Minor League Discussion & Boxes 6-3-13

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Scheduled Games (All Times Central)

 

Iowa lost 10-5 (13 innings) Box Score

 

2B L. Watkins 1/6, R, K

LF D. Sappelt 1/6, K

CF B. Jackson 4/6, 2 R, HR (4), 2 RBI

C S. Clevenger 1/3, 2B (1), 3 RBI, E (1, pickoff) - rehab

PH I. Stewart 0/1, K

PH B. Bogusevic 0/1

SP N. Struck 5 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 4 K, 6-2 GO-FO, 95-61 pitches-strikes; batting: 0/1

RP J. Antigua 2.1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 1 K, 2-3 GO-FO

RP E Sanchez 1 IP, 4 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 0 K, 2-1 GO-FO

 

Tennessee won game one of their doubleheader 2-0 (7 innings) Box Score

 

CF M. Szczur 1/2, R, 2B (10)

2B R. Torreyes 1/2, 2B (9), RBI

DH A. Alcantara 1/3, RBI, 2 K

3B C. Villanueva 1/3, 3B (2), K

RF R. Silva 1/3, 2B (12), K

SP K. Hendricks 7 IP, 7 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K, 7-0 GO-FO, 72-45 pitches-strikes, CG

 

Tennessee won game two 7-1 (7 innings) Box Score

 

CF M. Szczur 1/3, R, BB

2B R. Torreyes 3/3, 2 R, 2B (10), 2 RBI

3B C. Villanueva 2/4, R, HR (5), 2 RBI, K

RF R. Silva 1/2, BB

SP AJ Morris 4.1 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 8-2 GO-FO, 59-42 pitches-strikes

RP T. Zych 1.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K, 3-1 GO-FO

RP K. Rhoderick 1.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 0 K, 3-0 GO-FO

 

Daytona lost 5-3 Box Score

 

3B B. Carhart 1/4, RBI, SB (3)

SS Ja. Baez 1/4, R, 2B (16), 2 K

RF J. Soler 1/3, RBI, 2 E (3, throw, fielding)

1B D. Geiger 0/4

DH C. Krist 0/4

2B T. Saunders 1/3, R, K

C Y. Cabezas 2/3, R, 2 2B (2), RBI

SP Z. Cates 5 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 RE, 3 BB, 2 K, 1 HR< 9-1 GO-FO, 88-54 pitches-strikes

RP YL Wang 3 IP, 3 H, 3 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 1 HR, 2-4 GO-FO

 

Kane County lost 10-4 Box Score

 

2B G. Amaya 2/5, R, K, E (10, throw)

CF A. Almora 1/4, R, BB, SB (1), CS (3)

1B D. Vogelbach 0/5, K

3B J. Candelario 1/4, RBI, BB

DH R. Shoulders 2/4, RBI, BB, K

C W. Contreras 1/5, 2 K

RF R. Golden 2/4, R, HR (1), RBI, BB, K

SP D. Maples 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 7 K, 1 HBP, 5-2 GO-FO

RP L. Castillo 0.2 IP, 2 H, 5 ER, 4 BB, 2 K, 1-0 GO-FO

RP J. Amlung 1 IP, 3 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 1 K, 1 WP, 3-1 GO-FO

 

DSL Cubs won 6-4 Box Score

 

CF R. Caro 0/4, BB, 3 K

3B A. Paula 0/5, 2 K

1B J. Pena 2/5, R, HR (1), RBI, K

LF Jo. Paniauga 0/4, K, HBP

DH J. Emeterio 1/2, R, RBI, 2 BB, 2 SB (2)

SP O. De La Cruz 2.1 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 3 HBP, 3 WP, 1 HR, 1-1 GO-FO - age 18, received an $85,000 bonus last year

RP L. Hernandez 3.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K, 3-1 GO-FO - age 18, received an $80,000 bonus last year

RP G. Abreu 1.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K, 1 HBP, 0-1 GO-FO - age 19, received a 6-figure bonus in 2010

 

VSL Cubs had the day off

 

OVERALL: 3-3

[Guest]

Probable Starters

 

Iowa: RHP Nick Struck (46 IP, 5.61 FIP, 6.07 ERA, 26 K, 22 BB)

Tennessee (game one): RHP Kyle Hendricks (58.1 IP, 2.72 FIP, 2.47 ERA, 48 K, 13 BB)

Tennessee (game two): RHP Yeiper Castillo (9.2 IP, 2.89 FIP, 4.66 ERA, 11 K, 2 BB)

Daytona: RHP Ben Wells (59 IP, 4.59 FIP, 4.12 ERA, 34 K, 21 BB)

Kane County: RHP Dillon Maples (16.2 IP, 4.22 FIP, 9.18 ERA, 16 K, 9 BB)

[ctcf]

Happy Hendricks day, you guys. Here's hoping we get some Rosscup action as well.

