The 2012 Offseason Thread

[WrigleyField 22]

If we wait for Garza proves he is healthy you may lose the hometown deal. Just run a risk/cost analysis (you should have all the medicals) and put an offer. It may bite you, but as long as the contract reflects the risk fairly, just do it. And as alluded, be more concerned with years and trade protection than AAV.

 

 

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[Guest]

If we wait for Garza proves he is healthy you may lose the hometown deal. Just run a risk/cost analysis (you should have all the medicals) and put an offer. It may bite you, but as long as the contract reflects the risk fairly, just do it. And as alluded, be more concerned with years and trade protection than AAV.

 

 

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If Garza proves he's healthy, you trade him at the deadline and reap the hall of prospects.

 

He had his best season when he threw an unsustainable amount of breaking balls, pitchers that put stress on his arm to the point that he was less effective and injured. He's never going to recapture 2011.

[WrigleyField 22]

If we wait for Garza proves he is healthy you may lose the hometown deal. Just run a risk/cost analysis (you should have all the medicals) and put an offer. It may bite you, but as long as the contract reflects the risk fairly, just do it. And as alluded, be more concerned with years and trade protection than AAV.

 

 

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If Garza proves he's healthy, you trade him at the deadline and reap the hall of prospects.

Well an extension doesn't harm those efforts.

 

 

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[CubColtPacer]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/8858984/sources-chicago-cubs-arizona-diamondbacks-discussed-justin-upton-trade

 

The Cubs asked about Upton recently, the Diamondbacks asked for Castro, and that's where the talks ended.

[Little Slide Rooter]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/8858984/sources-chicago-cubs-arizona-diamondbacks-discussed-justin-upton-trade

 

The Cubs asked about Upton recently, the Diamondbacks asked for Castro, and that's where the talks ended.

 

Whenever I see these types of reports, I have to wonder if they were actual negotiations or just casual

 

Theo/Jed: so assuming Upton's agrees to come to the Cubs, what are we talking?

 

Towers: we'll start with Castro and go from there

 

Theo/Jed: anyway it happens without Castro?

 

Towers: not gonna happen. Not saying not ever, but certainly not now

 

Theo/Jed: maybe we'll talk in the Summer

 

Towers: sounds good. Say hi to Marie and the kids for me.

[Cubswin11]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/8858984/sources-chicago-cubs-arizona-diamondbacks-discussed-justin-upton-trade

 

The Cubs asked about Upton recently, the Diamondbacks asked for Castro, and that's where the talks ended.

Why would they want Castro, I thought Didi Gregorius was the next Jeter?

[RynoRules]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/8858984/sources-chicago-cubs-arizona-diamondbacks-discussed-justin-upton-trade

 

The Cubs asked about Upton recently, the Diamondbacks asked for Castro, and that's where the talks ended.

Why would they want Castro, I thought Didi Gregorius was the next Jeter?

 

Move him to 2B? Spin him off?

[Cubs Fan Dan]

ABTY from PSD

 

Hearing both Junior Lake and Logan Watkins have been 'very close' to being dealt in the past week- not sure if both are or it's an either or type...

 

Team offered Baez in an Upton proposal... Towers never backed off Castro and did in fact offer others with Upton...

 

The Lake and Watkins blurb does not surprise me as I thought we had heard there would be some prospect for prospect type dealers. Curious to see who Towers would have packaged with Upton. If it was Skaggs or someone along those lines I would have a tough time saying know.

[Clem Fandango]

I wouldn't. I'd turn that down with the swiftness.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I wouldn't. I'd turn that down with the swiftness.

 

Me, too. With Starlin being signed through 2019 at really nice prices and us still holding a 2020 option on him, I really want nothing to do with trading him.

[Guest]

Seriously, Upton for Castro is such a non-starter it's just intellectually insulting to make it a sticking point. Castro's value is orders of magnitude greater, it's not worth putting together a serious package for.

[Cubswin11]

I wouldn't. I'd turn that down with the swiftness.

 

Me, too. With Starlin being signed through 2019 at really nice prices and us still holding a 2020 option on him, I really want nothing to do with trading him.

Yeah, there are very few guys I'd trade/build a package around Castro for. Upton isn't one of them.

 

I wonder what else we offered along with Baez for Upton?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This has pretty consistently been both the story and the obvious answer since Upton rumors popped up: Castro is too much, Baez isn't enough/doesn't interest them, and that's that. No fit.

[davell]

He was saying if they offered Upton and more for Castro.(which is what ABTY alluded to). If the deal on the table was Upton and Skaggs for Castro, I'd have to seriously consider it. Honestly don't know whether I'd pull the trigger or not.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

He was saying if they offered Upton and more for Castro.(which is what ABTY alluded to). If the deal on the table was Upton and Skaggs for Castro, I'd have to seriously consider it. Honestly don't know whether I'd pull the trigger or not.

