DeJesus traded to Nats for PTBNL

[Irrelevant Dude]

@Ken_Rosenthal Sources: DeJesus claimed on revocable waivers by unspecified team. If Nats want out of remaining $2.5M, this is the chance

And that team is the Rays. I still can't comprehend this whole trade scenario.

[treebird]

@Ken_Rosenthal Sources: DeJesus claimed on revocable waivers by unspecified team. If Nats want out of remaining $2.5M, this is the chance

And that team is the Rays. I still can't comprehend this whole trade scenario.

 

cubs place dejesus on waivers

 

nationals and rays claim him

 

nationals' claim is the one that goes through because they are a national league team

 

cubs could just say "okay here you go" but instead try to work out trade

 

nationals say "we don't really care about this guy why would we give you something for him"

 

cubs say "could you just spot us like 15 bucks in cash considerations, ricketts is out of ramen and we really don't know how he's going to make it until the first of the month and his food stamps reset"

 

nationals say okay, make the deal, immediately put dejesus on waivers again

 

rays claim him again and no one else does (or at least no one in the national league and no one with a lesser record in the al, which leaves basically no one)

[Banedon]

Humor aside, why did the Nationals claim him in the first place then?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Humor aside, why did the Nationals claim him in the first place then?

 

I'll reserve judgment until the Nationals actually don't pull him back and pick up the option. That still seems like by far the sanest possibility.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

I think I'd be pissed if I were a Pirates fan. Their outfield is increasingly resembling hot garbage and they could use cheap, short-term OF help.

[Cubswin11]

I think I'd be pissed if I were a Pirates fan. Their outfield is increasingly resembling hot garbage and they could use cheap, short-term OF help.

Well they should have made a trade before the non-waiver deadline then, or you know, ponied up and traded for Justin Upton.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think I'd be pissed if I were a Pirates fan. Their outfield is increasingly resembling hot garbage and they could use cheap, short-term OF help.

Well they should have made a trade before the non-waiver deadline then, or you know, ponied up and traded for Justin Upton.

 

The fans never had that choice.

[Guest]

@Ken_Rosenthal Sources: DeJesus claimed on revocable waivers by unspecified team. If Nats want out of remaining $2.5M, this is the chance

And that team is the Rays. I still can't comprehend this whole trade scenario.

 

cubs place dejesus on waivers

 

nationals and rays claim him

 

nationals' claim is the one that goes through because they are a national league team

 

cubs could just say "okay here you go" but instead try to work out trade

 

nationals say "we don't really care about this guy why would we give you something for him"

 

cubs say "could you just spot us like 15 bucks in cash considerations, ricketts is out of ramen and we really don't know how he's going to make it until the first of the month and his food stamps reset"

 

nationals say okay, make the deal, immediately put dejesus on waivers again

 

rays claim him again and no one else does (or at least no one in the national league and no one with a lesser record in the al, which leaves basically no one)

 

I'm having trouble visualizing this, tree, need an mspaint please

[Old Style]

I need to know where Kim DeJesus ends up. That's all that really matters here.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

 

cubs place dejesus on waivers

 

nationals and rays claim him

 

nationals' claim is the one that goes through because they are a national league team

 

cubs could just say "okay here you go" but instead try to work out trade

 

nationals say "we don't really care about this guy why would we give you something for him"

 

cubs say "could you just spot us like 15 bucks in cash considerations, ricketts is out of ramen and we really don't know how he's going to make it until the first of the month and his food stamps reset"

 

nationals say okay, make the deal, immediately put dejesus on waivers again

 

rays claim him again and no one else does (or at least no one in the national league and no one with a lesser record in the al, which leaves basically no one)

 

This is fantastic.

[Guest]

DeJesus to the Rays for PTBNL or Cash, per Rosenthal.

[TruffleShuffle]

DeJesus to the Rays for PTBNL or Cash, per Rosenthal.

 

lol

[Irrelevant Dude]

Was this trade ever resolved? Did the Cubs receive anything at all?

[UMFan83]

Salary relief /poortomricketts

[davell]

I'm all about bashing Ricketts, but this was just a case that a smart team put us in a bad spot. No one thought the Nats were going to claim him, my guess is we WERE expecting Tampa too and would have received a top 30ish type guy to add to our system.

 

When the Nats claimed him, they were our ONLY option obviously. They didn't want to give us anything, so the question becomes "Why keep DeJesus?" We wanted to give Lake and Sweeney AB's and it wasn't likely we were going to pick up his option. So, do you let him walk and save a bit of money or do you play out the string with him and receive nothing. We chose option A, which I admit, I would have done the same.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm all about bashing Ricketts, but this was just a case that a smart team put us in a bad spot. No one thought the Nats were going to claim him, my guess is we WERE expecting Tampa too and would have received a top 30ish type guy to add to our system.

