2014 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

[jersey cubs fan]

And he's versatile, a definite Emery buzz word.

 

This is true.

 

He's clearly set to play a whole bunch in his rookie season, even if he does not fit on an old fashioned depth chart as a "starter". It actually fits in exactly with all the other signings Emery made, which seem designed to make the defense defense, if not particularly great.

[Guest]

I feel like this was a bit of a safety pick. Fuller seems to fit the part of a guy who can play in the NFL and hold his own, but he does not look like a difference maker. Kind of interesting to me that Emery took a guy that does not have impressive measurables, given what many (including myself) interpreted as an obsession with stand out physical presence. He likes 'em big and fast and while this guy isn't small, he's not a beast and he's not fast. I guess the ability and willingness to tackle is what stood out the most.

 

I can't bemoan "missing" on a safety. Outside of the very few elite, those pieces are interchangeable. And as others have pointed out, improvement on the line will make the safeties less of an issue.

 

Yeah, after two first round "risks" the last two years, he might've felt like he needed to play it safer this year.

 

With one of those (and the most recent) having worked out very well, not sure why that would be his reasoning.

[jersey cubs fan]

I feel like this was a bit of a safety pick. Fuller seems to fit the part of a guy who can play in the NFL and hold his own, but he does not look like a difference maker. Kind of interesting to me that Emery took a guy that does not have impressive measurables, given what many (including myself) interpreted as an obsession with stand out physical presence. He likes 'em big and fast and while this guy isn't small, he's not a beast and he's not fast. I guess the ability and willingness to tackle is what stood out the most.

 

I can't bemoan "missing" on a safety. Outside of the very few elite, those pieces are interchangeable. And as others have pointed out, improvement on the line will make the safeties less of an issue.

 

Yeah, after two first round "risks" the last two years, he might've felt like he needed to play it safer this year.

 

With one of those (and the most recent) having worked out very well, not sure why that would be his reasoning.

I don't think he went safe in direct response to 2012/2013, but rather now that it is his third draft he takes full ownership of 2014 results and he needed a guy he was reasonably assured could produce from day 1.

[KingCubsFan]

FWIW

 

In Nolan Nawrocki's NFL Draft 2014 Preview, Fuller was the 31st-ranked player overall, the fourth-best corner and sixth-best defensive back.

 

Overall I feel "meh" about this pick. Really surprised Emery had the balls to bypass Pryor and Dix.

I'm surprised Emery actually took one projected for the first round for once. I expected some guy with a 2nd or 3rd round grade that we'd have to talk ourselves into liking.

[RynoRules]

Yeah, Fuller doesn't strike me as a "playmaker" type, but then again, Tillman probably wasn't thought of that way either when he was drafted (I don't remember any more). We know he became a master at coverage in the context of the defense we ran and created tons of turnovers because he wasn't afraid to get physical (particularly fumbles). Fuller looks like that type of player.

[Guest]

i would love love love it if jernigan fell to our 2nd round pick. i wonder how likely that is.

[Guest]

i would love love love it if jernigan fell to our 2nd round pick. i wonder how likely that is.

 

i'd rather have hageman, think he's more likely to slip, too.

[Guest]

i would love love love it if jernigan fell to our 2nd round pick. i wonder how likely that is.

 

With the number of DTs available, one of them should fall to 51. Jernigan might have a better chance than the others because of failed drug test.

[Guest]

i would love love love it if jernigan fell to our 2nd round pick. i wonder how likely that is.

 

With the number of DTs available, one of them should fall to 51. Jernigan might have a better chance than the others because of failed drug test.

 

i thought hageman failed the test

[jersey cubs fan]

i would love love love it if jernigan fell to our 2nd round pick. i wonder how likely that is.

 

With the number of DTs available, one of them should fall to 51. Jernigan might have a better chance than the others because of failed drug test.

 

i thought hageman failed the test

 

Everybody got high in Indy.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/glazer-mettenberger-jernigan-failed-drug-tests-at-combine-050514

[Guest]

FWIW

 

In Nolan Nawrocki's NFL Draft 2014 Preview, Fuller was the 31st-ranked player overall, the fourth-best corner and sixth-best defensive back.