 

Count me as a for sure no.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Seriously, Upton for Castro is such a non-starter it's just intellectually insulting to make it a sticking point. Castro's value is orders of magnitude greater, it's not worth putting together a serious package for.

 

I'm not saying I'd make the deal, but Upton is one year removed from an an fWAR equal to Castro's best two. It's not that insulting.

[Rex Buckingham]

Seriously, Upton for Castro is such a non-starter it's just intellectually insulting to make it a sticking point. Castro's value is orders of magnitude greater, it's not worth putting together a serious package for.

 

I'm not saying I'd make the deal, but Upton is one year removed from an an fWAR equal to Castro's best two. It's not that insulting.

 

But, that also supposes that Upton's injury issues will not linger... Hasn't he had shoulder problems?

[Guest]

Seriously, Upton for Castro is such a non-starter it's just intellectually insulting to make it a sticking point. Castro's value is orders of magnitude greater, it's not worth putting together a serious package for.

 

I'm not saying I'd make the deal, but Upton is one year removed from an an fWAR equal to Castro's best two. It's not that insulting.

 

Castro is nearly 3 years younger, doesn't have Upton's injury concerns, was better in this most recent season, and most importantly is under contract for an additional 5 years. Upton has achieved more, but his injuries and inconsistency have robbed a team of the certainty of that performance, to the point that ZiPS projects the two to be similar values as soon as this year. Towers is essentially saying, we'd like to trade our RF Justin Upton for your SS Justin Upton that's 3 years younger and you have under contract for an additional 5 years. It's madness.

[SouthSideRyan]

Seriously, Upton for Castro is such a non-starter it's just intellectually insulting to make it a sticking point. Castro's value is orders of magnitude greater, it's not worth putting together a serious package for.

 

I'm not saying I'd make the deal, but Upton is one year removed from an an fWAR equal to Castro's best two. It's not that insulting.

 

And last year he wasn't any good, and is signed for 5 less years than Castro at worse prices.

[Sammy Sofa]

Seriously, Upton for Castro is such a non-starter it's just intellectually insulting to make it a sticking point. Castro's value is orders of magnitude greater, it's not worth putting together a serious package for.

 

I'm not saying I'd make the deal, but Upton is one year removed from an an fWAR equal to Castro's best two. It's not that insulting.

 

Yes it is.

[abuck1220]

Seriously, Upton for Castro is such a non-starter it's just intellectually insulting to make it a sticking point. Castro's value is orders of magnitude greater, it's not worth putting together a serious package for.

 

I'm not saying I'd make the deal, but Upton is one year removed from an an fWAR equal to Castro's best two. It's not that insulting.

 

that's what makes it insulting.

[CubsWin]

ABTY from PSD

 

Hearing both Junior Lake and Logan Watkins have been 'very close' to being dealt in the past week- not sure if both are or it's an either or type...

 

Team offered Baez in an Upton proposal... Towers never backed off Castro and did in fact offer others with Upton...

 

The Lake and Watkins blurb does not surprise me as I thought we had heard there would be some prospect for prospect type dealers. Curious to see who Towers would have packaged with Upton. If it was Skaggs or someone along those lines I would have a tough time saying know.

I would love to see what kind of arm they could get in exchange for Lake or Watkins or some package thereof.

[Clem Fandango]

ABTY from PSD

 

Hearing both Junior Lake and Logan Watkins have been 'very close' to being dealt in the past week- not sure if both are or it's an either or type...

 

Team offered Baez in an Upton proposal... Towers never backed off Castro and did in fact offer others with Upton...

 

The Lake and Watkins blurb does not surprise me as I thought we had heard there would be some prospect for prospect type dealers. Curious to see who Towers would have packaged with Upton. If it was Skaggs or someone along those lines I would have a tough time saying know.

I would love to see what kind of arm they could get in exchange for Lake or Watkins or some package thereof.

 

First thing I thought when I read that was they were probably some of the players involved in the rumored Porcello discussions

[Cubswin11]

This was brought up on PSD, but if we really turned down a Lake for Escobar deal I'm interested to see what kind of trade we are looking at with him. Escobar's value obviously took a hit with his character issues, but he's a good player and if we turned down him for Lake I'd like to think we are looking to get a similar or better player back in return for him if Lake is the guy that goes.

[davell]

If we're looking at a trade right now, its to create an open 40 man spot. Maybe more than one, if Hairston is a possibility. Which I think he is. If Lake or whoever is dealt, I'd expect it to be for pitching, thats not on the 40 man currently.