Misc. Cubs offseason rumor discussion

[USSoccer]

Our OF isn't exactly cavernous, though. Not that I'm necessarily advocating for Swisher, but couldn't you get away with him in RF and Jackson in CF?

 

Jackson?

 

As in Brett?

 

If you are worried about OF defense, yeah. He's a very good defensive CF.

 

But again, this is hypothetical, since I'm not sure signing Swisher would be a great idea.

[jersey cubs fan]

Our OF isn't exactly cavernous, though. Not that I'm necessarily advocating for Swisher, but couldn't you get away with him in RF and Jackson in CF?

 

Jackson?

 

As in Brett?

 

If you are worried about OF defense, yeah. He's a very good defensive CF.

 

But again, this is hypothetical, since I'm not sure signing Swisher would be a great idea.

 

He's not "very good", and he has no business starting at the major league level this spring. You should not build a roster with the expectation of Jackson manning CF on opening day.

[USSoccer]

 

He's not "very good", and he has no business starting at the major league level this spring. You should not build a roster with the expectation of Jackson manning CF on opening day.

 

I know you get all worked up and all, and I won't disagree with you saying he shouldn't be counted on to start and I'm not saying he's very good offensively, but his defense has always been one of his strong suits. It's ok to admit that he sucks offensively but he's good defensively.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wouldn't DeJesus likely be manning CF if they signed someone like Swisher? Everyone seems to forget he exists.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

He's not "very good", and he has no business starting at the major league level this spring. You should not build a roster with the expectation of Jackson manning CF on opening day.

 

I know you get all worked up and all, and I won't disagree with you saying he shouldn't be counted on to start and I'm not saying he's very good offensively, but his defense has always been one of his strong suits. It's ok to admit that he sucks offensively but he's good defensively.

 

He's never been described as a "very good" defensive CF. He's been described as a guy who should be able to play CF at the major league level, but running him out in center isn't going to make up for weaknesses on the corner. He can hold his own.

[jersey cubs fan]

Wouldn't DeJesus likely be manning CF if they signed someone like Swisher? Everyone seems to forget he exists.

 

Yes, Soriano/DeJesus/Swisher would be the OF and would be quite questionable.

[USSoccer]

Wouldn't DeJesus likely be manning CF if they signed someone like Swisher? Everyone seems to forget he exists.

 

Irrationally, I've never cared for DeJesus. But you're probably right.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wouldn't DeJesus likely be manning CF if they signed someone like Swisher? Everyone seems to forget he exists.

 

Yes, Soriano/DeJesus/Swisher would be the OF and would be quite questionable.

 

Wasn't even arguing the last part, but thanks for being you.

[jersey cubs fan]

Wouldn't DeJesus likely be manning CF if they signed someone like Swisher? Everyone seems to forget he exists.

 

Yes, Soriano/DeJesus/Swisher would be the OF and would be quite questionable.

 

Wasn't even arguing the last part, but thanks for being you.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by that, I wasn't "arguing" any part with you.

[Guest]

Not to get into semantics but I don't think Jackson is a "very good" defensive CF, certainly not one you'd want to plug in between Soriano and Swisher, considering their poor range.

 

That's not to say Jackson isn't above average defensively.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wouldn't DeJesus likely be manning CF if they signed someone like Swisher? Everyone seems to forget he exists.

 

Yes, Soriano/DeJesus/Swisher would be the OF and would be quite questionable.

 

Wasn't even arguing the last part, but thanks for being you.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by that, I wasn't "arguing" any part with you.

 

Because you were tossing it in there either like you thought you had to clarify that for everyone, or like you thought I was saying, "guys, it's cool; with David DeJesus' amazing defense the Cubs will be fine in the OF if he has Soriano and Swisher on either side of him."

 

But let's move on to bigger and better things.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not to get into semantics but I don't think Jackson is a "very good" defensive CF, certainly not one you'd want to plug in between Soriano and Swisher, considering their poor range.

 

That's not to say Jackson isn't above average defensively.

 

Yeah, that's what I mean. If he could hit Soriano/Jackson/DeJesus would be a quality OF. But that other option would be shaky, which is why I don't think Swisher fits "perfectly" into this roster.

 

Not that I'd hate to see him mixing and matching in the corner OF spots and filling in for Rizzo on occasion.

[XZero771679666304]

Not to get into semantics but I don't think Jackson is a "very good" defensive CF, certainly not one you'd want to plug in between Soriano and Swisher, considering their poor range.

