Olney: Cubs absolute favorite to land Stanton if he's dealt

[RammyFanny]

can we trick the marlins into thinking almora isn't trash? someone good plus almora sounds like a good starting point for stanton to me.

 

Baez/Almora/Vizcaino get us close?

I'd think you'd probably need to swap Vizcaino for Edwards, but that would be the general blueprint. One of Castro, Baez, Russell; One of Almora/Alcantara; Edwards and fodder would be my guess.

[RynoRules]

24 years-old, 5th season, career line of .271 .365 .540 .905 (144 OPS+), in midst of a 6.2 WAR season...

 

I suspect the conversation (from Miami's point of view) begins with Baez, Soler, and at least two others from the lower-levels.

[Vinestal]

24 years-old, 5th season, career line of .271 .365 .540 .905 (144 OPS+), in midst of a 6.2 WAR season...

 

I suspect the conversation (from Miami's point of view) begins with Baez, Soler, and at least two others from the lower-levels.

No thanks

[sneakypower]

24 years-old, 5th season, career line of .271 .365 .540 .905 (144 OPS+), in midst of a 6.2 WAR season...

 

I suspect the conversation (from Miami's point of view) begins with Baez, Soler, and at least two others from the lower-levels.

if what they require is 2 top-10 overall position prospects then they'll enjoy 2 more seasons of him and then a compensation pick

[Guest]

24 years-old, 5th season, career line of .271 .365 .540 .905 (144 OPS+), in midst of a 6.2 WAR season...

 

I suspect the conversation (from Miami's point of view) begins with Baez, Soler, and at least two others from the lower-levels.

if what they require is 2 top-10 overall position prospects then they'll enjoy 2 more seasons of him and a compensation pick

 

yeah, especially when nobody else is going to give them something like that

 

minnesota could, but they won't.

[Clem Fandango]

24 years-old, 5th season, career line of .271 .365 .540 .905 (144 OPS+), in midst of a 6.2 WAR season...

 

I suspect the conversation (from Miami's point of view) begins with Baez, Soler, and at least two others from the lower-levels.

if what they require is 2 top-10 overall position prospects then they'll enjoy 2 more seasons of him and a compensation pick

 

yeah, especially when nobody else is going to give them something like that

 

minnesota could, but they won't.

 

That's the catch 22 of a Stanton trade for the Marlins. They SHOULD get a haul like that for someone like Stanton, but they only got one option available so they aren't in a position to really expect that they get what they want. Like I said before, they both have a certain amount of leverage, but I think the Cubs have more because the Marlins need what they have more than the Cubs need Stanton, and if the Marlins can't capitalize on Stanton at his peak value, then that will be a big failure for the organization. If we offer something like Baez, Almora, and CJ+ they should jump at the chance to get that because they probably won't get anything better.

[Guest]

24 years-old, 5th season, career line of .271 .365 .540 .905 (144 OPS+), in midst of a 6.2 WAR season...

 

I suspect the conversation (from Miami's point of view) begins with Baez, Soler, and at least two others from the lower-levels.

No thanks

 

and after Theo gets his gun and tells Jennings that he will [expletive] murder him if he says something like that again, Theo will say they can have Baez and Almora and maybe Edwards OR Johnson.

[Guest]

Theo: I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse

Jed:what, pop, er... I mean boss?

Theo: Either his brains or his signature will be on this trade.

[Castros trade value]

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[Soonernation]

Why would the Cubs want to trade any of the top prospects for Stanton when he will be a FA in 2 years unless someone else can break the bank and trade for him and then sign him to a long term deal? The best thing to do would be to give the kids a chance and see what happens; I honestly do not think we need him and sure do not want to give up Bryant, Soler, or Baez in any kind of deal. We have Soler for 9 years at 30 million and I think by 2016 that will be the biggest bargain in baseball.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why would the Cubs want to trade any of the top prospects for Stanton when he will be a FA in 2 years unless someone else can break the bank and trade for him and then sign him to a long term deal? The best thing to do would be to give the kids a chance and see what happens; I honestly do not think we need him and sure do not want to give up Bryant, Soler, or Baez in any kind of deal. We have Soler for 9 years at 30 million and I think by 2016 that will be the biggest bargain in baseball.

 

Because

 

A) He might very well not be available then

 

B) They are giving out a World Series in each of the next two years and Stanton might help us win it.

[Deeg]

Again, it really comes down to the question of how motivated the Marlins are to deal Stanton. The Cubs are the guy who goes camping with hit buddy wearing track shoes - they don't have to be faster than the bear, they just have to be faster than their buddy. They don't have to pay what Florida thinks Stanton is worth, or even what an objective assessment might say he's worth - they just have to make the best offer they think is reasonable and it'd probably still be the best one on the table. Then it's up to Miami to take it or leave it.

