2014 Cubs Payroll under $75 mil?

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah they did and also got rid of the rule that pending FA who gets traded, even if they receive a qualifying offer (Garza for example), can't net the acquiring team a compensation pick.

 

Wait, they got rid of that rule, or implemented that rule?

Got rid of it, that's why guys like Garza have a slightly dimished trade value as the teams can't even net a compensation pick if he leaves via FA the next season.

 

So they implemented the rule. What you wrote suggests those players now net a compensation pick.

[Cubswin11]

Yeah they did and also got rid of the rule that pending FA who gets traded, even if they receive a qualifying offer (Garza for example), can't net the acquiring team a compensation pick.

 

Wait, they got rid of that rule, or implemented that rule?

Got rid of it, that's why guys like Garza have a slightly dimished trade value as the teams can't even net a compensation pick if he leaves via FA the next season.

 

So they implemented the rule. What you wrote suggests those players now net a compensation pick.

Yeah, i'm sorry, I have no idea why I wrote that. They got rid of the old rule that those players used to be able to net teams a pick that acquired them mid-season. Implemented that they now don't net picks.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The 2014 Renovation Initial Outlay Roster AKA Tom Ricketts' Wet Dream

 

Non-tender Ransom

Trade Barney and Villanueva for pitching prospects at the winter meetings

 

Lake/DeJesus/Schierholtz (Ha, Bogusevic)

Olt/Castro/Watkins/Rizzo (Valbuena, Vitters)

Castillo (some random cheap veteran for $750k)

 

Samardzija/Jackson/Wood/Arrieta/Grimm

Strop/Russell/Lim/Cabrera/Bowden/Rusin/Rosscup

 

Projected price tag (including some arbitration estimates): $69m.

 

You could probably have a shot to avoid 90 losses and dazzle some fans with how homegrown and prospecty it is.

Edited August 5, 2013 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Cubswin11]

The 2014 Renovation Initial Outlay Roster AKA Tom Ricketts' Wet Dream

 

Non-tender Ransom

Trade Barney and Villanueva for pitching prospects at the winter meetings

 

Lake/DeJesus/Schierholtz (Ha, Bogusevic)

Olt/Castro/Watkins/Rizzo (Valbuena, Vitters)

Castillo (some random cheap veteran for $750k)

 

Samardzija/Jackson/Castro/Arrieta/Grimm

Strop/Russell/Lim/Cabrera/Bowden/Rusin/Rosscup

 

Projected price tag (including some arbitration estimates): $69m.

 

You could probably have a shot to avoid 90 losses and dazzle some fans with how homegrown and prospecty it is.

That roster would have potential to be all kinds of bad. What Castro is that, that you are listing as the #3 starter? I'm not aware of any Castro SP in the system.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That was supposed to be Wood. Fixed.

[davell]

Seeing that makes me hopeful we'll be serious players on Masahiro Tanaka. He'll command a Darvish-type posting fee, but even if he were to be signed, the payroll would be 80ish, just with a 50 mill one time addition.

[KingCubsFan]

Seeing that makes me hopeful we'll be serious players on Masahiro Tanaka. He'll command a Darvish-type posting fee, but even if he were to be signed, the payroll would be 80ish, just with a 50 mill one time addition.

Is Tanaka worth that type of money?

[Guest]

Seeing that makes me hopeful we'll be serious players on Masahiro Tanaka. He'll command a Darvish-type posting fee, but even if he were to be signed, the payroll would be 80ish, just with a 50 mill one time addition.

Is Tanaka worth that type of money?

 

He's got a ceiling of a #2 pitcher in the US according to Ben Badler (who polled a few executives and scouts), so he's not on the same level as Yu.

[Guest]

Oh boy:

 

“A million here, a million there, that’s what we can afford,” Epstein said Tuesday. “We’re not in position to throw around hundreds of millions of dollars in free agency. But if we can do it in that market, we might as well try to monopolize it as best we can.”

[Guest]

Oh boy:

 

“A million here, a million there, that’s what we can afford,” Epstein said Tuesday. “We’re not in position to throw around hundreds of millions of dollars in free agency. But if we can do it in that market, we might as well try to monopolize it as best we can.”

I infer that the quote is referring to throwing millions around in the IFA market and accepting the penalties to "monopolize" that market. I don't really mind if they don't do much on the position player side of things this winter. However, I really want them to add one more potential stud to the pitching staff. Tanaka seems like a perfect fit -- if we can afford him.

[Guest]

Yeah, there's way too much payroll coming free and too few gaping holes where bargain guys would be a true help for me to think that they're just going to hunt and peck with dollars this offseason.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yeah, there's way too much payroll coming free and too few gaping holes where bargain guys would be a true help for me to think that they're just going to hunt and peck with dollars this offseason.

 

Unless the combination of lower attendance and starting the renovations are squeezing the payroll far lower?

[abuck1220]

Oh boy:

 

“A million here, a million there, that’s what we can afford,” Epstein said Tuesday. “We’re not in position to throw around hundreds of millions of dollars in free agency. But if we can do it in that market, we might as well try to monopolize it as best we can.”

