8/27 Cubs (Turner) @ Reds (Latos) 6:10 pm CT CSN

[Hairyducked Idiot]

oooof, he almost got that

[Brian]

it started to move : (

[Sammy Sofa]

Hahahaah! Chapman slapping Baez' ass as he heads off the field.

[gscool89]

How did that not carry

[Guest]

Pat thought it was out

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That loss does not bother me. That was not a bad loss.

 

Other than a small fear that maybe Turner has Edwin Jackson Disease.

[Guest]

Darn

[Sammy Sofa]

Does Hollandsworth talk more about Soler or Castro?

[Guest]

i'm almost glad that didnt happen because i'm not sure i would've survived

[Aaron_Kennelly]

And I know looking at one season's UZR data is stupid and pointless. But, I was just trying to emphasize that our sure-handed first baseman who is supossed to be great defensively has made some stupid plays defensively because of laziness or not having his head in the game or whatever. And he doesn't get any [expletive] for it. He could be much better than he is defensively. But, I am not going to argue how good I think he is defensively any more, because it's pointless. I agree he is pretty good defensively.

[Castros trade value]

Part of our future tonight:

 

4-13, 1 HR, 1 2B and 4 RBI.

[Guest]

That loss does not bother me. That was not a bad loss.

 

Other than a small fear that maybe Turner has Edwin Jackson Disease.

 

Scored 5 runs without Rizzo?

 

Obviously we're going to average around 6 from here on out

[itisallpartoftheplan]

That was almost the greatest moment of all time... :( yes frown face.

[Agony and Ivy]

Castro has earned the rep man. Earned it. That's why it's a story. And I love the guy.

 

That doesn't make it not racist.

 

The narrative can be racist on some level locally because I believe if it had been Rizzo you wouldn't read about it tomorrow but JD would've still gotten on him. However, Castro has had too many instances where his mental lapses have cost his team and lost games. And guess what? That's not because he is brown, that's because he doesn't keep his head in the game at all times. Other players have issues with that too, but it doesn't seem to show up in situations that directly cost teams ballgames. He has earned the reputation and it's easy to keep it when it happens on a regular basis. I still think he's a stud and I love his game, but those little plays right there need to go away and that has nothing to do with skin color.

 

How many games has it cost them again?

 

And why don't Rizzo's defensive and baserunning lapses count as much? (And yes, I know you pointed out that he wouldn't get the same crap)

 

It's sadly a narrative that will dog Castro for the rest of his career. Even if he never did something like staring at his hit tonight again he'd still get too much [expletive] thrown at him for minor mistakes every player makes. That's where the imbalance comes in.

 

That's what makes the narrative racist or at least racially motivated on a local level. Bobby Valentine didn't jump on Starlin because he's brown during that ESPN game he jumped on him because he had his back to the pitcher. Since that one night its become a thing during every Cubs game ever, and he probably will never get away from it, until he does something on a national stage again, like carry a team in the playoffs.

 

Let me correct myself, saying he has cost the team whole ballgames isn't fair, but he has absolutely cost his teams runs with his lapses and one would be that stupid ass Cardinals game on Fox last year. Of course, that and what happened tonight doesn't make it a pattern, and I have watched just about every inning of every Cubs game since he came up to the big leagues and you know as well as I do that he does have lapses mentally even if I can't point to more than a handful of specific instances. And yes other players make mental errors but again he has the rep because he has made his mistakes at poor times and it will take something major to change the minds of most Cubs fans. And the incident tonight is inexcusable, I don't care who you are, but if you're a light hitting shortstop you don't sit there and admire balls you hit to center field.

 

I might be wrong but I believe one of my first few posts on this board was criticizing Rizzo for not covering first on a dropped third strike which is about as basic as it gets for a first baseman and how it wouldn't be an issue the next day and I am pretty sure it cost the team 2 runs. So, I would say I am consistent.

[davell]

That loss does not bother me. That was not a bad loss.

 

Other than a small fear that maybe Turner has Edwin Jackson Disease.

 

I'm not caring what kind of results Turner has this year at all. They're not going to change much with him before the offseason anyway.

[Guest]

do 1B fielding metrics take into account throwing errors saved by first basemen (for lack of a better way to put it)?

[Agony and Ivy]

That loss does not bother me. That was not a bad loss.

 

Other than a small fear that maybe Turner has Edwin Jackson Disease.

 

He doesn't. Jaxon has nothing but flat movement on all of his pitches. I was encouraged by Turner, but even if he does, who cares? He cost nothing.

[d_money]

That loss does not bother me. That was not a bad loss.

 

Other than a small fear that maybe Turner has Edwin Jackson Disease.

Turner is 23 vs EJax 30...I'm a little more patient with JT

[bukie]

Yep, Kaplan is flipping his lid about Castro.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Starlin Castro is a light-hitting shortstop?

[treebird]

kaplan is such a piece of [expletive]

[bukie]

Not a chance a seeing eye grounder to left scores Castro from 2nd with 1 out anyway.

[Agony and Ivy]

Starlin Castro is a light-hitting shortstop?

 

He's not a power hitter. I wasn't comparing him to other shortstops, because he's a terrific offensive shortstop, so maybe that was bad phrasing? Either way you don't stand there and admire a ball to the deepest part of the field when you're a 15 homer guy. It has nothing to do with earning it or anything like that, you just have to know you're not a 420 foot homer guy so there is no way that's a no doubter.

[Sammy Sofa]

That's what makes the narrative racist or at least racially motivated on a local level. Bobby Valentine didn't jump on Starlin because he's brown during that ESPN game he jumped on him because he had his back to the pitcher. Since that one night its become a thing during every Cubs game ever, and he probably will never get away from it, until he does something on a national stage again, like carry a team in the playoffs.

 

Like people are saying, it's not that he doesn't make mistakes, but it's that the few times he makes genuine big mistakes, like the incident above, ends up blowing up EVERY mistake or maybe-mistake being a big deal regardless of how common or harmless it is.

 

Take Kaplan and Hollandsworth right now; I'm pissed that Starlin watched his hit, but that happens. It's not unique to him, a ton of players do it and it's not going to go away. Benching him isn't going to stop it, yet these two are ranting like it's some kind of crippling issue that's going to infect the other players and "someone needs to act." It's an absurd overreaction to something frustrating but ultimately not a serious issue. He shouldn't have to do something Herculean like carrying the Cubs to the playoffs or beyond to simply be evaluated like most other players are.

Edited August 28, 2014 by Sammy Sofa

[Agony and Ivy]

Not a chance a seeing eye grounder to left scores Castro from 2nd with 1 out anyway.

 

Ya I don't think he gets sent there either...