[ctcf]

Also, I'd like to fully throw myself on the Alcantara bandwagon.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Also, I'd like to fully throw myself on the Alcantara bandwagon.

 

Ditto. I don't see why he couldn't be the No. 5 prospect in the system right now.

 

He's got eerily similar production to Baez with much better peripherals, a year further along in the system.

[KingCubsFan]

Also, I'd like to fully throw myself on the Alcantara bandwagon.

 

Ditto. I don't see why he couldn't be the No. 5 prospect in the system right now.

 

He's got eerily similar production to Baez with much better peripherals, a year further along in the system.

At some point this week, I fully expect you to begin your all-out campaign for Alcantara>>Baez.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

We'll see where it stands at the end of the year.

[craig]

I've been well behind the curve on Alcantara, but yes he's certainly looking interesting. Certainly being #5 would make sense, behind Soler/Almora/Baez and Johnson maybe? One could perhaps make an argument for #4, ahead of Johnson.

 

His stats indeed look very much like Baez, although Baez has 23 doubles/triples to 12 for AA. Heh heh, and of course 49/20 K/BB versus 56/9.

 

I worry a ton about Baez's K-rate, and I'm not alone. But there seems to be too little concern about Alcantara's K-rate. 49K/199AB is kinda high, I think. Not quite like Brett Jackson had in AA, and not quite like Baez has this year, but I'd think a lot of guys who K that often in AA have a lot of problems against the better movement in the majors. He's only 21, so he's got time to get better. And if he could improve enough to carry his current numbers up to the majors, it would be awesome. Who wouldn't love an .832-OPS middle infielder with speed and strong defensive tools, if he could get a handle on his errors?

 

While Alcantara's numbers look very similar to Baez's, I wonder how we'd feel if Baez didn't improve his numbers. If he stepped to AA next year, and produced .832-.841 OPS, would we be relieved/thrilled that he'd held up to AA? Or disappointed that he hadn't stepped up further into more studly range?

[Guest]

so is alcantara a likely top 100?

 

If so we're looking at (likely), at the very least, Soler, Baez, Almora, Bryant/Appel/Gray, and Alcantara as top 100 guys right (4 of which are probably top 30 or so)

 

 

And then guys like Johnson, Vogelbach, and maybe Candelario as maybes? Also, maybe we land a top 100 guy for one of our trade chips...

 

That's not bad.

[Guest]

so is alcantara a likely top 100?

 

If so we're looking at (likely), at the very least, Soler, Baez, Almora, Bryant/Appel/Gray, and Alcantara as top 100 guys right (4 of which are probably top 30 or so)

 

 

And then guys like Johnson, Vogelbach, and maybe Candelario as maybes? Also, maybe we land a top 100 guy for one of our trade chips...

 

That's not bad.

If Vizcaino can come back and pitch strong enough in July/August/September, he could be there, too.

 

That's a huge if at this point, though.

[Guest]

so is alcantara a likely top 100?

 

If so we're looking at (likely), at the very least, Soler, Baez, Almora, Bryant/Appel/Gray, and Alcantara as top 100 guys right (4 of which are probably top 30 or so)

 

 

And then guys like Johnson, Vogelbach, and maybe Candelario as maybes? Also, maybe we land a top 100 guy for one of our trade chips...

 

That's not bad.

If Vizcaino can come back and pitch strong enough in July/August/September, he could be there, too.

 

That's a huge if at this point, though.

 

Yeah. It occurred to me but I figured it was too pie in the sky-ey

[Little Slide Rooter]

Happy Hendricks day, you guys. Here's hoping we get some Rosscup action as well.

 

And a Merry High Ceiling if They Can Stay Healthy With Consistant Control Eve.

[toonsterwu]

so is alcantara a likely top 100?

 

If so we're looking at (likely), at the very least, Soler, Baez, Almora, Bryant/Appel/Gray, and Alcantara as top 100 guys right (4 of which are probably top 30 or so)

 

 

And then guys like Johnson, Vogelbach, and maybe Candelario as maybes? Also, maybe we land a top 100 guy for one of our trade chips...

 

That's not bad.

 

We were discussing this in the thread the other day. My feeling is, as of now, he's borderline top 100. If he maintains his offensive production and shows month to month offensive consistency, then he's probably top 100, and maybe top 75. Young shortstop prospects (although I do think he'll move off shortstop long run) get valued highly.

 

I think the top 6 is the big 3 (Soler/Baez/Almora) and Johnson/Alcantara/Vogelbach in some order.

[Guest]

so is alcantara a likely top 100?

