Samardzija trade rumors

[davell]

I don't care if they go worst-to-first if it takes them four or five years to do it. Congratu-freaking-lations, you're 1-for-5.

 

In other words, no matter what, even if the Cubs make the playoffs every year after this year, Kyle is going to keep his act up until *at least* 2018.

 

That's the utter brilliance of it all.

[SouthSideRyan]

I've had a ridiculous amount of luck with seeing goals scored (especially game winning OT goals) within a couple of minutes of flipping to the Hawks game to see what was happening.

 

If all hockey were like that, I would definitely watch more.

 

You're all alone now Mojo

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't care if they go worst-to-first if it takes them four or five years to do it. Congratu-freaking-lations, you're 1-for-5.

 

In other words, no matter what, even if the Cubs make the playoffs every year after this year, Kyle is going to keep his act up until *at least* 2018.

 

That's the utter brilliance of it all.

 

Yeah. It's so weird that failures get counted along with the successes, even if the failures come first.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The fact that you just went 1-for-5 makes me seriously doubt your ability to go 4-for-5, especially when you could only manage a 67% rate in Boston while inheriting an awesome start.

 

At this point, I'm expecting a total of 3 playoff appearances in Epstein's decade with the Cubs.

us making the playoffs within those first two seasons was a near-impossibility, and to pretend otherwise proves you're not even attempting to be remotely objective about things

 

Incorrect

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't care if they go worst-to-first if it takes them four or five years to do it. Congratu-freaking-lations, you're 1-for-5.

 

In other words, no matter what, even if the Cubs make the playoffs every year after this year, Kyle is going to keep his act up until *at least* 2018.

 

That's the utter brilliance of it all.

 

You're the one who said it's a failure if they only go 3 times, which would leave you in doubt on the Epstein regime until... after the 2019 season

 

ETA: Or after the 2018 season if they still haven't made it in which case I quit everything.

[Guest]

What can we expect to be the return for Shark if he keeps up this level of performance? I'd like to get a major league ready SP who is ranked pretty high (and not hurt, lol) and a couple of high ceiling (hate that term) outfielders or one young major league outfielder who is highly regarded. My dream would be straight up Giancarlo Stanton for Shark. I'd throw in Vizciano or Pierce Johnson or Maples if I had to.

[SouthSideRyan]

My dream would be Mike Trout straight up for Shark, and I'd throw in Dunston and Amaya if need be.

 

ETA: The problem in looking for a ML ready arm in return for Samardzija, is that if a playoff contending team had a ML ready arm, he'd probably be in their rotation already.

[Backtobanks]

Thank you. That at least gives a baseline. I'm not one that still blames Hendry. I definitely think we're in all around better shape now than we were then. Fire Hendry immediately? They handcuffed him instead. I see both sides of that.

 

How attractive would the job have been, if you tell the perspective candidates you're not able to do much immediately? Who was potentially available at that time? Did you foresee better options being available at a later date?

 

Was he so bad that none of those questions matter? Possibly.

 

This FO will have had ample time to move past what they inherited.

 

I feel rather certain in saying you're a results based guy. I am as well. But I obviously have a longer string than you do, on judging things. Not sure what else to say here.

 

If this group (Theo and Jed, McLeod will get a GM job at some point) sticks around here for a decade(I suspect they will).....What do you consider success? How many playoff appearances? Does it not matter that they did inherit a much less than ideal situation?

 

For me success should be defined as a World Series appearance (or appearances). I totally understand the "playoffs are a crapshoot" mentality, but we were promised something more than sneaking in the back door of a watered-down playoff situation. Hell, you can sneak into the playoffs with a team barely over .500. I might make an exception for a 5-6 year run of 87+ wins without the WS appearance. As for what they inherited, I think the time is getting close to expiring as using that as an excuse.

 

Personally, here's my realistic judgment-5 playoff appearances and for the org to be considered in "good shape" after the decade has passed. Fair or not?

[davell]

I don't care if they go worst-to-first if it takes them four or five years to do it. Congratu-freaking-lations, you're 1-for-5.

 

In other words, no matter what, even if the Cubs make the playoffs every year after this year, Kyle is going to keep his act up until *at least* 2018.

 

That's the utter brilliance of it all.

 

You're the one who said it's a failure if they only go 3 times, which would leave you in doubt on the Epstein regime until... after the 2019 season

 

ETA: Or after the 2018 season if they still haven't made it in which case I quit everything.

 

I don't think anyone can honestly be sold that this will work completely. Or at least they shouldn't be able to be.

 

My worst case scenario, is not enough of these guys pan out and we hold on to them long enough they lose quite a bit of value. Come 2019, after receiving a less than market value TV deal, the new regime(Theo and Co leave prior due to monetary frustration) spends in a Hendryesque way for an offseason or two and it doesn't pan out. Setting us back again, to where it may be 2024 before we realistically have money to spend. And Ricketts is still the owner.

 

Heroin anyone?

[davell]

What can we expect to be the return for Shark if he keeps up this level of performance? I'd like to get a major league ready SP who is ranked pretty high (and not hurt, lol) and a couple of high ceiling (hate that term) outfielders or one young major league outfielder who is highly regarded. My dream would be straight up Giancarlo Stanton for Shark. I'd throw in Vizciano or Pierce Johnson or Maples if I had to.