I infer that the quote is referring to throwing millions around in the IFA market and accepting the penalties to "monopolize" that market. I don't really mind if they don't do much on the position player side of things this winter. However, I really want them to add one more potential stud to the pitching staff. Tanaka seems like a perfect fit -- if we can afford him.

 

i infer it to mean exactly what he says...that they aren't going to spend hundreds of millions on free agents. which means they'll never sign an elite free agent (if such a thing even exists anymore), which means boy i hope baez/soler/almora/bryant are good.

[Guest]

Oh boy:

 

“A million here, a million there, that’s what we can afford,” Epstein said Tuesday. “We’re not in position to throw around hundreds of millions of dollars in free agency. But if we can do it in that market, we might as well try to monopolize it as best we can.”

I infer that the quote is referring to throwing millions around in the IFA market and accepting the penalties to "monopolize" that market. I don't really mind if they don't do much on the position player side of things this winter. However, I really want them to add one more potential stud to the pitching staff. Tanaka seems like a perfect fit -- if we can afford him.

 

i infer it to mean exactly what he says...that they aren't going to spend hundreds of millions on free agents. which means they'll never sign an elite free agent (if such a thing even exists anymore), which means boy i hope baez/soler/almora/bryant are good.

 

I don't think they do... but if Harper, for example, makes it to free agency, I really don't doubt that they'd be seriously in on him (especially at that point in time).

[Guest]

Oh boy:

 

“A million here, a million there, that’s what we can afford,” Epstein said Tuesday. “We’re not in position to throw around hundreds of millions of dollars in free agency. But if we can do it in that market, we might as well try to monopolize it as best we can.”

I infer that the quote is referring to throwing millions around in the IFA market and accepting the penalties to "monopolize" that market. I don't really mind if they don't do much on the position player side of things this winter. However, I really want them to add one more potential stud to the pitching staff. Tanaka seems like a perfect fit -- if we can afford him.

 

i infer it to mean exactly what he says...that they aren't going to spend hundreds of millions on free agents. which means they'll never sign an elite free agent (if such a thing even exists anymore), which means boy i hope baez/soler/almora/bryant are good.

How do you get to "never"?

[abuck1220]

he doesn't say "never," i'll give you that.

 

maybe when they're going to try to be good again in 3 years or whatever, they'll be in on a big free agent.

[pitchcs]

What is a big free agent anyways?

 

Do you want Hamilton and Pujols?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What is a big free agent anyways?

 

Do you want Hamilton and Pujols?

 

Darvish?

 

Free agency is basically dead anyway, so it's hard to get too annoyed by this sort of thing, even if I want to be.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'd settle for a Choo or an Ellsbury, guys that sound rather unlikely with comments like that.

[Guest]

What is a big free agent anyways?

 

Do you want Hamilton and Pujols?

 

It's funny, but the way things are going, those are the only types of free agents that even seem to be possibilities to sign to that kind of money, because the great young players don't get there until they're older than before.. There aren't any more 2004 Beltrans or 2000 ARods (although I think Harper might just hit the market).

 

If teams have all this money to spend now (from TV and everything else) and they can't spend it in the draft and they can't spend it on young IFAs, then you kind of have to want them to spend it on the older stars because otherwise, there's nowhere else to put the dollars (outside of obviously locking up your own great young players, which goes without saying).

[MWV]

This is not a specific response to any one poster, but I think it is germane to the discussion in this thread: Which of the free agents listed below would posters like to see the Cubs target this offseason? Apologies if this is being discussed elsewhere.

 

 

From Cots (asterisk denotes 2014 option):

First Basemen

Lance Berkman *

Jason Giambi

Travis Hafner

Todd Helton

Eric Hinske

Paul Konerko

Casey Kotchman

Adam Lind *

James Loney

Kendrys Morales

Justin Morneau

Mike Morse

Mike Napoli

Lyle Overbay

Carlos Pena

Mark Reynolds

Juan Rivera

Kevin Youkilis

 

Second Basemen

Robinson Cano

Alexi Casilla

Mark Ellis *

Mike Fontenot

Omar Infante

Kelly Johnson

Nick Punto

Ryan Raburn

Brian Roberts

Ramon Santiago

Skip Schumaker

Chase Utley

Ben Zobrist *

 

 

Shortstops

Alfredo Amezaga

Clint Barmes

Willie Bloomquist

Jamey Carroll *

Alexi Casilla *

Stephen Drew

Yunel Escobar *

Rafael Furcal

Alex Gonzalez

Cesar Izturis

Derek Jeter *

John McDonald

Jhonny Peralta

Brendan Ryan

 

 

Third Basemen

Wilson Betemit *

Eric Chavez

Mark DeRosa

Mike Fontenot

Jerry Hairston Jr.