 

When the Nats claimed him, they were our ONLY option obviously. They didn't want to give us anything, so the question becomes "Why keep DeJesus?" We wanted to give Lake and Sweeney AB's and it wasn't likely we were going to pick up his option. So, do you let him walk and save a bit of money or do you play out the string with him and receive nothing. We chose option A, which I admit, I would have done the same.

 

All of which could have been avoided by trading him two weeks sooner.

[davell]

I'm all about bashing Ricketts, but this was just a case that a smart team put us in a bad spot. No one thought the Nats were going to claim him, my guess is we WERE expecting Tampa too and would have received a top 30ish type guy to add to our system.

 

When the Nats claimed him, they were our ONLY option obviously. They didn't want to give us anything, so the question becomes "Why keep DeJesus?" We wanted to give Lake and Sweeney AB's and it wasn't likely we were going to pick up his option. So, do you let him walk and save a bit of money or do you play out the string with him and receive nothing. We chose option A, which I admit, I would have done the same.

 

All of which could have been avoided by trading him two weeks sooner.

He was hurt and just coming back. You can't make a team trade for a guy.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He was back and healthy for eight full games before the trade deadline.

[davell]

He was back and healthy for eight full games before the trade deadline.

 

So? It still doesn't mean someone was willing to trade for him. He's just a guy. I can easily see teams waiting to see what comes across the waiver wire in two weeks than giving up something remotely substantial for DeJesus at that point.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He was back and healthy for eight full games before the trade deadline.

 

So? It still doesn't mean someone was willing to trade for him. He's just a guy. I can easily see teams waiting to see what comes across the waiver wire in two weeks than giving up something remotely substantial for DeJesus at that point.

 

I can't even see it a little, tiny bit. He's a useful MLB player who apparently multiple teams wanted at his salary. There's no way there wasn't some sort of trade market for him two weeks earlier.

[davell]

He was back and healthy for eight full games before the trade deadline.

 

So? It still doesn't mean someone was willing to trade for him. He's just a guy. I can easily see teams waiting to see what comes across the waiver wire in two weeks than giving up something remotely substantial for DeJesus at that point.

 

I can't even see it a little, tiny bit. He's a useful MLB player who apparently multiple teams wanted at his salary. There's no way there wasn't some sort of trade market for him two weeks earlier.

 

Thru the waiver process, he basically went thru the entire league. Considering Tampa was a playoff team. So yes, 2 teams out of 29 put a claim on him, thats not a robust market and it says teams certainly were willing to see what else was out there.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Thru the waiver process, he basically went thru the entire league. Considering Tampa was a playoff team. So yes, 2 teams out of 29 put a claim on him, thats not a robust market and it says teams certainly were willing to see what else was out there.

 

How many interested teams does it take to get something for a guy?

[davell]

Thru the waiver process, he basically went thru the entire league. Considering Tampa was a playoff team. So yes, 2 teams out of 29 put a claim on him, thats not a robust market and it says teams certainly were willing to see what else was out there.

 

How many interested teams does it take to get something for a guy?

 

Well, that was TWO. One of which just wanted to intercept us once they saw a possible opportunity and had no reason to be interested in him beforehand. I really can't believe you care about this.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=spann-001mat

 

That is what DeJesus was worth. It's definitely plausible to just want the 1.3 mill in savings than that guy.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Do I care a lot? No.

 

But no matter how obvious it is that the front office made a minor screwup (or perhaps was forced into a bad decision by a sudden need to trim payroll), there's always some pushback that it wasn't *really* a screwup at all.

 

And not just DeJesus. The Cubs had an awful lot of flippable veterans that were supposedly signed almost entirely for their flippability that they couldn't move on July 31. It felt like they were just demanding too much and were surprised when the market didn't move for them.

[davell]

Do I care a lot? No.

 

But no matter how obvious it is that the front office made a minor screwup (or perhaps was forced into a bad decision by a sudden need to trim payroll), there's always some pushback that it wasn't *really* a screwup at all.

 

And not just DeJesus. The Cubs had an awful lot of flippable veterans that were supposedly signed almost entirely for their flippability that they couldn't move on July 31. It felt like they were just demanding too much and were surprised when the market didn't move for them.

 

Awful lot meaning Navarro and broke-ass Scott Baker? Kevin Gregg? Half a season of non total suck didn't wash away the total suck of prior Gregg. Plus, he was a damn non-roster invitee, I'm not blaming anyone for not being able to deal Kevin Gregg. Would you have given up a top 30 prospect from our system if you needed a reliever? Or would you have maybe paid a bit more to get someone you could count on?

 

Baker? Took a risk, didn't work. I liked the idea anyway.

 

Navarro? The Cards wanted him, I think, right? Backup C brings what as a return? Is a top 30 prospect worth it to watch him helping them win a World Series with a game winning hit or some other crazy [expletive]? As if we really wanted to see everyone going "The Cards have beaten the [expletive] out of the Cubs so much, the Cubs decided to join in and help."

 

If they miss out on dealing someone that costs an elite return, that's one thing. No one bats 1.000 when dealing in rent-a-players or comes even close.