 

Arguello is talking about Butler and Dahl from Colorado as a legit option. I'm not in favor of that. It'd take Gray and Butler or Dahl for me. Or Tapia. But Gray as the headline piece seems like our best option, in my mind. Of teams that need SP.

[Guest]

My dream would be Mike Trout straight up for Shark, and I'd throw in Dunston and Amaya if need be.

 

ETA: The problem in looking for a ML ready arm in return for Samardzija, is that if a playoff contending team had a ML ready arm, he'd probably be in their rotation already.

 

My momentary dream is that Baltimore's rotation reflects their true preferences and they'd lose their mind and send us Gausman and Bundy for Shark if they can stay in contention for a while longer.

[SouthSideRyan]

I can't see why Colorado would trade Gray for pitching help rather than play Gray for pitching help

[imb]

I can't see why Colorado would trade Gray for pitching help rather than play Gray for pitching help

 

Well, he's kind of sucked this year. But yeah, they aren't giving up 6 years of Gray or w/e for a year or so of Samardzija.

[SouthSideRyan]

I can't see why Colorado would trade Gray for pitching help rather than play Gray for pitching help

 

Well, he's kind of sucked this year. But yeah, they aren't giving up 6 years of Gray or w/e for a year or so of Samardzija.

 

Eh?? 3.22 ERA with 34 Ks, 5 BBs, 3 HRs in 36.1 IP?

[imb]

I can't see why Colorado would trade Gray for pitching help rather than play Gray for pitching help

 

Well, he's kind of sucked this year. But yeah, they aren't giving up 6 years of Gray or w/e for a year or so of Samardzija.

 

Eh?? 3.22 ERA with 34 Ks, 5 BBs, 3 HRs in 36.1 IP?

 

Hmm, way better than I thought. He had a blowup outing early and I know at least one other subpar one. I looked at his last boxscore and he only gave up 1 run, but it was like 2 strikeouts in 6 innings, so I just ASS-U-MED.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not even interested in "major league ready" as a quality to look for. If you are trading away your best players, just get the best players you can get back.

[abohnhoff]

Effingham's finest, Danny Winkler, is having another solid year in the Rockies system. IIRC, he led all of MiLB in strikeouts thrown last year and has a sub 2 ERA again this year. He is 24, but should project to a 3-4 type pitcher.

[KingCubsFan]

I can't see why Colorado would trade Gray for pitching help rather than play Gray for pitching help

Yeah, I never get why people seem to think we'll get some elite arm that can step into the rotation immediately. If that guy exists, the team trading for Shark would want to use him for themselves. Any pitcher we get is going to have some kind of warts, whether it's size (Stroman), injury, or farther away from the majors.

[sneakypower]

I can't see why Colorado would trade Gray for pitching help rather than play Gray for pitching help

 

Well, he's kind of sucked this year. But yeah, they aren't giving up 6 years of Gray or w/e for a year or so of Samardzija.

aside from one disastrous start, he's been awesome:

 

1.83 ERA, 0.87 WHIP, 6.5 H/9, 1.3 BB/9, 8.6 K/9

[imb]

I can't see why Colorado would trade Gray for pitching help rather than play Gray for pitching help

 

Well, he's kind of sucked this year. But yeah, they aren't giving up 6 years of Gray or w/e for a year or so of Samardzija.

aside from one disastrous start, he's been awesome:

 

1.83 ERA, 0.87 WHIP, 6.5 H/9, 1.3 BB/9, 8.6 K/9

 

[expletive], I keep missing his starts, and his next one is on the road. I wanna see him before he goes to AAA/Colorado and falls apart.

[sneakypower]

Rox really are dream trading partner, tons of guys i'd love (to varying degrees):

 

Gray ( ), Butler, Matzek, Winkler, Parker, Dickerson, Murphy, Dahl, Herrera

[davell]

I think it's entirely plausible to think a contender would take the "known entity" over a top prospect. Because, they are "prospects" after all. Maybe even being a mid market team helps this cause, as a Colorado isn't a perennial contender? Maybe that's a reach. But I'd expect an excellent return or else there's no reason at all to deal him.

 

With the way he's pitching, his relative bargain salary, and the extra year of control-the return had better dwarf the Garza return.

[Guest]

Rox really are dream trading partner, tons of guys i'd love (to varying degrees):

 

Gray ( [-o< ), Butler, Matzek, Winkler, Parker, Dickerson, Murphy, Dahl, Herrera

 

Hammel for Dickerson is my current favorite mock trade for Hammel.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think it's entirely plausible to think a contender would take the "known entity" over a top prospect. Because, they are "prospects" after all. Maybe even being a mid market team helps this cause, as a Colorado isn't a perennial contender? Maybe that's a reach. But I'd expect an excellent return or else there's no reason at all to deal him.

 

With the way he's pitching, his relative bargain salary, and the extra year of control-the return had better dwarf the Garza return.

 

Wouldn't a big market team be more willing to trade the 6 years of control for the known entity who costs money?

[davell]

Parks said yesterday in his chat that he'd expect the Cubs to turn down Betts and Owens, yet today he said he doesn't think the Rockies would deal Gray OR Butler. Much less Butler and Dahl.

 

I'm one of the Parks fans here and that makes no sense at all to me.