 

Overall I feel "meh" about this pick. Really surprised Emery had the balls to bypass Pryor and Dix.

 

Ok, well Mayock had him as his 13th overall pick, his top CB and top DB.

 

Matt Miller had him 18th overall, 2nd ranked CB (behind Gilbert who was gone) and 3rd ranked DB (He had Clinton-Dix two spots higher).

 

Nawrocki had him lower than just about anybody else I've seen.

 

I don't have a problem with the Fuller pick in a vacuum. He got picked at about the right place in the draft, will probably be a starter in the league for 10 years, and will be fine.

 

I DO have a BIG problem with them having the worst safeties in the league and passing on the top available guys while KNOWING there was a very good chance that the top 4 would be off the board before their 2nd pick and that there is no one worth taking until the 4th round after those 4. Really pissed about the lack of awareness. Pryor/Dix in the 1st and any one of a number of corners with 2nd round grades would have been fine. [expletive] Emery always trying to prove people wrong.

 

They took the player they rated better (and it wasn't some minority opinion to rate Fuller ahead of Clinton-Dix or Pryor) at another position of need. I hate playing the "he won't be available later so we have to pick him now" game. That's how you end up with Tyler Colvin and Hayden Simpson.

[UMFan83]

I feel like this was a bit of a safety pick. Fuller seems to fit the part of a guy who can play in the NFL and hold his own, but he does not look like a difference maker. Kind of interesting to me that Emery took a guy that does not have impressive measurables, given what many (including myself) interpreted as an obsession with stand out physical presence. He likes 'em big and fast and while this guy isn't small, he's not a beast and he's not fast. I guess the ability and willingness to tackle is what stood out the most.

 

I can't bemoan "missing" on a safety. Outside of the very few elite, those pieces are interchangeable. And as others have pointed out, improvement on the line will make the safeties less of an issue.

 

Yeah, after two first round "risks" the last two years, he might've felt like he needed to play it safer this year.

 

With one of those (and the most recent) having worked out very well, not sure why that would be his reasoning.

I don't think he went safe in direct response to 2012/2013, but rather now that it is his third draft he takes full ownership of 2014 results and he needed a guy he was reasonably assured could produce from day 1.

 

It's possible he believes the Bears are in a position to contend, and knows the defense needs help so he took someone who is solid and can contribute in year 1.

[WrigleyField 22]

While Fuller doesn't have any single stand out physical attributes, when taken as a whole he is a really well rounded athlete. And when you look at what Emery has always looked for in his WRs (and this is his most well established trait, that we can trace back all the way to his time in Atlanta), it makes sense he'd like similar things in the guys who have to defend those WRs. So height/size is definitely important and overall physicality, body control, and instincts are important. These are still athletic traits but much more subtle traits and probably harder to quantify (unlike a 40 time). Now granted his other two CB picks did not fit these physical traits but they were also late picks and u just won't find size like that out if day 3 CB.

[WrigleyField 22]

i would love love love it if jernigan fell to our 2nd round pick. i wonder how likely that is.

 

With the number of DTs available, one of them should fall to 51. Jernigan might have a better chance than the others because of failed drug test.

Not sure all will last to 51, so when two remain Emery should start casually working the phones and as soon as only one is left, look to be aggressive and jump up. That's assuming of course his boards look something like the consensus boards. For all we know he will like a LB in that range over the DL.

[apete6]

FWIW

 

In Nolan Nawrocki's NFL Draft 2014 Preview, Fuller was the 31st-ranked player overall, the fourth-best corner and sixth-best defensive back.

 

Overall I feel "meh" about this pick. Really surprised Emery had the balls to bypass Pryor and Dix.

 

Ok, well Mayock had him as his 13th overall pick, his top CB and top DB.

 

Matt Miller had him 18th overall, 2nd ranked CB (behind Gilbert who was gone) and 3rd ranked DB (He had Clinton-Dix two spots higher).

 

Nawrocki had him lower than just about anybody else I've seen.

 

I don't have a problem with the Fuller pick in a vacuum. He got picked at about the right place in the draft, will probably be a starter in the league for 10 years, and will be fine.

