2014 NFL Draft Thread

[jersey cubs fan]

Cowboys trying to figure out a way, any way, to get Manziel. Boy would that be a spectacle.

 

About the Texans, and I'm sure this has already been discussed in this thread and I've just missed it, but what's the downside to drafting JFF? Jersey sales, season ticket sales, and the publicity alone will more than pay for the pick, even if he is a bust. So what's the downside to drafting him? That he is a mediocre QB just like 15 other starting QB's in the league? Whereas the upside is that he could be a Russell Wilson-esque QB AND you'd get all the jersey sales, etc.

 

If they pick Clowney and he turns out to be average or a total head case and Manziel goes somewhere and is All-Pro, then the people that run that organization will literally never hear the end of it until their dying days.

 

the downside is that you wasted a pick on a bad QB. That sort of thing sets back franchises for years and ruins careers.

 

"Paying for it" has absolutely no value. Jersey sales goes to everybody else.

[OleMissCub]

the downside is that you wasted a pick on a bad QB. That sort of thing sets back franchises for years and ruins careers.

 

Their careers are going to be much more ruined if he goes somewhere else and is even just "Matt Stafford good" than if they draft him and he stinks. They are basically banking their reputations on the fact that he is going to be a bust somewhere else. South Texas will never forgive those guys if he turns out to be a good QB. As far as the fans go, Clowney is going to have be the second coming of Deacon Jones to offset Johnny being good somewhere else.

 

Fair point on the jersey sales.

[jersey cubs fan]

the downside is that you wasted a pick on a bad QB. That sort of thing sets back franchises for years and ruins careers.

 

Their careers are going to be much more ruined if he goes somewhere else and is even just "Matt Stafford good" than if they draft him and he stinks. They are basically banking their reputations on the fact that he is going to be a bust somewhere ele. South Texas will never forgive those guys if he turns out to be a good QB. As far as the fans go, Clowney is going to have be the second coming of Deacon Jones to offset Johnny being good somewhere else.

 

Fair point on the jersey sales.

 

Nobody cares about the opinion of the yokels. If he goes somewhere else and does okay, but they do just fine with their pick, they will not suffer in the least in the eyes of the people who matter.

[mul21]

Cowboys trying to figure out a way, any way, to get Manziel. Boy would that be a spectacle.

 

About the Texans, and I'm sure this has already been discussed in this thread and I've just missed it, but what's the downside to drafting JFF? Jersey sales, season ticket sales, and the publicity alone will more than pay for the pick, even if he is a bust. So what's the downside to drafting him? That he is a mediocre QB just like 15 other starting QB's in the league? Whereas the upside is that he could be a Russell Wilson-esque QB AND you'd get all the jersey sales, etc.

 

If they pick Clowney and he turns out to be average or a total head case and Manziel goes somewhere and is All-Pro, then the people that run that organization will literally never hear the end of it until their dying days.

 

the downside is that you wasted a pick on a bad QB. That sort of thing sets back franchises for years and ruins careers.

 

"Paying for it" has absolutely no value. Jersey sales goes to everybody else.

 

Not saying that it isn't a bad thing for an organization, but it doesn't cripple them like it used to since those rookie contracts aren't nearly as ridiculous as they used to be.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not saying that it isn't a bad thing for an organization, but it doesn't cripple them like it used to since those rookie contracts aren't nearly as ridiculous as they used to be.

 

Sure that is true. But you are still talking about likely spending a good 2-3 years coming to the conclusion that the guy won't work out.

[Derwood]

Most draft experts are calling Clowney a "generational talent". You either draft that guy number one, or you secure a king's ransom for the pick and pick Manziel in the 6-12 range

[dew1679666265]

the downside is that you wasted a pick on a bad QB. That sort of thing sets back franchises for years and ruins careers.

 

Their careers are going to be much more ruined if he goes somewhere else and is even just "Matt Stafford good" than if they draft him and he stinks. They are basically banking their reputations on the fact that he is going to be a bust somewhere else. South Texas will never forgive those guys if he turns out to be a good QB. As far as the fans go, Clowney is going to have be the second coming of Deacon Jones to offset Johnny being good somewhere else.

 

Fair point on the jersey sales.

 

People were saying the same thing about Reggie Bush when the Texans took Mario Williams. Bush hasn't been anywhere close to a bust, but nobody has been unhappy about that pick.

 

If the Texans take Clowney and he's awesome, Manziel could be the next Favre and few people are going to be pissed. There'll be more consternation since Manziel is from A&M, but Manziel doesn't have to fail for fans not to be pissed.

[Guest]

I don't think there is a chance in hell that Johnny Football is going to be good in the NFL.

