2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

[toonsterwu]

How much better of a prospect was Zunino than Schwarber?

 

Well, offensively, Schwarber is probably a better prospect than Zunino coming out of Florida. That said, Zunino's ability to stay behind the plate probably makes him a better overall prospect than Schwarber.

 

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On the whole idea of Schwarber as trade bait - I keep pondering, if Schwarber can't hack it in LF (and I still think the Cubs probably let him get some time at catcher, at least this year), but his bat plays and forces a move to 1st, that maybe it leads to a Rizzo deal for pitching. That said, none of this really matters yet - let's make sure Schwarber's bat is as good as advertised before we contemplate all sorts of permutations for the future. I doubt Schwarber will move up the ladder that fast this year (thinking an early sign maybe leads to Boise/Kane County and then AFL?).

[Felix Leiter]

only three players 6 feet or shorter and 240 pounds or more have ever played the outfield in the majors (Marlon Byrd, Dayan Viciedo and Byron Gettis), so the historical comps point to Schwarber moving to first base unless he can drop some weight. (The list isn't much better if you drop the weight bar to 230, adding four players, one of whom was nicknamed "Fats.")

I doubt there is anything close to accurate data supporting this claim.

 

I agree. Look at John Kruk. Some list his weight @ 205 lbs. 170 lbs. on Baseball Reference When was that..when he was in HS? I think he passes the eye test of being 240+, under 6 feet and he played the OF.

[sneakypower]

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[Guest]

I thought Cease already had TJS?

 

No, he took some platelet treatment to avoid TJS, partly so he could throw one last time before the draft. No guarantee it helped avoid TJS.

[cubfan]

wasn't referring to him specifically. just the general idea of the "vogelbach fallacy" as someone else put it.

ah.

 

to answer your question, I can't think of any good examples of a DH-only prospect getting much of a return in trade. On the other hand, first base prospects have been traded for very good returns when the bat is big enough.

 

I might be way off, but didn't the Cards have a "1B" prospect several years back that was pretty much viewed as a DH? They traded him as part of a package for an OK return I thought. Ben W something maybe? Either way he was a big bat no position guy that never ended up making it.

 

 

Edit. The guys I was thinking of was Brett Wallace. Not sure if he fits the criteria or not.

Edited June 6, 2014 by cubfan

[jersey cubs fan]

wasn't referring to him specifically. just the general idea of the "vogelbach fallacy" as someone else put it.

ah.

 

to answer your question, I can't think of any good examples of a DH-only prospect getting much of a return in trade. On the other hand, first base prospects have been traded for very good returns when the bat is big enough.

 

I might be way off, but didn't the Cards have a "1B" prospect several years back that was pretty much viewed as a DH? They traded him as part of a package for an OK return I thought. Ben W something maybe? Either way he was a big bat no position guy that never ended up making it.

 

Brett Wallace

 

 

 

from wiki:

On July 24, 2009, Wallace was traded to the Oakland Athletics as part of a package for outfielder Matt Holliday.[3]

 

On December 15, 2009, Wallace was dealt to the Toronto Blue Jays for Michael Taylor, who had just been obtained by the Blue Jays from the Philadelphia Phillies as a part of a trade for Roy Halladay.[4]

 

On July 29, 2010, he was traded again, this time to the Houston Astros, in exchange for minor league outfielder Anthony Gose, who had just been obtained by the Astros from the Philadelphia Phillies as a part of a trade for Roy Oswalt.[5] Wallace was sent to the AAA affiliate, the Round Rock Express,[6] for one day and did not appear in a game before being called up by the Astros on July 31, 2010 after Lance Berkman was traded to the New York Yankees.[7]

[cubfan]

wasn't referring to him specifically. just the general idea of the "vogelbach fallacy" as someone else put it.

ah.

 

to answer your question, I can't think of any good examples of a DH-only prospect getting much of a return in trade. On the other hand, first base prospects have been traded for very good returns when the bat is big enough.

 

I might be way off, but didn't the Cards have a "1B" prospect several years back that was pretty much viewed as a DH? They traded him as part of a package for an OK return I thought. Ben W something maybe? Either way he was a big bat no position guy that never ended up making it.

 

Brett Wallace

 

Thanks, was editing my post to add his name when you posted. Not sure if he fits the criteria or not but was the closest I could think of

[Post Count Padder]

At first glace I like both picks, especially if Schwarber can stick behind the plate, even for a few seasons. Both players have good scouting reports and could get through the minors quickly. And we saved money for a few interesting picked in the later rounds. As others said, it also depends on what they do with those savings. Can't judge too much now.