 

That's not to say Jackson isn't above average defensively.

 

Michael Bourn may be, but I certainly don't see any scenario where both are signed.

[jersey cubs fan]

Because you were tossing it in there either like you thought you had to clarify that for everyone, or like you thought I was saying, "guys, it's cool; with David DeJesus' amazing defense the Cubs will be fine in the OF if he has Soriano and Swisher on either side of him."

 

But let's move on to bigger and better things.

 

I was tossing it in there because of the earlier assertions that Swisher would fit perfectly or that Jackson would make it all better.

[Guest]

I saw nothing wrong or out of line with what jersey posted there.

[USSoccer]

Because you were tossing it in there either like you thought you had to clarify that for everyone, or like you thought I was saying, "guys, it's cool; with David DeJesus' amazing defense the Cubs will be fine in the OF if he has Soriano and Swisher on either side of him."

 

But let's move on to bigger and better things.

 

I was tossing it in there because of the earlier assertions that Swisher would fit perfectly or that Jackson would make it all better.

 

Except that nobody said Jackson would make it all better.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not to get into semantics but I don't think Jackson is a "very good" defensive CF, certainly not one you'd want to plug in between Soriano and Swisher, considering their poor range.

 

That's not to say Jackson isn't above average defensively.

 

Michael Bourn may be, but I certainly don't see any scenario where both are signed.

 

DeJesus would have to be traded, probably as well as one other relatively decent contract. Marmol?

[Backtobanks]

My post about Swisher was purely thinking offense rather than defense because the offense is still pretty pathetic. Obviously, signing Swisher isn't going to happen, but it would certainly be a good fit offensively.

[Sammy Sofa]

Because you were tossing it in there either like you thought you had to clarify that for everyone, or like you thought I was saying, "guys, it's cool; with David DeJesus' amazing defense the Cubs will be fine in the OF if he has Soriano and Swisher on either side of him."

 

But let's move on to bigger and better things.

 

I was tossing it in there because of the earlier assertions that Swisher would fit perfectly or that Jackson would make it all better.

 

Clearly the former (and it was only one person) was talking about the Cubs' offensive needs and nobody said the latter.

 

You and David can go line judge each other or whatever.

[jersey cubs fan]

My post about Swisher was purely thinking offense rather than defense because the offense is still pretty pathetic. Obviously, signing Swisher isn't going to happen, but it would certainly be a good fit offensively.

 

Okay, but roster decisions don't happen in such a vacuum.

[jersey cubs fan]

Because you were tossing it in there either like you thought you had to clarify that for everyone, or like you thought I was saying, "guys, it's cool; with David DeJesus' amazing defense the Cubs will be fine in the OF if he has Soriano and Swisher on either side of him."

 

But let's move on to bigger and better things.

 

I was tossing it in there because of the earlier assertions that Swisher would fit perfectly or that Jackson would make it all better.

 

Except that nobody said Jackson would make it all better.

 

No, you didn't say all better, you just said they'd be fine with Jackson in CF and Swisher in RF because Jackson is a very good defensive CF. But the whole GD point is Jackson isn't "very good" defensively and he has no business starting in CF this spring and that would leave DeJesus in CF, which reduces his defensive effectiveness and coupled with Soriano and Swisher on either side leaves a big hole.

[Sammy Sofa]

YES, WE KNOW.

[sneakypower]

Swisher's moderately interesting, if for no other reason than we didn't have a single player top a .355 obp last year

[Backtobanks]

My post about Swisher was purely thinking offense rather than defense because the offense is still pretty pathetic. Obviously, signing Swisher isn't going to happen, but it would certainly be a good fit offensively.

 

Okay, but roster decisions don't happen in such a vacuum.

 

You mean teams don't sign players that are very good offensively, but are weak on defense (or vice versa)? I would think there are probably 1-2 positional starters on most teams that would fit that description.

[Guest]

My post about Swisher was purely thinking offense rather than defense because the offense is still pretty pathetic. Obviously, signing Swisher isn't going to happen, but it would certainly be a good fit offensively.

 

Okay, but roster decisions don't happen in such a vacuum.

 

You mean teams don't sign players that are very good offensively, but are weak on defense (or vice versa)? I would think there are probably 1-2 positional starters on most teams that would fit that description.

 

No. He means that both things matter.