 

Clowney reminds me of Jevon Kearse.

[Soul]

South Texas will never forgive those guys if he turns out to be a good QB.

 

Others have said it, but come on OMC. If you're going to run a team based on local fan sentiment, it's time to find a different career.

 

They should make the right decision for their team -- South Texas' meatballs want crooked numbers in the win column like everyone else.

[OleMissCub]

I don't think there is a chance in hell that Johnny Football is going to be good in the NFL.

That's silly.

[Guest]

I think Clowney's game will translate well to the NFL while Manziel will need to get into a really good situation to succeed because his game won't translate as easily.

[Derwood]

He could be Rex Grossman 2.0.

 

Is Rex Grossman "successful"?

[hawkeyecub]

I don't think there is a chance in hell that Johnny Football is going to be good in the NFL.

 

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[apete6]

South Texas will never forgive those guys if he turns out to be a good QB.

 

Others have said it, but come on OMC. If you're going to run a team based on local fan sentiment, it's time to find a different career.

 

They should make the right decision for their team -- South Texas' meatballs want crooked numbers in the win column like everyone else.

 

Those same Texans fans wanted Vince Young. Mario Williams was a better pick. That being said, Manziel is better than Young and Clowney is better than Williams, at least by overall draft grades.

[pitchcs]

He could be Rex Grossman 2.0.

 

Is Rex Grossman "successful"?

 

Not for a #1 overall pick, no.

[Old Style]

If Clowney didn't have some serious question marks about his work ethic then I think he would be a slam dunk #1 pick. But those concerns are huge and the Texans need a QB more than they need a DE. For a team with the #1 pick they have a lot of talent on their roster already. A great QB, no matter what his name is, would mean more to that franchise right now than a great DE.

[jersey cubs fan]

If Clowney didn't have some serious question marks about his work ethic then I think he would be a slam dunk #1 pick. But those concerns are huge and the Texans need a QB more than they need a DE. For a team with the #1 pick they have a lot of talent on their roster already. A great QB, no matter what his name is, would mean more to that franchise right now than a great DE.

 

Too bad there isn't a great QB available.

[Derwood]

Aren't the questions about his "work ethic" mostly stemmed from the fact that he was trying not to get injured this year? He would've gone to the draft last year if he could, but since he had to either sit or play this year, why would he risk his NFL career by going all out?

[Guest]

@AdamHoge: FYI... Phil Emery's pre-draft press conference is Thursday at 11am CT. #Bears

[dew1679666265]

Aren't the questions about his "work ethic" mostly stemmed from the fact that he was trying not to get injured this year? He would've gone to the draft last year if he could, but since he had to either sit or play this year, why would he risk his NFL career by going all out?

 

The concern is that he becomes a guy like Albert Haynesworth who is far more talented than anybody else on the field, but only tries when he feels like it. I don't think it's as huge a concern as others do and I would take him with the #1 pick without thinking twice, but it's a nagging concern that can't be dismissed either.

 

In the Clowney vs Manziel debate, though, it's not like Manziel is a quiet, nose to the grindstone type either. I don't think it's a huge concern with him either, but if you're going to be concerned about Clowney's lack of effort, you have to be concerned about Manziel's self-promotion.

[dew1679666265]

If Clowney didn't have some serious question marks about his work ethic then I think he would be a slam dunk #1 pick. But those concerns are huge and the Texans need a QB more than they need a DE. For a team with the #1 pick they have a lot of talent on their roster already. A great QB, no matter what his name is, would mean more to that franchise right now than a great DE.

 

The 49ers needed a QB more than pretty much anything else in the 2005 draft and that led them to take Alex Smith. If a great QB isn't there, take a better player and fix QB later (in that draft or in a later draft).

 

There's likely not a "great" QB in this draft. I might like Garoppolo or Mettenberger more than any of the big 4 (Bortles/Bridgewater/Manziel/Carr). Probably not, but I wouldn't rule it out.

[Guest]

I don't think there is a chance in hell that Johnny Football is going to be good in the NFL.

 

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The list of good NFL QBs with his profile is maybe Drew Breese. But Breese is half a foot taller. He's small, lacks arm strength, and runs too much. His skill does not translate well to the NFL.

[sneakypower]

wow i never realized Drew Brees was 6'7

[Guest]

wow i never realized Drew Brees was 6'7

yea I messed that up. I thought Breese was taller.

[Banedon]

The list of good NFL QBs with his profile is maybe Drew Breese. But Breese is half a foot taller.

 

yea I messed that up. I thought Breese was taller.

 

It's Brees. There's no E at the end.