Misc. Cubs offseason rumor discussion

[mookie]

Maybe it worked. Lets not forget Joey Bats.

[ctcf]

Maybe it worked. Lets not forget Joey Bats.

 

Or Rizzo

[Guest]

Victorino to the Red Sox.

 

MLB Trade Rumors ‏@mlbtraderumors

Red Sox To Sign Shane Victorino http://bit.ly/TMWZxn #mlb

[Rob]

Jesse Rogers ‏@ESPNChiCubs

Sveum says Brett Jackson "overhauled his swing" this fall. Totally diff..hoping results are too

 

That sounds like desperation.

 

Is that a bad thing? He had to make pretty major changes to be anything more useful than a decent 4th OF. I'm comfortable with the risk of screwing that up.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Jesse Rogers ‏@ESPNChiCubs

Sveum says Brett Jackson "overhauled his swing" this fall. Totally diff..hoping results are too

 

That sounds like desperation.

 

Is that a bad thing? He had to make pretty major changes to be anything more useful than a decent 4th OF. I'm comfortable with the risk of screwing that up.

 

It's not a bad thing that he's trying. It's a bad thing that it got to this point. Our sure fire, high-floor, AAA CFer turned is turning to hail mary shots to save his career less than a year later.

 

It'd be really nice if it works, because our medium-term OF picture is hideous.

[Guest]

All hail Caesar!

 

Seriously, I think people are underestimating him a bit. He won't be a big star, but he could be a cheaper version of Victorino.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

All hail Caesar!

 

Seriously, I think people are underestimating him a bit. He won't be a big star, but he could be a cheaper version of Victorino.

 

I think he'll be the CF version of Bobby Hill. With maybe less hit tool.

[XZero771679666304]

Jesse Rogers ‏@ESPNChiCubs

Sveum says Brett Jackson "overhauled his swing" this fall. Totally diff..hoping results are too

 

That sounds like desperation.

 

Is that a bad thing? He had to make pretty major changes to be anything more useful than a decent 4th OF. I'm comfortable with the risk of screwing that up.

 

It's not a bad thing that he's trying. It's a bad thing that it got to this point. Our sure fire, high-floor, AAA CFer turned is turning to hail mary shots to save his career less than a year later.

 

It'd be really nice if it works, because our medium-term OF picture is hideous.

 

Who said he was high floor? His contact issues always marked him as a potential bust candidate, at least in my book.

[Guest]

Jesse Rogers ‏@ESPNChiCubs

Sveum says Brett Jackson "overhauled his swing" this fall. Totally diff..hoping results are too

 

That sounds like desperation.

 

Is that a bad thing? He had to make pretty major changes to be anything more useful than a decent 4th OF. I'm comfortable with the risk of screwing that up.

 

It's not a bad thing that he's trying. It's a bad thing that it got to this point. Our sure fire, high-floor, AAA CFer turned is turning to hail mary shots to save his career less than a year later.

 

It'd be really nice if it works, because our medium-term OF picture is hideous.

 

Who said he was high floor? His contact issues always marked him as a potential bust candidate, at least in my book.

 

It wasn't just you.

[neely crenshaw]

Didn't some guy named Rizzo have an awful debut in the bigs and hit at about a .141 clip, with .242 slugging with a K per game, then went back to work and fixed the holes in swing? was that desperation?

Jackson has had decent success at every level despite his K's(.282 avg with an above 800 ops. Sometimes it's very difficult to convince a guy who is having success to change his swing. Perhaps now (like rizzo) that he sees the definite need for a change, he will get to it. It's not an easy thing to do, but This system went to work on Rizzo, and he is being counted on as a huge part of our future, is it crazy to hope that jackson can be that solid prospect that will hit .275 and make a run at a solid ops? He isn't going to be mickey mantle but can't he be a younger Dejesus with better slugging?

[jersey cubs fan]

Didn't some guy named Rizzo have an awful debut in the bigs and hit at about a .141 clip, with .242 slugging with a K per game, then went back to work and fixed the holes in swing? was that desperation?

 

The situations are not really comparable.

[mul21]

Didn't some guy named Rizzo have an awful debut in the bigs and hit at about a .141 clip, with .242 slugging with a K per game, then went back to work and fixed the holes in swing? was that desperation?

