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[Hairyducked Idiot]

Maybe Arrieta is another of those buy low SPs our FO is so good at finding. I thought we were all pretty confident in their ability to find those guys.

 

Maybe he's Volstad.

[ctcf]

I think last year's Maholm trade had people expecting a bit too much out of a Feldman deal this time.

 

But that team option is huge.

 

I'd rather have the return from the Campana trade than what we got for Feldman.

 

Maybe Arrieta is another of those buy low SPs our FO is so good at finding. I thought we were all pretty confident in their ability to find those guys.

 

I certainly am. Plus, this front office is going to especially familiar with these guys thanks to the AL East connection.

[Guest]

Maybe Arrieta is another of those buy low SPs our FO is so good at finding. I thought we were all pretty confident in their ability to find those guys.

 

Maybe he's Volstad.

 

He might be. Or he might be Feldman, but cheaper, younger, and around for longer.

 

 

At least the K numbers are there, which they never were with Volstad.

[jersey cubs fan]

I certainly am. Plus, this front office is going to especially familiar with these guys thanks to the AL East connection.

 

Theo was in the AL East as recently as 2011, while the other two big guys had been in the NL West for a long time.

 

Although I don't think there's any extra familiarity with being in the same division anyway.

[mul21]

I certainly am. Plus, this front office is going to especially familiar with these guys thanks to the AL East connection.

 

Theo was in the AL East as recently as 2011, while the other two big guys had been in the NL West for a long time.

 

Although I don't think there's any extra familiarity with being in the same division anyway.

 

You don't think there's any extra familiarity with guys on teams you play 17-19 times every year over a team in the other league? That's flat out ridiculous.

[Castros trade value]

Very surprised that we have this many doubters of Theo and Jed being deal making pimps. Please remind me again what we gave up that would cause this big of a stink?

[Tyrant]

It's like 10-12 starts from Scott Feldman. I don't know what people were reasonably expecting.

 

Something that's not old and terrible?

 

well that's your fault

[davell]

Maybe Arrieta is another of those buy low SPs our FO is so good at finding. I thought we were all pretty confident in their ability to find those guys.

 

Maybe he's Volstad.

I'm not an Arrieta fan, but its not like chose Volstad out of 29 other teams offers. They literally took the only option they had to move Z.

[mul21]

Very surprised that we have this many doubters of Theo and Jed being deal making pimps. Please remind me again what we gave up that would cause this big of a stink?

 

I don't think it's a stink, it's just deals being made where there's no precedent for the value of what's being traded.

[Guest]

I certainly am. Plus, this front office is going to especially familiar with these guys thanks to the AL East connection.

 

Theo was in the AL East as recently as 2011, while the other two big guys had been in the NL West for a long time.

 

Although I don't think there's any extra familiarity with being in the same division anyway.

 

You don't think there's any extra familiarity with guys on teams you play 17-19 times every year over a team in the other league? That's flat out ridiculous.

 

I really don't. Not to any important extent.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He might be. Or he might be Feldman, but cheaper, younger, and around for longer.

 

Feldman had consistently good peripherals for a long time.

 

There's a difference between finding value in guys who have been good but superficial numbers make them look bad, vs. finding guys who have been actually bad that you think you can turn into good.

[mul21]

He might be. Or he might be Feldman, but cheaper, younger, and around for longer.

 

Feldman had consistently good peripherals for a long time.

 

There's a difference between finding value in guys who have been good but superficial numbers make them look bad, vs. finding guys who have been actually bad that you think you can turn into good.

 

Does Arrietta currently throw a cutter?

[sneakypower]

Maybe Arrieta is another of those buy low SPs our FO is so good at finding. I thought we were all pretty confident in their ability to find those guys.

i get the feeling he's more along the lines of the Andrew Miller/Franklin Morales/Matt Albers-type of mediocre starter with a great arm turned into useful bullpen piece Theo sought out in his waning Boston days

[abuck1220]

stockpiling 16 year olds that have only used a broomstick for a bat is the new market inefficiency.

[jersey cubs fan]

I certainly am. Plus, this front office is going to especially familiar with these guys thanks to the AL East connection.

 

Theo was in the AL East as recently as 2011, while the other two big guys had been in the NL West for a long time.

 

Although I don't think there's any extra familiarity with being in the same division anyway.

 

You don't think there's any extra familiarity with guys on teams you play 17-19 times every year over a team in the other league? That's flat out ridiculous.

 

A pitcher you might see twice? I would think the front office types would familiarize themselves with everybody in the league and not just focus on the opponents of the big league team at the moment.

 

Arrieta faced Boston twice in 2011 and once in 2010. Strop didn't come to the AL East until halfway through 2011. He threw 2.2 innings versus Boston that year.

 

I can't imagine how they would realistically have more familiarity with those guys than with the rest of the league.

[Guest]

He might be. Or he might be Feldman, but cheaper, younger, and around for longer.

 

Feldman had consistently good peripherals for a long time.