Brandon Inge

Placido Polanco

Mark Reynolds

Juan Uribe

Kevin Youkilis

Michael Young

 

 

Catchers

Rod Barajas

Henry Blanco

John Buck

Jesus Flores

Ramon Hernandez

Gerald Laird

Brian McCann

Jose Molina

Dioner Navarro

Wil Nieves

Miguel Olivo

Ronny Paulino

Brayan Pena

A.J. Pierzynski

Humberto Quintero

Carlos Ruiz

Jarrod Saltalamacchia

Kelly Shoppach

Chris Snyder

Geovany Soto

Kurt Suzuki *

Yorvit Torrealba

 

 

Outfielders

Alfredo Amezaga

Rick Ankiel

Norichika Aoki *

Jeff Baker

Jason Bay

Carlos Beltran

Shin-Soo Choo

Coco Crisp *

Nelson Cruz

Rajai Davis

David DeJesus

Mark DeRosa

Matt Diaz

Jacoby Ellsbury

Jeff Francoeur

Curtis Granderson

Franklin Gutierrez

Tony Gwynn Jr.

Corey Hart

Raul Ibanez

Reed Johnson *

Austin Kearns

Jason Kubel *

Nate McLouth

Nyjer Morgan

Mike Morse

David Murphy

Xavier Nady

Laynce Nix

Hunter Pence

Juan Rivera

Luke Scott

Ryan Sweeney

Andres Torres

Chris Young *

Delmon Young

 

 

Starting Pitchers

Bronson Arroyo

Scott Baker

Erik Bedard

Nick Blackburn *

A.J. Burnett

Chris Capuano *

Chris Carpenter

Bruce Chen

Bartolo Colon

Aaron Cook

Jorge De La Rosa

Scott Feldman

Gavin Floyd

Jeff Francis

Armando Galarraga

Jon Garland

Matt Garza

Roy Halladay *

Jason Hammel

Aaron Harang *

Rich Harden

Dan Haren

Roberto Hernandez

Tim Hudson

Phil Hughes

Ubaldo Jimenez *

Josh Johnson

Jeff Karstens

Hiroki Kuroda

John Lannan

Jon Lester *

Colby Lewis

Ted Lilly

Tim Lincecum

Derek Lowe

Paul Maholm

Shaun Marcum

Jason Marquis

Daisuke Matsuzaka

Brett Myers *

Ricky Nolasco

Mike Pelfrey

Andy Pettitte

Wandy Rodriguez *

Jonathan Sanchez

Ervin Santana

Johan Santana *

Joe Saunders *

James Shields *

Tim Stauffer

Jason Vargas

Ryan Vogelsong *

Edinson Volquez

Tsuyoshi Wada *

Chien-Ming Wang

Chris Young

Barry Zito

 

 

Relief Pitchers

David Aardsma

Jeremy Accardo

Manny Acosta

Matt Albers

Scott Atchison

Luis Ayala

Grant Balfour

Matt Belisle *

Joaquin Benoit

Rafael Betancourt *

Bill Bray

Craig Breslow

Tim Byrdak

Shawn Camp

Matt Capps

Joba Chamberlain

Jose Contreras

Manny Corpas

Jesse Crain

Joey Devine

Octavio Dotel

Scott Downs

Chad Durbin *

Kyle Farnsworth

Pedro Feliciano

Frank Francisco

Jason Frasor

Chad Gaudin

Mike Gonzalez

Kevin Gregg

Matt Guerrier

Joel Hanrahan

LaTroy Hawkins

Clay Hensley

Rich Hill

J.P. Howell

Casey Janssen *

Jesse Litsch

Matt Lindstrom *

Kameron Loe

Boone Logan

Javier Lopez

Mark Lowe

Brandon Lyon

Ryan Madson

Carlos Marmol

Nick Masset

Kyle McClellan

Peter Moylan

Edward Mujica

Joe Nathan *

Pat Neshek

Eric O’Flaherty

Will Ohman

Hideki Okajima

Darren Oliver

Juan Carlos Oviedo

Vicente Padilla

Manny Parra

Oliver Perez

Rafael Perez

Chad Qualls

Jon Rauch

Mariano Rivera

Fernando Rodney

J.C. Romero

George Sherrill

Joe Smith

Matt Thornton *

Koji Uehara

Jose Veras *

Jamey Wright

 

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

I'm with Tim, I just want Tanaka now. Hearing more about information about Abreu has depressed me.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm with Tim, I just want Tanaka now. Hearing more about information about Abreu has depressed me.

 

Depressing you because he's going to be breaking hearts and inspiring dreams for another team? I agree.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

I'm with Tim, I just want Tanaka now. Hearing more about information about Abreu has depressed me.

 

Depressing you because he's going to be breaking hearts and inspiring dreams for another team? I agree.

 

Pretty much. Sounds like he's just a complete butcher in the field, and I'm not giving up on Rizzo.

[Guest]

I'm with Tim, I just want Tanaka now. Hearing more about information about Abreu has depressed me.

 

Depressing you because he's going to be breaking hearts and inspiring dreams for another team? I agree.

 

this is going to be way worse than the cespedes thing with you, isn't it