[jersey cubs fan]

1-minute between picks now, and the Cubs are up momentarily.

[jersey cubs fan]

Cubs are up and.....

 

 

Zagunis Mark, catcher from Virginia Tech

 

a south jersey native, Cinnaminson NJ. Hope that works out better than Szczur.

Edited June 6, 2014 by jersey cubs fan

[Guest]

Catcher with a questionable bat?

[Guest]

I have to say...I'm really confused now what the strategy is here.

[davell]

Sigh. This [expletive] sucks.

[jersey cubs fan]

I have to say...I'm really confused now what the strategy is here.

 

Sign all the free agent pitchers?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

One major league scout, who asked to remain anonymous, said he expects Zagunis to be chosen in the top seven rounds of next month’s 40-round major league amateur draft.

The scout said Zagunis reminds him of former major league catcher Jason Kendall because of Zagunis’ speed and hitting ability.

[jersey cubs fan]

on the plus side, when you google Mark Zagunis the second auto fill is Mark Zagunis Steroids

[imb]

Sigh. This [expletive] sucks.

lmao

[Guest]

One major league scout, who asked to remain anonymous, said he expects Zagunis to be chosen in the top seven rounds of next month’s 40-round major league amateur draft.

The scout said Zagunis reminds him of former major league catcher Jason Kendall because of Zagunis’ speed and hitting ability.

Pretty much every fast, athletic catcher gets compared to Kendall.

[jersey cubs fan]

Mark Zagunis entered his junior season at Virginia Tech as the best returning player for the Hokies after a strong 2013 season that saw a very talented senior class graduate. Mark Zagunis received plenty of preseason honors as he was a Preseason Second Team All-American by both Louisville Slugger and the National College Baseball Writers Association. Mark Zagunis was put on the Johnny Bench Award Watch list and was seen as a favorite to win the award as the best catcher in college baseball.

 

Mark Zagunis got off to a solid but not great start as Zagunis had some struggles in some early-season games. Of course, some of this may have been due to pressure from all the preseason honors that Zagunis had received. Zagunis also had to be feeling some pressure from how he was expected to carry the Hokies this season if they were to have success.

 

However, Mark Zagunis has really started to play like the star hitting catcher that many people expected him to be. Zagunis now has a batting average of .333 with 1 home run and 29 RBIs which are all very solid numbers. Zagunis has shown a lot of plate discipline with only 16 strikeouts and a .435 on-base percentage.

 

Mark Zagunis has not only been getting the job done with his bat but also on the basepaths as Zagunis has stolen 11 bases in 13 attempts. Mark Zagunis has only committed 6 errors and has a fielding percentage of .970 and while those numbers aren’t anything spectacular, they do prove how well-rounded of a catcher and outfielder he is.

 

There is one big question out there and that is about Mark Zagunis and whether he would declare for the MLB Draft or stay for his senior season. Zagunis will have a lot of things to consider but the only way it seems like Zagunis would declare is if he would be selected in the first two rounds. However, that seems unlikely for now so I would expect Zagunis to stick around for his senior season.

[jersey cubs fan]

.338/.430/.495 career line, 85 BB/74 K, 16 career HR in 630 AB.

[Guest]

Mark Zagunis entered his junior season at Virginia Tech as the best returning player for the Hokies after a strong 2013 season that saw a very talented senior class graduate. Mark Zagunis received plenty of preseason honors as he was a Preseason Second Team All-American by both Louisville Slugger and the National College Baseball Writers Association. Mark Zagunis was put on the Johnny Bench Award Watch list and was seen as a favorite to win the award as the best catcher in college baseball.

 

Mark Zagunis got off to a solid but not great start as Zagunis had some struggles in some early-season games. Of course, some of this may have been due to pressure from all the preseason honors that Zagunis had received. Zagunis also had to be feeling some pressure from how he was expected to carry the Hokies this season if they were to have success.

 

However, Mark Zagunis has really started to play like the star hitting catcher that many people expected him to be. Zagunis now has a batting average of .333 with 1 home run and 29 RBIs which are all very solid numbers. Zagunis has shown a lot of plate discipline with only 16 strikeouts and a .435 on-base percentage.