[Gmoney08]

Im ok with Addison being the centerpiece to the Stanton deal because that would allow Bryant to stay at 3B.

 

I think that could be unprecedented power to have an infield with Rizzo, Javy, and Bryant... then corner outfielders in Stanton & Soler. Just ridiculous.

[NOLA]

Im ok with Addison being the centerpiece to the Stanton deal because that would allow Bryant to stay at 3B.

 

I think that could be unprecedented power to have an infield with Rizzo, Javy, and Bryant... then corner outfielders in Stanton & Soler. Just ridiculous.

Who cares where they play? If Russell is a better piece than Castro, Baez or whoever then you keep him and let KB move to LF.

On that note, I remember early Theo speak when he spoke about developing of players with more versatility. It certainly gives them more options.

[Guest]

Im ok with Addison being the centerpiece to the Stanton deal because that would allow Bryant to stay at 3B.

 

I think that could be unprecedented power to have an infield with Rizzo, Javy, and Bryant... then corner outfielders in Stanton & Soler. Just ridiculous.

 

I do not desire this. I don't care what Baseball America says.

[Gmoney08]

Im ok with Addison being the centerpiece to the Stanton deal because that would allow Bryant to stay at 3B.

 

I think that could be unprecedented power to have an infield with Rizzo, Javy, and Bryant... then corner outfielders in Stanton & Soler. Just ridiculous.

 

I do not desire this. I don't care what Baseball America says.

 

I doubt Bryant is that terrible at 3b, I think to put an infield together with those bats is worth some subpar performance with the gloves.

[Gmoney08]

Im ok with Addison being the centerpiece to the Stanton deal because that would allow Bryant to stay at 3B.

 

I think that could be unprecedented power to have an infield with Rizzo, Javy, and Bryant... then corner outfielders in Stanton & Soler. Just ridiculous.

Who cares where they play? If Russell is a better piece than Castro, Baez or whoever then you keep him and let KB move to LF.

On that note, I remember early Theo speak when he spoke about developing of players with more versatility. It certainly gives them more options.

 

I want Stanton, Soler, and Bryant in the same lineup.. to do that you need Bryant at 3b.

[Guest]

this might be an overpay when you consider how big stanton's contract is going to be, but i would honestly give them baez and soler if that's what it took. i love our top 4 as much as anybody else, but there's still the (small) chance that none of the 4 live up to expectations. the injuries with stanton do give me pause (especially since he wouldn't be able to move to 1B without needing to trade rizzo), but his bat is a sure thing. we'd lock in a monster bat for his prime, and we'd still have our top 2 guys.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

It's crazy that we could conceivably give a package I think they'd accept like:

 

Baez/Russell, Almora, Valbuena, Edwards, lottery ticket

 

..and still end up with a 2016 lineup of:

 

1. CF Alcantara

2. SS Castro

3. 1B Rizzo

4. LF Stanton

5. 3B Bryant

6. RF Soler

7. 2B Russell/Baez

8. C Castillo/Schwarber

 

Me likey.

Edited August 31, 2014 by JennieGarthAlgar

[Gmoney08]

I think our system is way too good to have to use Baez & Soler in the same deal.

[imb]

Baez, Almora, Vogelbach, Edwards

 

wouldnt even think twice.

[Soonernation]

this might be an overpay when you consider how big stanton's contract is going to be, but i would honestly give them baez and soler if that's what it took. i love our top 4 as much as anybody else, but there's still the (small) chance that none of the 4 live up to expectations. the injuries with stanton do give me pause (especially since he wouldn't be able to move to 1B without needing to trade rizzo), but his bat is a sure thing. we'd lock in a monster bat for his prime, and we'd still have our top 2 guys.

No way in hell I would give up both of those guys in any trade

[Guest]

if we just look at the javy/jorge duo, wouldn't we all consider it a big success if one completely flames out and the other becomes as good as stanton? i'd take that immediately. obviously it's not that simple since the financial difference between the 2 packages greatly affects the value, but i'd still risk losing the 2 potentially cheap stars to lock in an mvp type player for the better part of the next decade.

 

i'm not saying i'd expect it to cost both of those guys, just that i would ultimately do it if that was the difference between stanton going to us or somebody else. i just wouldn't be able to pass on that proven bat.

[Cubswin11]

This will be a fun thread to revisit, for better or worse, in a couple years

[RynoRules]

Baez, Almora, Vogelbach, Edwards

 

wouldnt even think twice.

 

Yeah, if that's the deal you say "accepted" before Miami says "withdrawn". That would be theft.