Who do we trade and what do we expect in return?

[mul21]

ESPN's Buster Olney reports that the Cubs have received "multiple hits" on Kevin Gregg.

 

hilarious, and amazing that teams could get excited about a mediocre reliever who has a solid month or two. but please, sell that snake oil jed/theo.

 

It's not snake oil, he's a completely different pitcher who's reinvented himself. Apparently you haven't been paying attention.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Snake oil or not, if we could end up with something of value for Gregg, who we not only pulled from the bottom of the scrap heap, but many fans were infuriated when we did so that would be quite a win.

[CubsWin]

Since all is lost this season, I really hope the Cubs are able to move Schierholtz for something decent. He's having a heck of a year and has one more year of team control after 2013 despite his one year contract with the Cubs. Who needs OFers?

 

Here's a nice read from Fangraph's Dave Cameron on Schierholtz posted a few days ago.

[CubsWin]

Detriot is rumored to be looking for a closer, and according mlbtraderumors, "Other teams say the Tigers are willing to surrender top prospects Nick Castellanos or Avisail Garcia if necessary. The team is focused on finding a closer." I highly doubt they would give up either of those two for Gregg, but what if Schierholtz were included? He would provide a much needed left-handed bat in their line-up and is greatly outproducing Andy Dirks.

 

Garcia is not the type of hitter the Cubs are looking for, but is still young having just turned 22 about a week ago and was ranked the #74 prospect heading into this season by BA. Castellanos would be a coup, but I just can't see the Tigers giving him up for these two players. Is Garcia worth trying to acquire?

[abuck1220]

Snake oil or not, if we could end up with something of value for Gregg, who we not only pulled from the bottom of the scrap heap, but many fans were infuriated when we did so that would be quite a win.

 

GOOD POINT

[GammonsPocketTweets]

I want a top 50 prospect for Schierholtz

[Schwarber Fan]

Is there even another closer on the market? I'd pretty much guarantee Gregg goes to Detroit.

[Guest]

Is there even another closer on the market? I'd pretty much guarantee Gregg goes to Detroit.

 

Papelbon, Cishek, Perkins...

[Little Slide Rooter]

Detroit's wish list seems to be as follows;

 

Need-Closer; Kevin Gregg

Need-Catcher; Navarro

Want-Left Fielder (talking of replacing Andy Dirks); Schierholtz, DeJesus, Soriano

Luxury-Starting pitcher(Sanchez on DL, Porcello bad) Garza would give them the best overall rotation in baseball; Verlander/Scherzer/Sanchez/Garza/Fister or Feldman would be a nice #5 for them.

 

Any chance that we could get Castalannos out of this? My thinking is that Schierholtz would have to be in the package, as his value goes beyond his stats due to his price and remaining years under team control .

 

Say Garza, Schierholtz, Gregg, and Navarro for Castelannos+either 1 more quality piece or 2-3 lottery tickets/fringe guys? Maybe Crosby or Garcia enters the mix?

 

I'm aware that we put our top 3 trade chips in one basket, but would it not be worth it for one top 10-25 prospect as opposed to 2-3 top 50-100s and a handful of lottery tickets?

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Detroit's wish list seems to be as follows;

 

Need-Closer; Kevin Gregg

Need-Catcher; Navarro

Want-Left Fielder (talking of replacing Andy Dirks); Schierholtz, DeJesus, Soriano

Luxury-Starting pitcher(Sanchez on DL, Porcello bad) Garza would give them the best overall rotation in baseball; Verlander/Scherzer/Sanchez/Garza/Fister or Feldman would be a nice #5 for them.

 

Any chance that we could get Castalannos out of this? My thinking is that Schierholtz would have to be in the package, as his value goes beyond his stats due to his price and remaining years under team control .

 

Say Garza, Schierholtz, Gregg, and Navarro for Castelannos+either 1 more quality piece or 2-3 lottery tickets/fringe guys? Maybe Crosby or Garcia enters the mix?

 

I'm aware that we put our top 3 trade chips in one basket, but would it not be worth it for one top 10-25 prospect as opposed to 2-3 top 50-100s and a handful of lottery tickets?

 

That's a terrible return for the Cubs.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Detroit's wish list seems to be as follows;

 

Need-Closer; Kevin Gregg

Need-Catcher; Navarro

Want-Left Fielder (talking of replacing Andy Dirks); Schierholtz, DeJesus, Soriano

Luxury-Starting pitcher(Sanchez on DL, Porcello bad) Garza would give them the best overall rotation in baseball; Verlander/Scherzer/Sanchez/Garza/Fister or Feldman would be a nice #5 for them.

 

Any chance that we could get Castalannos out of this? My thinking is that Schierholtz would have to be in the package, as his value goes beyond his stats due to his price and remaining years under team control .

