Garza to Texas for CJ Edwards, Olt, Grimm & Neil Ramirez

[Guest]

Not sure why it makes a huge difference. Olt's obviously had far fewer, but he's also only 3 weeks younger than Jackson, and it's not as if 250+ PA is a blip on the radar.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

I hadn't even looked up C.J. Edwards... his numbers are [expletive] insane. 48th round? 6'2'' and 155? Edited July 19, 2013 by Tangled Up in Plaid

[Fro]

Olt's potential is worth a throw in as a dirt cheap buy low candidate, but I don't think Jed/Theo have any systematic formula to turn Olt around that the Rangers don't (see Julio Borbon). It's not like the Rangers system hasn't developed talent.

 

They don't necessarily have to turn him around, just fool one team who wants him that they've turned him around and trade him at the right time.

 

Olt's still going to be a valuable chip to have provided you don't let him expose himself as a AAAA player.

[The-Kris-Bryant]

Ah we've finally hit this stage

 

Cj Edwards‏@CEdwardsSBS12m

I haven't heard anything so whatever happen happens

I wait until a player on twitter breaks a major trade

[Guest]

Not sure why it makes a huge difference. Olt's obviously had far fewer, but he's also only 3 weeks younger than Jackson, and it's not as if 250+ PA is a blip on the radar

 

it's a bad half a season. the rest of the numbers are pretty boner-inducing, i don't see the negativity.

[Guest]

I hadn't even looked up C.J. Edwards... his numbers are [expletive] insane. 48th round? 6'2'' and 155?

 

he's Derwood's meathead brother.

[Guest]

Not sure why it makes a huge difference. Olt's obviously had far fewer, but he's also only 3 weeks younger than Jackson, and it's not as if 250+ PA is a blip on the radar

 

it's a bad half a season. the rest of the numbers are pretty boner-inducing, i don't see the negativity.

 

You don't see the insane correlation that even as a guy who hit for good power with tremendous walk rates at the same levels at similar ages, that both their K rates spiked and their production dropped hard? Guys who strike out in a third of their AAA PAs don't become Major League regulars. Maybe this is a blip on the radar for Olt, but there isn't much indication at this point that it is, and the startlingly similar example of Jackson should make anyone take pause at being all that excited about him. He turns 25 in 4 weeks, it's not as if he has years to grow into it.

[Guest]

Also, for anyone that wants to hate themselves, here's a rumor from Newberg Report that could be true or completely made up:

 

Ryan Rua, Jake Skole & Will Lamb for Garza.

[Guest]

Not sure why it makes a huge difference. Olt's obviously had far fewer, but he's also only 3 weeks younger than Jackson, and it's not as if 250+ PA is a blip on the radar

 

it's a bad half a season. the rest of the numbers are pretty boner-inducing, i don't see the negativity.

 

You don't see the insane correlation that even as a guy who hit for good power with tremendous walk rates at the same levels at similar ages, that both their K rates spiked and their production dropped hard? Guys who strike out in a third of their AAA PAs don't become Major League regulars. Maybe this is a blip on the radar for Olt, but there isn't much indication at this point that it is, and the startlingly similar example of Jackson should make anyone take pause at being all that excited about him. He turns 25 in 4 weeks, it's not as if he has years to grow into it.

 

but JACKSON HAS HAD NEARLY 1,000 PA'S IN AAA. Jesus Christ give Olt a half season to turn it around. much of your argument depends upon the similarly awesome stats that each put up at the lower levels, like putting up awesome stats is a sign that Olt's going to suck.

[ctcf]

Also, for anyone that wants to hate themselves, here's a rumor from Newberg Report that could be true or completely made up:

 

Ryan Rua, Jake Skole & Will Lamb for Garza.

 

lol

[The-Kris-Bryant]

Also, for anyone that wants to hate themselves, here's a rumor from Newberg Report that could be true or completely made up:

 

Ryan Rua, Jake Skole & Will Lamb for Garza.

That's gotta be a joke. A 23 year old in A, a crappy CF having a terrible year in A+ and a relief pitcher

[Guest]

Also, for anyone that wants to hate themselves, here's a rumor from Newberg Report that could be true or completely made up:

 

Ryan Rua, Jake Skole & Will Lamb for Garza.

That's gotta be a joke. A 23 year old in A, a crappy CF having a terrible year in A+ and a relief pitcher

 

i would bring Garza to the parley, snap his arm in front of them, and then kill their horses so they can't escape the impending slaughter.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Oh, please, let's rehash all the "Brett Jackson isn't broken" arguments with Olt. It'll be fun being right again.

