Vote for #8 Prospect

[jersey cubs fan]

I have to admit that I was very high on Maples back when we drafted him(although, it could have just been excitement of us spending). That said, he's older, has iffy at best mechanics, and may or may not even begin the season in Kane County, it'll be a while before he's under consideration for me. Likely in the 15-20 range, but he'll get enough votes to hit our top 10 on here most likely.

And he's already been hurt. He's behind a lot of guys for me.

 

Doesn't an injury just increase a pitcher's value to this organization?

[treebird]

maples

johnson

underwood

[Tryptamine]

I have to admit that I was very high on Maples back when we drafted him(although, it could have just been excitement of us spending). That said, he's older, has iffy at best mechanics, and may or may not even begin the season in Kane County, it'll be a while before he's under consideration for me. Likely in the 15-20 range, but he'll get enough votes to hit our top 10 on here most likely.

And he's already been hurt. He's behind a lot of guys for me.

 

Doesn't an injury just increase a pitcher's value to this organization?

 

Do we really need this in the minor league forums too?

[Tryptamine]

8)Villanueva- Not much of a ceiling but he's a pretty decent bet to be an ok MLB third basemen.

 

9)Vitters- I still think that bat is going to perform. He always starts out slow when he gets promoted to a new.

 

10) Johnson- Good stuff that should play as a set up man or closer even if he can't hold up as a starter.

[jersey cubs fan]

I have to admit that I was very high on Maples back when we drafted him(although, it could have just been excitement of us spending). That said, he's older, has iffy at best mechanics, and may or may not even begin the season in Kane County, it'll be a while before he's under consideration for me. Likely in the 15-20 range, but he'll get enough votes to hit our top 10 on here most likely.

And he's already been hurt. He's behind a lot of guys for me.

 

Doesn't an injury just increase a pitcher's value to this organization?

 

Do we really need this in the minor league forums too?

 

Oh heaven's to betsy what would we do if this minor league forum didn't stay pristine?

[Bilbo161]

Maples - maybe doesn't belong quite this high, but he's my next pitcher.

Lake - Such good tools. Hope he can put it together at AAA

VItters - Not giving up on him like some. He has adapted to every level so far given some time to adjust. Lets hope his next call-up shows that's true at the major league level too.

 

Bill

[XZero771679666304]

I have to admit that I was very high on Maples back when we drafted him(although, it could have just been excitement of us spending). That said, he's older, has iffy at best mechanics, and may or may not even begin the season in Kane County, it'll be a while before he's under consideration for me. Likely in the 15-20 range, but he'll get enough votes to hit our top 10 on here most likely.

And he's already been hurt. He's behind a lot of guys for me.

 

Doesn't an injury just increase a pitcher's value to this organization?

 

Do we really need this in the minor league forums too?

 

Oh heaven's to betsy what would we do if this minor league forum didn't stay pristine?

 

It'd be nice if there was one corner of the board spared from this useless, tired, predictable and unfunny [expletive].

Edited December 13, 2012 by XZero77

[jumbo]

I went with Candelario, Johnson, and Villanueva. The order doesn't matter much to me at this point.

 

Villanueva is close to the big leagues and seems safe to make it as a 3B.

Johnson if beyond injury issues should move quickly

Candelario is young for his level (elite young), has plus potential in his bat, siwtch hits, and still has time to resolve position concerns at 3B. Immense upside.

[rawaction]

Pierce Johnson

Duane Underwood

Christian Villanueva

 

Underwood's ceiling is far too high to pick Villanueva, Alcantara, Vitters, Szczur or Cabrera ahead of him.

I'm having a really hard time putting any of the pitchers that have barely thrown at the pro level (and didn't have knockout results in the few innings they did pitch) ahead of guys that have a floor of at least reaching the majors. I get the upside argument, but Lake's more likely to be a great MLB third baseman than Underwood a #1 or #2 pitcher at this point.

Then why Almora #2? I voted for the same 3 as Raisin. For pretty much the same reasons.

[Guest]

Pierce Johnson

Duane Underwood

Christian Villanueva

 

Underwood's ceiling is far too high to pick Villanueva, Alcantara, Vitters, Szczur or Cabrera ahead of him.

I'm having a really hard time putting any of the pitchers that have barely thrown at the pro level (and didn't have knockout results in the few innings they did pitch) ahead of guys that have a floor of at least reaching the majors. I get the upside argument, but Lake's more likely to be a great MLB third baseman than Underwood a #1 or #2 pitcher at this point.

Then why Almora #2? I voted for the same 3 as Raisin. For pretty much the same reasons.