 

Say Garza, Schierholtz, Gregg, and Navarro for Castelannos+either 1 more quality piece or 2-3 lottery tickets/fringe guys? Maybe Crosby or Garcia enters the mix?

 

I'm aware that we put our top 3 trade chips in one basket, but would it not be worth it for one top 10-25 prospect as opposed to 2-3 top 50-100s and a handful of lottery tickets?

 

That's a terrible return for the Cubs.

 

Again, IMHO 1 Top 10-25>2-3 Top 50-100

[Splendid Splinter]

Detroit's wish list seems to be as follows;

 

Need-Closer; Kevin Gregg

Need-Catcher; Navarro

Want-Left Fielder (talking of replacing Andy Dirks); Schierholtz, DeJesus, Soriano

Luxury-Starting pitcher(Sanchez on DL, Porcello bad) Garza would give them the best overall rotation in baseball; Verlander/Scherzer/Sanchez/Garza/Fister or Feldman would be a nice #5 for them.

 

Any chance that we could get Castalannos out of this? My thinking is that Schierholtz would have to be in the package, as his value goes beyond his stats due to his price and remaining years under team control .

 

Say Garza, Schierholtz, Gregg, and Navarro for Castelannos+either 1 more quality piece or 2-3 lottery tickets/fringe guys? Maybe Crosby or Garcia enters the mix?

 

I'm aware that we put our top 3 trade chips in one basket, but would it not be worth it for one top 10-25 prospect as opposed to 2-3 top 50-100s and a handful of lottery tickets?

 

That's a terrible return for the Cubs.

 

Again, IMHO 1 Top 10-25>2-3 Top 50-100

 

You should get 2 top 50-100 guys (basically the Jimenez trade) or Castellanos plus a high risk/high upside lower level arm for Garza ALONE IMO.

 

So to also get Schierholtz/Gregg/Navarro, you should be getting more than what you got. Castellanos, Garcia, and Thompson plus whatever is probably the package I would go for unless you can get Smyly? That package doesn't get me all giddy, but then again Detroit doesn't really have the system to pull off a trade like that.

[sneakypower]

i highly doubt there's been any talk of replacing Dirks

 

Avisail Garcia strikes me as kind of a RF version of Castro; he makes good contact, but his peripherals are always kind of crappy and you don't really know when or if the power will come, and defense isn't really a strength either

 

i doubt this FO likes him a whole lot

[Clem Fandango]

I was just looking through Detroit's system. Those guys sure do love to rush their prospects through the minors.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Detroit's wish list seems to be as follows;

 

Need-Closer; Kevin Gregg

Need-Catcher; Navarro

Want-Left Fielder (talking of replacing Andy Dirks); Schierholtz, DeJesus, Soriano

Luxury-Starting pitcher(Sanchez on DL, Porcello bad) Garza would give them the best overall rotation in baseball; Verlander/Scherzer/Sanchez/Garza/Fister or Feldman would be a nice #5 for them.

 

Any chance that we could get Castalannos out of this? My thinking is that Schierholtz would have to be in the package, as his value goes beyond his stats due to his price and remaining years under team control .

 

Say Garza, Schierholtz, Gregg, and Navarro for Castelannos+either 1 more quality piece or 2-3 lottery tickets/fringe guys? Maybe Crosby or Garcia enters the mix?

 

I'm aware that we put our top 3 trade chips in one basket, but would it not be worth it for one top 10-25 prospect as opposed to 2-3 top 50-100s and a handful of lottery tickets?

 

That's a terrible return for the Cubs.

 

Again, IMHO 1 Top 10-25>2-3 Top 50-100

 

You should get 2 top 50-100 guys (basically the Jimenez trade) or Castellanos plus a high risk/high upside lower level arm for Garza ALONE IMO.

 

So to also get Schierholtz/Gregg/Navarro, you should be getting more than what you got. Castellanos, Garcia, and Thompson plus whatever is probably the package I would go for unless you can get Smyly? That package doesn't get me all giddy, but then again Detroit doesn't really have the system to pull off a trade like that.

 

Detroit's wish list seems to be as follows;

 

Need-Closer; Kevin Gregg

Need-Catcher; Navarro

Want-Left Fielder (talking of replacing Andy Dirks); Schierholtz, DeJesus, Soriano

Luxury-Starting pitcher(Sanchez on DL, Porcello bad) Garza would give them the best overall rotation in baseball; Verlander/Scherzer/Sanchez/Garza/Fister or Feldman would be a nice #5 for them.

 

Any chance that we could get Castalannos out of this? My thinking is that Schierholtz would have to be in the package, as his value goes beyond his stats due to his price and remaining years under team control .

 

Say Garza, Schierholtz, Gregg, and Navarro for Castelannos+either 1 more quality piece or 2-3 lottery tickets/fringe guys? Maybe Crosby or Garcia enters the mix?