 

Mark Zagunis has not only been getting the job done with his bat but also on the basepaths as Zagunis has stolen 11 bases in 13 attempts. Mark Zagunis has only committed 6 errors and has a fielding percentage of .970 and while those numbers aren’t anything spectacular, they do prove how well-rounded of a catcher and outfielder he is.

 

There is one big question out there and that is about Mark Zagunis and whether he would declare for the MLB Draft or stay for his senior season. Zagunis will have a lot of things to consider but the only way it seems like Zagunis would declare is if he would be selected in the first two rounds. However, that seems unlikely for now so I would expect Zagunis to stick around for his senior season.

If Mark Zagunis wrote that piece about Mark Zagunis, Rickey Henderson would approve.

[Guest]

I wonder if they start Schwarber and Zagunis at different levels of if they just stick Schwarber in the OF.

[jersey cubs fan]

Mark Zagunis entered his junior season at Virginia Tech as the best returning player for the Hokies after a strong 2013 season that saw a very talented senior class graduate. Mark Zagunis received plenty of preseason honors as he was a Preseason Second Team All-American by both Louisville Slugger and the National College Baseball Writers Association. Mark Zagunis was put on the Johnny Bench Award Watch list and was seen as a favorite to win the award as the best catcher in college baseball.

 

Mark Zagunis got off to a solid but not great start as Zagunis had some struggles in some early-season games. Of course, some of this may have been due to pressure from all the preseason honors that Zagunis had received. Zagunis also had to be feeling some pressure from how he was expected to carry the Hokies this season if they were to have success.

 

However, Mark Zagunis has really started to play like the star hitting catcher that many people expected him to be. Zagunis now has a batting average of .333 with 1 home run and 29 RBIs which are all very solid numbers. Zagunis has shown a lot of plate discipline with only 16 strikeouts and a .435 on-base percentage.

 

Mark Zagunis has not only been getting the job done with his bat but also on the basepaths as Zagunis has stolen 11 bases in 13 attempts. Mark Zagunis has only committed 6 errors and has a fielding percentage of .970 and while those numbers aren’t anything spectacular, they do prove how well-rounded of a catcher and outfielder he is.

 

There is one big question out there and that is about Mark Zagunis and whether he would declare for the MLB Draft or stay for his senior season. Zagunis will have a lot of things to consider but the only way it seems like Zagunis would declare is if he would be selected in the first two rounds. However, that seems unlikely for now so I would expect Zagunis to stick around for his senior season.

If Mark Zagunis wrote that piece about Mark Zagunis, Rickey Henderson would approve.

Jimmy understands.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120911163958/seinfeld/images/d/df/The_jimmy.png

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Mark Zagunis entered his junior season at Virginia Tech as the best returning player for the Hokies after a strong 2013 season that saw a very talented senior class graduate. Mark Zagunis received plenty of preseason honors as he was a Preseason Second Team All-American by both Louisville Slugger and the National College Baseball Writers Association. Mark Zagunis was put on the Johnny Bench Award Watch list and was seen as a favorite to win the award as the best catcher in college baseball.

 

Mark Zagunis got off to a solid but not great start as Zagunis had some struggles in some early-season games. Of course, some of this may have been due to pressure from all the preseason honors that Zagunis had received. Zagunis also had to be feeling some pressure from how he was expected to carry the Hokies this season if they were to have success.

 

However, Mark Zagunis has really started to play like the star hitting catcher that many people expected him to be. Zagunis now has a batting average of .333 with 1 home run and 29 RBIs which are all very solid numbers. Zagunis has shown a lot of plate discipline with only 16 strikeouts and a .435 on-base percentage.

 

Mark Zagunis has not only been getting the job done with his bat but also on the basepaths as Zagunis has stolen 11 bases in 13 attempts. Mark Zagunis has only committed 6 errors and has a fielding percentage of .970 and while those numbers aren’t anything spectacular, they do prove how well-rounded of a catcher and outfielder he is.

 

There is one big question out there and that is about Mark Zagunis and whether he would declare for the MLB Draft or stay for his senior season. Zagunis will have a lot of things to consider but the only way it seems like Zagunis would declare is if he would be selected in the first two rounds. However, that seems unlikely for now so I would expect Zagunis to stick around for his senior season.

 

Was this written by Perd Hapley?

[jersey cubs fan]

Was this written by Perd Hapley?

 

It was written by noted conservative goaltender, Tim Thomas, in something called the Fighting Gobbler.

Edited June 6, 2014 by jersey cubs fan