Because even high school position players are much more predictable than young pitchers.

[82TonyM]

8. Maples

9. Villenueva

10. Vitters

[rawaction]

Pierce Johnson

Duane Underwood

Christian Villanueva

 

Underwood's ceiling is far too high to pick Villanueva, Alcantara, Vitters, Szczur or Cabrera ahead of him.

I'm having a really hard time putting any of the pitchers that have barely thrown at the pro level (and didn't have knockout results in the few innings they did pitch) ahead of guys that have a floor of at least reaching the majors. I get the upside argument, but Lake's more likely to be a great MLB third baseman than Underwood a #1 or #2 pitcher at this point.

Then why Almora #2? I voted for the same 3 as Raisin. For pretty much the same reasons.

Because even high school position players are much more predictable than young pitchers.

 

True. Just playing devil's advocate. And part of me admittedly doesn't want to rank Vitters and Lake too high because they've been around for a while and I have more hope for the system if the new guys coming in are "better". Though, Lake is making a strong case for top 10 in winter ball and with his newfound position flexibility.

[Guest]

pierce

villanueva

maples

[CubsWin]

I went Villanueva 8th because of his across the board tools, highly regarded make-up, consistent performance at every level, he'll be 21 and in AA and he plays a premium position and plays it well.

 

After that, it got much harder. There are cases to be made for Lake, Vitters, Szczur, Maples, Johnson, Underwood and Alcantara. Lake and Vitters had really good numbers last season at higher levels. Maples, Johnson and Underwood have hardly played at all, but have high ceilings and high rankings from some experts. What Alcantara did in the FSL as a 20 year old while playing SS and having the tools to stick there is impressive. And Szczur has a nice tool set and continues to noticeably improve his skill set every year.

 

I went Pierce Johnson at #9 and Maples at #10 largely based on their theorized ceilings, strong scouting reports and high rankings in some experts lists. I eagerly await seeing if they can fulfill some of their much-ballyhooed potential in 2013.

[jumbo]

So Villanueva is #8 and Maples is #9?

 

Added this:

Potential upcoming picks...not really in order

Candelario

Johnson

Wells

Szczur

Vitters

Lake

Loux

McNutt

Alcantara

Underwood

Blackburn

Torreyes

[toonsterwu]

I really don't know if we should automatically put Maples on. Granted, there's a wide enough gap from Maples to Vitters/Johnson, but I guess I just wonder if extending it out one more vote would see someone pass him. Maybe that's me, though. Heck, if I'm putting a young arm on, I'd go Underwood ahead of Maples because Underwood's ceiling is arguably higher and he doesn't have the mechanical concerns (granted, neither would be in my next 3, assuming Villanueva made it on).

[Guest]

27-23 vote with 121 votes in. Do we do a run off?

[davell]

27-23 vote with 121 votes in. Do we do a run off?

It was 35-30, Brett over Paniagua and we moved on to 8. Maples isn't even on my radar yet for this, but the fair thing seems to be putting him at 9 and voting on 10.

[Guest]

I'm very limited today, so I need someone else to set it up if we move on.

[toonsterwu]

Tim, I think we need to know what you want to do with it. I don't think we need a runoff, but that may be my bias. Would you want to put Maples in at 9 and jump to 10? Or would you prefer a runoff? Or do we put Villanueva on and move onto 9? Davell is right that past precedent would, much as I would disagree with it, suggest that Maples gets put on here.

 

I guess, if Tim is that busy, this can be thrown out to everyone and then someone can pick up the banner and roll with the next poll. Personally, my preference is to do a vote at 9, but davell is right that we just put Paniagua on. Of course, both Paniagua and Jackson, last round, had more votes than Villanueva this round, and we have similar vote totals as I write this (130 vs. 133). Perhaps we should put a baseline on for when we put two on (say, a guy has past 20% of the total votes and is within 3-5 of the top vote-getter and is say, a healthy amount of votes ahead of 3rd place, say, 6-8). Then again, that might be my own bias (I really don't see the case for Maples here, and that 20% marker would admittedly knock Maples out of an automatic add). Don't know, a lot of ways we could skin. Again, my preference is to put Villanueva on, set up a barrier for when we skip ahead, and move onto 9.

 

As a total side note, I find it interesting that everyone but Marco Hernandez has gotten a vote.

 

Edit: Would also add that we should probably set a time limit on each vote, otherwise it'll take a heck of a long time. Maybe 48 hours, just to give people enough time. Or maybe we go with something like once we get to X number of votes, we can make a judgment based on the data available.

[Guest]

I'm setting up a new poll right now.