 

I'm aware that we put our top 3 trade chips in one basket, but would it not be worth it for one top 10-25 prospect as opposed to 2-3 top 50-100s and a handful of lottery tickets?

 

That's a terrible return for the Cubs.

 

Again, IMHO 1 Top 10-25>2-3 Top 50-100

 

You should get 2 top 50-100 guys (basically the Jimenez trade) or Castellanos plus a high risk/high upside lower level arm for Garza ALONE IMO.

 

So to also get Schierholtz/Gregg/Navarro, you should be getting more than what you got. Castellanos, Garcia, and Thompson plus whatever is probably the package I would go for unless you can get Smyly? That package doesn't get me all giddy, but then again Detroit doesn't really have the system to pull off a trade like that.

 

Remember, we're talking about 2-3 months of Garza. I think that Jimenez had a few years under team control at the time. It's not often that a team is going to give up that much for a rental. That's a big part of what made the Dempster/Delgado deal so huge, and ultimately disappointing. Sometimes you'll get lucky with a team thats all in and willing to give up whatever it takes to make it happen; the Sabathia trade rings a bell, but Garza is not Sabathia, and the Tigers aren't in the need for front end pitching that the 2008 Brewers were.

[Little Slide Rooter]

How about the Pirates as a trade partner? With Tabata on the DL, they have a hole in RF, and even then they could use a lefty out there.

 

What was once a very strong rotation is now injury plagued with McDonald, Wandy, and Burnett on the DL. Not sure when they're expected back, but if in the not too distant future I could see them interested in Feldman as a temporary fix. If any are expected to be out longer, then they'd surely be interested in Garza.

[Neuby]

At this point even a guy like Cody Ransom who can play all over the diamond and provide some punch off the bench could be an attractive add on to one of our pitchers for a contender.

Theo and company got good value for Jeff Baker last year who's thriving in texas this season

82 PAs 317 9HR 16RBI .391OBP

[CubsWin]

i highly doubt there's been any talk of replacing Dirks.

Dirks OPS? .673

Schierholtz OPS? .926

 

There's no need to give up on or "replace" Dirks. But bringing in a guy like Schierholtz whose OPS is currently 250 higher wouldn't be a bad idea if you wanted to win a World Series.

[CubsWin]

Avisail Garcia strikes me as kind of a RF version of Castro; he makes good contact, but his peripherals are always kind of crappy and you don't really know when or if the power will come, and defense isn't really a strength either

 

i doubt this FO likes him a whole lot

Yeah, I said as much in the previous post. I agree, he doesn't seem like a Theo & Co. guy at all. However, the comparison to Castro is way off. Historically, their peripherals aren't even in the same ballpark.

[Little Slide Rooter]

i highly doubt there's been any talk of replacing Dirks.

Dirks OPS? .673

Schierholtz OPS? .926

 

There's no need to give up on or "replace" Dirks. But bringing in a guy like Schierholtz whose OPS is currently 250 higher wouldn't be a bad idea if you wanted to win a World Series.

 

It was mentioned in an article linked through Twitter a few days back which was discussing the needs of various contenders and now I can't dig it up. Not sure if it was something legit or the writer's speculation.

[Clem Fandango]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/06/braves-expected-to-show-interest-in-gregg.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

The Braves are "among the many teams expected to show interest in Cubs closer Kevin Gregg," writes MLB.com's Mark Bowman. Bowman notes that the righty closed for current Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez when both were with the Marlins in 2007-08. Gregg is just one of many relievers the Braves may be looking at as they pursue veteran help with Eric O'Flaherty and Jonny Venters out for the season.

 

It's a little early for a clear picture of Gregg's market, but the Braves, Reds, Red Sox, Tigers, and Padres are likely to be on the hunt for bullpen help. The Cubs and Braves hooked up on a notable trade near the deadline last year, with Chicago shipping veterans Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson to Atlanta for prospects Arodys Vizcaino and Jaye Chapman.

[Infrequent Poster]

Hypothetical

 

Scott Feldman to the Giants for RHP Clayton Blackburn and C Andrew Susac. Too much / not enough?

[GammonsPocketTweets]

I'm in the camp that this is absolute fools gold we are seeing right now from Gregg. Plz sell high.

[Clem Fandango]

Hypothetical

 

Scott Feldman to the Giants for RHP Clayton Blackburn and C Andrew Susac. Too much / not enough?

 

With the way Feldman has pitched this year combined with a weak crop of starting pitching trade targets and his low cost... I think he can fetch bit more. Not A LOT more, but a bit. He's just a rental so it's unreal to let expectations to get too high, but I think he can be used to get a prospect or two of a bit higher caliber than Blackburn and Susac. Possibly a guy in the Top 100 (in the 75-100 range), IMO.

[Guest]

I'm in the camp that this is absolute fools gold we are seeing right now from Gregg. Plz sell high.

 

Even if it weren't complete fool's gold, it would make almost no sense to keep him