 

The situations are not really comparable.

 

How are they not?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Didn't some guy named Rizzo have an awful debut in the bigs and hit at about a .141 clip, with .242 slugging with a K per game, then went back to work and fixed the holes in swing? was that desperation?

 

The situations are not really comparable.

 

How are they not?

 

When Rizzo was in AAA, he was mashing the living hell out of everything.

 

When Jackson was in AAA, he had a flashing red light warning indication that he was having trouble with advanced pitching.

[mul21]

Didn't some guy named Rizzo have an awful debut in the bigs and hit at about a .141 clip, with .242 slugging with a K per game, then went back to work and fixed the holes in swing? was that desperation?

 

The situations are not really comparable.

 

How are they not?

 

When Rizzo was in AAA, he was mashing the living hell out of everything.

 

When Jackson was in AAA, he had a flashing red light warning indication that he was having trouble with advanced pitching.

 

So did Jackson when he made contact. You don't think an adjustment that improves his contact rate will make a difference?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So did Jackson when he made contact. You don't think an adjustment that improves his contact rate will make a difference?

 

Because hitting a professionally pitched baseball is just that easy. Anyone can do it once they make an adjustment.

[mul21]

So did Jackson when he made contact. You don't think an adjustment that improves his contact rate will make a difference?

 

Because hitting a professionally pitched baseball is just that easy. Anyone can do it once they make an adjustment.

 

Yep, exactly what I said. :roll:

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yep, exactly what I said. :roll:

 

Your passion is comforting, Jo. It's also useless.

[mul21]

Yep, exactly what I said. :roll:

 

Your passion is comforting, Jo. It's also useless.

 

As is your painting of my statement that a guy with an .800+ career MiL OPS is the same as any schmuck off the street trying to hit ML pitching.

[jersey cubs fan]

Didn't some guy named Rizzo have an awful debut in the bigs and hit at about a .141 clip, with .242 slugging with a K per game, then went back to work and fixed the holes in swing? was that desperation?

 

The situations are not really comparable.

 

How are they not?

 

How are you even asking this question?

[mul21]

Didn't some guy named Rizzo have an awful debut in the bigs and hit at about a .141 clip, with .242 slugging with a K per game, then went back to work and fixed the holes in swing? was that desperation?

 

The situations are not really comparable.

 

How are they not?

 

How are you even asking this question?

 

I was hoping for a reasonable explanation not laced with Kyle-isms. I realize the contact rates aren't all that similar, but there's a whole lot of other things that are.

[Guest]

Didn't some guy named Rizzo have an awful debut in the bigs and hit at about a .141 clip, with .242 slugging with a K per game, then went back to work and fixed the holes in swing? was that desperation?

 

The situations are not really comparable.

 

How are they not?

 

How are you even asking this question?

 

I was hoping for a reasonable explanation not laced with Kyle-isms. I realize the contact rates aren't all that similar, but there's a whole lot of other things that are.

 

The contact rates are THE thing, though.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I was hoping for a reasonable explanation not laced with Kyle-isms. I realize the contact rates aren't all that similar, but there's a whole lot of other things that are.

 

So you knew the answer.

[mul21]

 

The contact rates are THE thing, though.

 

Yeah, but Rizzo had a pretty terrible contact rate in his debut and adjustments were made to fix it. Nobody's expecting Jackson to hit like Rizzo, but if he can even get the K% down to 25%, he's much better off than he was before.

[Guest]

 

The contact rates are THE thing, though.

 

Yeah, but Rizzo had a pretty terrible contact rate in his debut and adjustments were made to fix it. Nobody's expecting Jackson to hit like Rizzo, but if he can even get the K% down to 25%, he's much better off than he was before.

 

Minor league contact rates.

[Guest]

They don't have to be 100% analogous to make for an example. Jackson doesn't have to kill the ball like Rizzo did at AAA and then with the Cubs in order to be a productive MLB CF. They both made adjustments to make more MLB contact to be more in line with their AAA performance. Rizzo's appear to have worked, time will tell if Jackson's will too or if his higher baseline/AAA K-rates mean that it won't be enough.