the tampering discussion.

 

Tampering won't get anywhere, but the people accused denying it won't end the discussion.

[Banedon]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/al-east-notes-maddon-os-headley-bosox.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

Theo Epstein wouldn’t speak to Maddon until he had written proof of the opt-out and permission from the Commissioner’s office, and Nero considers it “a bit insulting” that the Rays would suspect tampering took place.

 

And that should end the tampering discussion.

 

Tampering won't get anywhere, but the people accused denying it won't end the discussion.

Um...that's more than a simple denial. If they got permission from the commish's office, it will, then Tampa has no case.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/al-east-notes-maddon-os-headley-bosox.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

Theo Epstein wouldn’t speak to Maddon until he had written proof of the opt-out and permission from the Commissioner’s office, and Nero considers it “a bit insulting” that the Rays would suspect tampering took place.

 

And that should end the tampering discussion.

 

Tampering won't get anywhere, but the people accused denying it won't end the discussion.

Um...that's more than a simple denial. If they got permission from the commish's office, it will, then Tampa has no case.

 

What if Tampa alleges that there was contact before that official contact?

 

Right back where we started: they say/we say.

[Guest]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/al-east-notes-maddon-os-headley-bosox.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

Theo Epstein wouldn’t speak to Maddon until he had written proof of the opt-out and permission from the Commissioner’s office, and Nero considers it “a bit insulting” that the Rays would suspect tampering took place.

 

And that should end the tampering discussion.

 

Tampering won't get anywhere, but the people accused denying it won't end the discussion.

Um...that's more than a simple denial. If they got permission from the commish's office, it will, then Tampa has no case.

 

What if Tampa alleges that there was contact before that official contact?

 

Right back where we started: they say/we say.

 

you're a [expletive] idiot...please find a hobby outside of ruining cubs message boards.

[Clem Fandango]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/al-east-notes-maddon-os-headley-bosox.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

Theo Epstein wouldn’t speak to Maddon until he had written proof of the opt-out and permission from the Commissioner’s office, and Nero considers it “a bit insulting” that the Rays would suspect tampering took place.

 

And that should end the tampering discussion.

 

Tampering won't get anywhere, but the people accused denying it won't end the discussion.

Um...that's more than a simple denial. If they got permission from the commish's office, it will, then Tampa has no case.

 

What if Tampa alleges that there was contact before that official contact?

 

Right back where we started: they say/we say.

 

No we're not

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

you're a [expletive] idiot...please find a hobby outside of ruining cubs message boards.

hahahaha

[Hairyducked Idiot]

you're a [expletive] idiot...please find a hobby outside of ruining cubs message boards.

 

Guys they *say* they didn't do it! Tampa will totally drop it now.

[Guest]

 

you're a [expletive] idiot...please find a hobby outside of ruining cubs message boards.

 

Uh, he's not wrong.

 

Not that it matters.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

you're a [expletive] idiot...please find a hobby outside of ruining cubs message boards.

 

Uh, he's not wrong.

 

Not that it matters.

 

He's not wrong either.

[XZero771679666304]

Well, yeah, it's "we said/they said", but The Cubs FO put forth their version of events, Maddon's agent corroborated that account, and we've heard nothing from MLB that contradicts any of it.

 

All that's come from/about the other side is the suggestion that there's vague suspicion of tampering (unless I've missed something, TB hasn't leveled any detailed allegations).

 

That, combined with the account of the TB front office themselves bringing attention to the opt out clause, and Nero's statement about TB making only flimsy offers (what I infer from that is that the Rays weren't really all that hot to keep him around), it's hard to imagine anything at all will come of this.