[ctcf]

Also, for anyone that wants to hate themselves, here's a rumor from Newberg Report that could be true or completely made up:

 

Ryan Rua, Jake Skole & Will Lamb for Garza.

That's gotta be a joke. A 23 year old in A, a crappy CF having a terrible year in A+ and a relief pitcher

 

Considering how absolutely terrible that would be and how none of the names have been mentioned, I'm not too worried.

[KingCubsFan]

Not sure why it makes a huge difference. Olt's obviously had far fewer, but he's also only 3 weeks younger than Jackson, and it's not as if 250+ PA is a blip on the radar

 

it's a bad half a season. the rest of the numbers are pretty boner-inducing, i don't see the negativity.

 

You don't see the insane correlation that even as a guy who hit for good power with tremendous walk rates at the same levels at similar ages, that both their K rates spiked and their production dropped hard? Guys who strike out in a third of their AAA PAs don't become Major League regulars. Maybe this is a blip on the radar for Olt, but there isn't much indication at this point that it is, and the startlingly similar example of Jackson should make anyone take pause at being all that excited about him. He turns 25 in 4 weeks, it's not as if he has years to grow into it.

Are we ignoring the fact that Olt is also a plus defensive third baseman?

[Guest]

Not sure why it makes a huge difference. Olt's obviously had far fewer, but he's also only 3 weeks younger than Jackson, and it's not as if 250+ PA is a blip on the radar

 

it's a bad half a season. the rest of the numbers are pretty boner-inducing, i don't see the negativity.

 

You don't see the insane correlation that even as a guy who hit for good power with tremendous walk rates at the same levels at similar ages, that both their K rates spiked and their production dropped hard? Guys who strike out in a third of their AAA PAs don't become Major League regulars. Maybe this is a blip on the radar for Olt, but there isn't much indication at this point that it is, and the startlingly similar example of Jackson should make anyone take pause at being all that excited about him. He turns 25 in 4 weeks, it's not as if he has years to grow into it.

 

but JACKSON HAS HAD NEARLY 1,000 PA'S IN AAA. Jesus Christ give Olt a half season to turn it around. much of your argument depends upon the similarly awesome stats that each put up at the lower levels, like putting up awesome stats is a sign that Olt's going to suck.

 

Jackson killed the ball his first 250 or so PAs in AAA, the size of his AAA sample isn't of much concern to me. What's much more concerning is that both guys had their K rates come home to roost at the highest level. Like I said, maybe Olt turns it around, but he's not really showing signs of that(.186/.294/.302, 40% K% in 51 July PA), and I'm not familiar with a ton of examples of guys who have just "a bad half season" at AAA before continuing to wreck shop as normal. And as mentioned, Olt doesn't have an abundance of time to put together that turnaround.

[ctcf]

Also was that a tweet the Newberg Report deleted? I can't find that list anywhere on their site or twitter account.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Are we ignoring the fact that Olt is also a plus defensive third baseman?

 

That only matters if he can hit, and he can't.

[Guest]

Are we ignoring the fact that Olt is also a plus defensive third baseman?

 

Jackson's an above average defender too. The worry with Olt is not that he won't kill the ball enough to be worthwhile at the MLB level, the worry is that he's mid-AAA flameout.

[Guest]

Also was that a tweet the Newberg Report deleted? I can't find that list anywhere on their site or twitter account.

 

It was from someone on their forum. Again, likely nonsense, but it was posted with insidery confidence and taken seriously enough by others that I thought it was interesting to share as an "other side" bit.

[ScrubMD]

I hear he's going to the Dodgers for Cesar Izturis.

[Guest]

 

Jackson killed the ball his first 250 or so PAs in AAA

 

so Jackson had a start at AAA that wasn't indicative of how his long-term performance would be?

[Guest]

Are we ignoring the fact that Olt is also a plus defensive third baseman?

 

Jackson's an above average defender too. The worry with Olt is not that he won't kill the ball enough to be worthwhile at the MLB level, the worry is that he's mid-AAA flameout.

 

based on a sample size about 1/4th as large as his comparison.

[ctcf]

TomLoxas‏@TomLoxas2m

We hear Alfaro in play now. http://Chicagonow.com/cubs-den .

[Guest]

we're seriously going to have to agree to disagree on this one, TT. i still love you and all.