Bears Offseason Thread (Trestman new HC, pg 37)

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According to espn, Urlacher countered with $3.5m with $500k incentives and the Bears refused to budge.

[jersey cubs fan]

Fwiw, Rodriguez comes off as really ghetto on Twitter. Arrest doesn't surprise me.

 

Weren't there character questions involving arrests in college?

[rawaction]

Fwiw, Rodriguez comes off as really ghetto on Twitter. Arrest doesn't surprise me.

 

Weren't there character questions involving arrests in college?

Sure was. Forgot about that.

[WrigleyField 22]

According to espn, Urlacher countered with $3.5m with $500k incentives and the Bears refused to budge.

Smart. He wasn't even worth 2M last year, so even that offer was a gamble he'd rebound. $4M is too much and I don't see him getting that elsewhere.

 

 

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[Banedon]

According to espn, Urlacher countered with $3.5m with $500k incentives and the Bears refused to budge.

 

I think they're just talking about Urlacher saying in the press that he would've gone down to that if they'd kept negotiating. But when the Bears made their offer, they made it as a take it or leave it. No room for counter offer.

[Banedon]

NFL.com backing up Emery with regards to the Urlacher situation.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000152531/article/chicago-bears-made-tough-and-wise-decision-on-brian-urlacher

[WrigleyField 22]

Re: Emery's draft; there are a few things I didn't like. McClellin was a late riser- which worries me and Hardin a big injury risk. Neither of those things is entirely bad- at some point you'll do those things. Too early to say if there's any trends that are cause for worry.

 

I'm fine giving him credit for the draft- even though he didn't have time to hire his scouts and implement his system. But its too soon to draw conclusions about his style, especially when anything you can read about his history and process should make you feel comfortable. This year should help confirm some things about what his drafts will look like. Although at the end of the day results do matter and one year isn't enough time to draw conclusions. He does have pressure to hit early with the composite of our roster though.

 

 

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[jersey cubs fan]

especially when anything you can read about his history and process should make you feel comfortable.

 

Really? He came from KC and that is a talentless waste hole of an organization.

 

I mean, I think there's some good about his history, but "anything you can read"? Come on. The guy was a strength coach at second rate colleges for most of his career. He's had a relatively brief history in the NFL. There's plenty to question about him.

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According to espn, Urlacher countered with $3.5m with $500k incentives and the Bears refused to budge.

Smart. He wasn't even worth 2M last year, so even that offer was a gamble he'd rebound. $4M is too much and I don't see him getting that elsewhere.

 

 

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If they'd offered $3 with incentives or maybe $2.5 with incentives I bet he'd take it. Even staying at $2 and giving $1 in incentives shows some willingness to negotiate. If he turns that down, ok, you tried. I get the financial decision and maybe it's best not to have him even for $2. But from a player and fan relations perspective, I wonder if the extra mil would be worth it. Taking a hard line stance with the face of the franchise and one of the best players in the league (at his peak), even if a good financial decision, is often not the best overall approach. This isn't Wes Welker.

 

*This assumes that the players like and respect Urlacher.

[mul21]

especially when anything you can read about his history and process should make you feel comfortable.

 

Really? He came from KC and that is a talentless waste hole of an organization.

 

I mean, I think there's some good about his history, but "anything you can read"? Come on. The guy was a strength coach at second rate colleges for most of his career. He's had a relatively brief history in the NFL. There's plenty to question about him.

 

Not the best measure in the world, but how can you say a team that just had 6 Pro Bowlers is a talentless waste hole of an organization?

[Wilson A2000]

Going to look bad when Urlacher signs with the Vikings for $2 million

[WrigleyField 22]

especially when anything you can read about his history and process should make you feel comfortable.

 

Really? He came from KC and that is a talentless waste hole of an organization.

 

I mean, I think there's some good about his history, but "anything you can read"? Come on. The guy was a strength coach at second rate colleges for most of his career. He's had a relatively brief history in the NFL. There's plenty to question about him.

How much have you read about Emery's past? Its limited since he has come from such a low key background, but stories I've read are certainly positive.

 

Check out the War Room (about belichik). Its a great read for a football fan and Emery gets some decent mentions in the book.

 

Specifically though he was the main force behind the Falcons picking Roddy White as one example.

 

 

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[Banedon]

Going to look bad when Urlacher signs with the Vikings for $2 million

 

For Urlacher.

[Pushfrog98]

What do I need ID for? I drive a Dodge Stratus!

This should not go unnoticed.

[jersey cubs fan]

especially when anything you can read about his history and process should make you feel comfortable.

 

Really? He came from KC and that is a talentless waste hole of an organization.

 

I mean, I think there's some good about his history, but "anything you can read"? Come on. The guy was a strength coach at second rate colleges for most of his career. He's had a relatively brief history in the NFL. There's plenty to question about him.