 

I DO have a BIG problem with them having the worst safeties in the league and passing on the top available guys while KNOWING there was a very good chance that the top 4 would be off the board before their 2nd pick and that there is no one worth taking until the 4th round after those 4. Really pissed about the lack of awareness. Pryor/Dix in the 1st and any one of a number of corners with 2nd round grades would have been fine. [expletive] Emery always trying to prove people wrong.

 

They took the player they rated better (and it wasn't some minority opinion to rate Fuller ahead of Clinton-Dix or Pryor) at another position of need. I hate playing the "he won't be available later so we have to pick him now" game. That's how you end up with Tyler Colvin and Hayden Simpson.

 

You're right, comparing two of the most obviously bad baseball draft picks in a sport where you don't expect anything from most players for 5+ years is EXACTLY the same as passing up the biggest area of need on a team with a 2-3 year Super Bowl window in a sport where rookies routinely start.

[Guest]

Safety doesn't matter enough to be the team's biggest need.

[jersey cubs fan]

i would love love love it if jernigan fell to our 2nd round pick. i wonder how likely that is.

 

With the number of DTs available, one of them should fall to 51. Jernigan might have a better chance than the others because of failed drug test.

Not sure all will last to 51, so when two remain Emery should start casually working the phones and as soon as only one is left, look to be aggressive and jump up. That's assuming of course his boards look something like the consensus boards. For all we know he will like a LB in that range over the DL.

So, not like this:

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/04/13/1225853/397641-made-men-don-draper.jpg

More like this:

http://itsguycode.com/images/stories/draper/don-draper-6.jpg

[jersey cubs fan]

You're right, comparing two of the most obviously bad baseball draft picks in a sport where you don't expect anything from most players for 5+ years is EXACTLY the same as passing up the biggest area of need on a team with a 2-3 year Super Bowl window in a sport where rookies routinely start.

 

You cannot make "need" that important in a draft.

[Guest]

if only our GM looked that cool

[WrigleyField 22]

So some people hate this pick because he is too safe and will be only a consistent starter and not a star and others hate it because he's not gonna start this year (though he really might)

 

Figures. When the haters can't agree it was probably a good pick

[WrigleyField 22]

if only our GM looked that cool

Yea, it would work better if he gave a clip of Price.

[jersey cubs fan]

So some people hate this pick because he is too safe and will be only a consistent starter and not a star and others hate it because he's not gonna start this year (though he really might)

 

Figures. When the haters can't agree it was probably a good pick

I think you are misinterpreting what people have said. I see a couple people who hate the pick because he wasn't a safety, some people who really like it and some who are just fine with it.

[WrigleyField 22]

So some people hate this pick because he is too safe and will be only a consistent starter and not a star and others hate it because he's not gonna start this year (though he really might)

 

Figures. When the haters can't agree it was probably a good pick

I think you are misinterpreting what people have said. I see a couple people who hate the pick because he wasn't a safety, some people who really like it and some who are just fine with it.

I'm just fine with it in the sense that I would have been equally happy with Dix or Pryor. But I do really like the prospect.

 

I don't think he was any safer or riskier than Dix or Pryor. It was all preference/style. As prospects that had pretty similar risk/reward. If anything Dix was the safest, both in a vacuum and specific to the Bears.

[Guest]

You're right, comparing two of the most obviously bad baseball draft picks in a sport where you don't expect anything from most players for 5+ years is EXACTLY the same as passing up the biggest area of need on a team with a 2-3 year Super Bowl window in a sport where rookies routinely start.

 

You cannot make "need" that important in a draft.

 

And it's not like the rest of the defense is hunky dory and the Bears only have crappy players at S.

[Guest]

i would love love love it if jernigan fell to our 2nd round pick. i wonder how likely that is.

 

With the number of DTs available, one of them should fall to 51. Jernigan might have a better chance than the others because of failed drug test.

Not sure all will last to 51, so when two remain Emery should start casually working the phones and as soon as only one is left, look to be aggressive and jump up. That's assuming of course his boards look something like the consensus boards. For all we know he will like a LB in that range over the DL.

 

Could see them trading up for a specific guy they like a la Alshon Jeffery but not a specific position. But also see them stand pat and take a guy who is rated a bit lower like Will Sutton or whatever.

 

Hope they don't go LB just because I really don't like anyone in round 2.