 

If so we're looking at (likely), at the very least, Soler, Baez, Almora, Bryant/Appel/Gray, and Alcantara as top 100 guys right (4 of which are probably top 30 or so)

 

 

And then guys like Johnson, Vogelbach, and maybe Candelario as maybes? Also, maybe we land a top 100 guy for one of our trade chips...

 

That's not bad.

 

We were discussing this in the thread the other day. My feeling is, as of now, he's borderline top 100. If he maintains his offensive production and shows month to month offensive consistency, then he's probably top 100, and maybe top 75. Young shortstop prospects (although I do think he'll move off shortstop long run) get valued highly.

 

I think the top 6 is the big 3 (Soler/Baez/Almora) and Johnson/Alcantara/Vogelbach in some order.

Until Thursday

[craig]

....

I think the top 6 is the big 3 (Soler/Baez/Almora) and Johnson/Alcantara/Vogelbach in some order.

 

I'd think Vogelbach is well behind Alcantara at this point, unless he starts mashing. Vogelbach's only a year younger, two levels behind, has a sub-.800 OPS, and is a DH/1B.

 

Vogelbach's got no shot at top-100 status with the level of production he's shown thus far. Now many 20-year-old low-A .794-OPS 1B/DH guys making the top 100.

[BeerHere]

so is alcantara a likely top 100?

 

If so we're looking at (likely), at the very least, Soler, Baez, Almora, Bryant/Appel/Gray, and Alcantara as top 100 guys right (4 of which are probably top 30 or so)

 

 

And then guys like Johnson, Vogelbach, and maybe Candelario as maybes? Also, maybe we land a top 100 guy for one of our trade chips...

 

That's not bad.

 

We were discussing this in the thread the other day. My feeling is, as of now, he's borderline top 100. If he maintains his offensive production and shows month to month offensive consistency, then he's probably top 100, and maybe top 75. Young shortstop prospects (although I do think he'll move off shortstop long run) get valued highly.

 

I think the top 6 is the big 3 (Soler/Baez/Almora) and Johnson/Alcantara/Vogelbach in some order.

Until Thursday

Assuming Appel or Gray are taken, where would you put them relative to Soler/Baez/Almora? Does either guy become the new #1?

 

edit: I realize this is in the wrong thread, I was just curious.

[Guest]

I don't think either becomes #1, but I think you could see either anywhere from 2-4 depending on their opinions of the other guys involved.

 

Personally, I'd go Soler/Almora/Appel/Baez and Soler/Almora/Baez/Gray, but I don't feel all that strongly about either ordering of 3/4.

[Guest]

so is alcantara a likely top 100?

 

If so we're looking at (likely), at the very least, Soler, Baez, Almora, Bryant/Appel/Gray, and Alcantara as top 100 guys right (4 of which are probably top 30 or so)

 

 

And then guys like Johnson, Vogelbach, and maybe Candelario as maybes? Also, maybe we land a top 100 guy for one of our trade chips...

 

That's not bad.

 

We were discussing this in the thread the other day. My feeling is, as of now, he's borderline top 100. If he maintains his offensive production and shows month to month offensive consistency, then he's probably top 100, and maybe top 75. Young shortstop prospects (although I do think he'll move off shortstop long run) get valued highly.

 

I think the top 6 is the big 3 (Soler/Baez/Almora) and Johnson/Alcantara/Vogelbach in some order.

Until Thursday

Assuming Appel or Gray are taken, where would you put them relative to Soler/Baez/Almora? Does either guy become the new #1?

 

edit: I realize this is in the wrong thread, I was just curious.

 

Soler

Appel/Gray

Baez

Almora

[Guest]

Soler

Appel/Gray

Baez

Almora

I'm pretty sure that's where I'm at, too.

 

Then...

Johnson

AA

BiggieV

[BeerHere]

Soler

Appel/Gray

Baez

Almora

I'm pretty sure that's where I'm at, too.

 

Then...

Johnson

AA

BiggieV

Appel/Gray

Soler

Almora

Baez

Johnson

Alcantara

Vogelbach

[BeerHere]

Either way.....regardless of specific order, that is a pretty damn good top 7.

[jersey cubs fan]

I can't see putting either pitcher atop this group right now.

 

Soler has done enough to stand out and deserve the top rank, and by year's end I'd hope that one or both of the other bats would have also done enough. By this time next year perhaps that will change.

[Guest]

FWIW, I'd have Bryant second, also.

[Guest]

For after the draft, I'll post this in its own thread, but I want to get it tested now.

 

I've set up a google doc where everyone can post their updated top 30's.

 

Does this format work? Is there a better way? I'm open to suggestions.

[Guest]

huh - messing around with setting up a form. Does that work better than people just cutting and pasting into their own columns?