 

There's a difference between finding value in guys who have been good but superficial numbers make them look bad, vs. finding guys who have been actually bad that you think you can turn into good.

 

Feldman and Arrieta have identical career xFIPs.

 

Not that xFIP is the be all end all, but he also has a nice K/9 (much nicer than anything Feldman had put up). He's not devoid of nice looking peripherals.

[scarey]

I feel like the IFA money is being undervalued here. When you look at the money figure the Cubs got out of it, I agree it does not look impressive. However, think about it in terms of player acquisition. The Cubs signed Jefferson Mejia for just under the amount of pool money they acquired through the moves today.

 

Now, I know Mejia is far from a sure thing, but he is a kid with a ton of upside. If I told you we traded Feldman, Clevenger, and Torreyes for a 6'7 220 lb 18 year old that can throw in the low 90s with top of the rotation ceiling, would that make you feel any better?

 

No, because they could have signed without making any of those trades.

 

Do you honestly think that Hoyer is going to acquire all that IFA pool money and not use it?

[pitchcs]

Hey look, I like Torreyes, but is he really that big of a deal? He won't ever amount to Jose Altuve Jr so who cares?

 

Trust in the regime people.

[ctcf]

I certainly am. Plus, this front office is going to especially familiar with these guys thanks to the AL East connection.

 

Theo was in the AL East as recently as 2011, while the other two big guys had been in the NL West for a long time.

 

Although I don't think there's any extra familiarity with being in the same division anyway.

 

You don't think there's any extra familiarity with guys on teams you play 17-19 times every year over a team in the other league? That's flat out ridiculous.

 

Hahahaha good luck with that gooney.

 

Also,

 

Hoyer was with the Sox until the end of 2009. BP has Arrietta as the #4 prospect in the O's system heading into that year. I'm sure Hoyer had no familiarity with him whatsoever.

[Guest]

Maybe Arrieta is another of those buy low SPs our FO is so good at finding. I thought we were all pretty confident in their ability to find those guys.

i get the feeling he's more along the lines of the Andrew Miller/Franklin Morales/Matt Albers-type of mediocre starter with a great arm turned into useful bullpen piece Theo sought out in his waning Boston days

 

That thought occurred to me too.

[Guest]

I certainly am. Plus, this front office is going to especially familiar with these guys thanks to the AL East connection.

 

Theo was in the AL East as recently as 2011, while the other two big guys had been in the NL West for a long time.

 

Although I don't think there's any extra familiarity with being in the same division anyway.

 

You don't think there's any extra familiarity with guys on teams you play 17-19 times every year over a team in the other league? That's flat out ridiculous.

 

Hahahaha good luck with that gooney.

 

Also,

 

Hoyer was with the Sox until the end of 2009. BP has Arrietta as the #4 prospect in the O's system heading into that year. I'm sure Hoyer had no familiarity with him whatsoever.

 

goony is right

 

I don't think the divisional familiarity thing means much of anything, if anything.

Edited July 2, 2013 by David

[Castros trade value]

Kasper is on with Boers and Bernstein. Bernstein blasting Cubs fans that are not happy with the deals. Len is absolutely liking the deals.

[Guest]

Maybe Arrieta is another of those buy low SPs our FO is so good at finding. I thought we were all pretty confident in their ability to find those guys.

i get the feeling he's more along the lines of the Andrew Miller/Franklin Morales/Matt Albers-type of mediocre starter with a great arm turned into useful bullpen piece Theo sought out in his waning Boston days

 

Arrieta as a reliever last year: 6 G, 13.1 IP, 10 H, 20 K, 4 BB, 3 HR

[jersey cubs fan]

I feel like the IFA money is being undervalued here. When you look at the money figure the Cubs got out of it, I agree it does not look impressive. However, think about it in terms of player acquisition. The Cubs signed Jefferson Mejia for just under the amount of pool money they acquired through the moves today.

 

Now, I know Mejia is far from a sure thing, but he is a kid with a ton of upside. If I told you we traded Feldman, Clevenger, and Torreyes for a 6'7 220 lb 18 year old that can throw in the low 90s with top of the rotation ceiling, would that make you feel any better?

 

No, because they could have signed without making any of those trades.

 

Do you honestly think that Hoyer is going to acquire all that IFA pool money and not use it?

 

That has nothing to do with what you asked. The extra pool money isn't allowing them to add the elite guys, it's allowing them to add the 2nd tier guys after spending their own money on the elite guys.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hahahaha good luck with that gooney.

 

Also,

 

Hoyer was with the Sox until the end of 2009. BP has Arrietta as the #4 prospect in the O's system heading into that year. I'm sure Hoyer had no familiarity with him whatsoever.

 

Who said he had no familiarity? What the hell are you talking about? I would assume that when he was out west he had familiarity with him. I would hope so at least. I just don't see how he'd have extra familiarity based simply on being employed by an organization whose major league team plays in the same division as the major league team of the organization where that prospect played at the time.