How much have you read about Emery's past? Its limited since he has come from such a low key background, but stories I've read are certainly positive.

 

Check out the War Room (about belichik). Its a great read for a football fan and Emery gets some decent mentions in the book.

 

Specifically though he was the main force behind the Falcons picking Roddy White as one example.

 

Anybody can have a write up with positive anecdotes. Hell, we spent half a decade listening to how many good individual moves Jim Hendry made while his team consistently underperformed what the resources should have produced.

 

I've read about Emery's history. It's extremely limited in the NFL with absolutely nothing that stands out from an excellence standpoint. It makes absolutely no sense to say that everything you read about his history should make you feel comfortable. There is plenty about his history that makes me uncomfortable.

[jersey cubs fan]

especially when anything you can read about his history and process should make you feel comfortable.

 

Really? He came from KC and that is a talentless waste hole of an organization.

 

I mean, I think there's some good about his history, but "anything you can read"? Come on. The guy was a strength coach at second rate colleges for most of his career. He's had a relatively brief history in the NFL. There's plenty to question about him.

 

Not the best measure in the world, but how can you say a team that just had 6 Pro Bowlers is a talentless waste hole of an organization?

 

Because they were 2-14 and outscored by 200 points. They went 23-41 while Emery was there. Pro Bowls are worthless, and anybody can make one. The organization has sucked balls for a long time and most recently while Emery was in charge of drafting they've continued to suck balls. People talk about the Bears lack of talent as a reason why Angelo had to be replaced, but literally nothing Emery has done in his career supports the notion that he's any better at acquiring talent than Angelo was.

[SpongeWorthy]

Hmm, I would argue that they have a lot of real nice pieces there and just need a competent coach and a non-disaster QB. All that was Piolo's doing. They should be much improved this year.

[Wilson A2000]

Going to look bad when Urlacher signs with the Vikings for $2 million

 

For Urlacher.

 

Yep

[RynoRules]

Urlacher really comes off as an ass in all of this. His first proposal was 2 yrs / $12mill. He has concluded that the Bears think he can't play anymore because they wouldn't agree to the $3.5 mill-plus he eventually proposed.

 

It's one thing to make a proposal knowing you are going to have to come down. It's quite another to make one that completely ignores reality. Urlacher's first proposal was the later, and it set the tone for the negotiations. Moreover, the Bears offered him a contract, which means they believe he can still play until he shows otherwise (Would they really bring him - the team captain and a long beloved Chicago sports figure - to camp and then cut him? What a season-long [expletive] storm that would be.).

 

Point is Brian has an unrealistic view of his value as a football player at this juncture and it affected his judgment.

Edited March 21, 2013 by RynoRules

[mul21]

Hmm, I would argue that they have a lot of real nice pieces there and just need a competent coach and a non-disaster QB. All that was Piolo's doing. They should be much improved this year.

 

Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel. Most of their awfulness can be attributed to astronomically bad QB play and a coach who has now proven to be incompetent as a head coach on several occasions. Most teams in the league would lave to have the o line, WR, and RB combo they have.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hmm, I would argue that they have a lot of real nice pieces there and just need a competent coach and a non-disaster QB. All that was Piolo's doing. They should be much improved this year.

 

Angelo's teams had a lot of real nice pieces and a combination of disaster QBs or just bad ones and they won a hell of a lot more than KC has done the past decade.

 

It's the NFL. Everybody has some talent. But if you spend 4 years picking for a team that sucks in 3 of 4 years, you cannot say "everything you read about a guy makes you comfortable".

[jersey cubs fan]

Urlacher really comes off as an ass in all of this. His first proposal was 2 yrs / $12mill. He has concluded that the Bears think he can't play anymore because they wouldn't agree to the $3.5 mill-plus he eventually proposed.

 

It's one thing to make a proposal knowing you are going to have to come down. It's quite another to make one that completely ignores reality. Urlacher's first proposal was the later, and it set the tone for the negotiations. Moreover, the Bears offered him a contract, which means they believe he can still play until he shows otherwise (Would they really bring him - the team captain and a long beloved Chicago sports figure - to camp and then cut him? What a season-long [expletive] storm that would be.).

 

Point is Brian has an unrealistic view of his value as a football player at this juncture and it affected his judgment.

 

I don't know if that makes him an ass or just like every other athlete nearing the end of his career in the history of professional sports.

[cubbyvirus00]

Report out of Minn states that the Vikings are no longer interested in Urlacher's services.

[Guest]

Dallas is the only team that has shown interest, I believe.

[cubbyvirus00]

Dallas is the only team that has shown interest, I believe.

 

They have Sean Lee, so I doubt they'd be willing to uproot a young promising player for old cranky 'Lach.